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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/07/dueling-military-narratives-vance-versus-walz/#comment-2755293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 01:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But here’s my question: will any of this matter? The people I know who will vote for Harris are so virulently anti-Trump that nothing about Walz (or Harris, for that matter) could dissuade them. Then again, I don’t think I know any swing voters, to whom this sort of thing might matter.

And wouldn’t a lot of people these days think that not serving in Iraq is a badge of honor?&lt;/i&gt;

neo:

I understand the anger about Walz, but I doubt this will matter much in the campaign for the reasons you list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But here’s my question: will any of this matter? The people I know who will vote for Harris are so virulently anti-Trump that nothing about Walz (or Harris, for that matter) could dissuade them. Then again, I don’t think I know any swing voters, to whom this sort of thing might matter.</p>
<p>And wouldn’t a lot of people these days think that not serving in Iraq is a badge of honor?</i></p>
<p>neo:</p>
<p>I understand the anger about Walz, but I doubt this will matter much in the campaign for the reasons you list.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 01:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Harris-Walz ticket has this constituency in its pocket.
(Tweets and screencaps omitted.)

https://notthebee.com/article/this-columbia-student-group-is-saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud
&lt;blockquote&gt;Remember when the Hamas kids took over Columbia University back in the spring?

Those were the days, right?

Well, here&#039;s one of the groups responsible for the anti-Israel takeover. Notice that it&#039;s not really about Israel anymore (never was), it&#039;s just a broad get-rid-of-Western-civilization movement.
&quot;... fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization.&quot;
&quot;Revolution must continue.&quot;
This is what our leftist youth are fighting for, people.
The reason they want to get rid of Western civilization is because they&#039;re Marxist, and Western values are standing in their way.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Harris-Walz ticket has this constituency in its pocket.<br />
(Tweets and screencaps omitted.)</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/this-columbia-student-group-is-saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/this-columbia-student-group-is-saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Remember when the Hamas kids took over Columbia University back in the spring?</p>
<p>Those were the days, right?</p>
<p>Well, here&#8217;s one of the groups responsible for the anti-Israel takeover. Notice that it&#8217;s not really about Israel anymore (never was), it&#8217;s just a broad get-rid-of-Western-civilization movement.<br />
&#8220;&#8230; fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Revolution must continue.&#8221;<br />
This is what our leftist youth are fighting for, people.<br />
The reason they want to get rid of Western civilization is because they&#8217;re Marxist, and Western values are standing in their way.</p>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 21:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well. The CPUSA has endorsed Kamala - Walz. So have the Socialist Democrat Party, and VT Senator Bernie Sanders.

At least the far Left is consistent and has no equal to the McCaniac or Romney traitors of the American Revolution and Liberty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. The CPUSA has endorsed Kamala &#8211; Walz. So have the Socialist Democrat Party, and VT Senator Bernie Sanders.</p>
<p>At least the far Left is consistent and has no equal to the McCaniac or Romney traitors of the American Revolution and Liberty.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Something I’ve noticed about many Democrat politicians over the last decade or so: more and more of them seem to be rather dim. They increasingly live and work in a very tightly controlled bubble and seem to heavily rely on staff for talking points.&lt;/i&gt;
==
Walz is the issue of state teachers&#039; colleges and all of his degrees are in some variant of &#039;education&#039;.  He spent 20 years as a high school &#039;social studies&#039; teacher, a position which does not (in the clown world of public education) require an actual subject degree in history or geography.  Keep in mind that the sort of people who devote time and money to Democratic campaigns and lefoid advocacy groups are drawn abnormally from the ranks of the education apparat and social services apparat and are commonly union members.  He&#039;s who they are and they&#039;re likely to get their back up if you point out that there are about 50 million adult Americans with a higher IQ than he has.  
==
KH passed the California bar exam, so she&#039;s likely sharper than he is at baseline.  The trouble with her we can glean is that she does not prepare and she treats her staff like manure.  
==
Over the last 50 years, the Democratic Party has nominated 13 men and three women for a spot on their national ticket. Now run down the occupations each followed before they got involved in electoral politics or in the interstices between stints in politics.  Twelve were lawyers, one was a newspaper reporter, one a schoolteacher, one in the insurance business, and one went from an engineering position in the Navy to agribusiness.  Of the lawyers, seven worked in a common-and-garden practice or government office for a short run of years; one&#039;s practice was limited to a few years in a mid-law firm between stints in public office; two had lucrative but scandal-ridden careers of some duration (one in a mid-law partnership she landed due to her husband&#039;s position, the other in a solo ambulance-chaser practice), one had an extended period of time as a prosecutor (under the protection of influential patrons), and one worked in a mid-law firm for about 15 years during which he was granted a partnership.  The two men with a business background were Jimmy Carter and Lloyd Bentsen; neither man as he was would be welcome in the Democratic Party of today.  The mid-law partner was Joseph Lieberman, whose last election to Congress was fought and won as a non-partisan candidate against the official Democratic candidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Something I’ve noticed about many Democrat politicians over the last decade or so: more and more of them seem to be rather dim. They increasingly live and work in a very tightly controlled bubble and seem to heavily rely on staff for talking points.</i><br />
==<br />
Walz is the issue of state teachers&#8217; colleges and all of his degrees are in some variant of &#8216;education&#8217;.  He spent 20 years as a high school &#8216;social studies&#8217; teacher, a position which does not (in the clown world of public education) require an actual subject degree in history or geography.  Keep in mind that the sort of people who devote time and money to Democratic campaigns and lefoid advocacy groups are drawn abnormally from the ranks of the education apparat and social services apparat and are commonly union members.  He&#8217;s who they are and they&#8217;re likely to get their back up if you point out that there are about 50 million adult Americans with a higher IQ than he has.<br />
==<br />
KH passed the California bar exam, so she&#8217;s likely sharper than he is at baseline.  The trouble with her we can glean is that she does not prepare and she treats her staff like manure.<br />
==<br />
Over the last 50 years, the Democratic Party has nominated 13 men and three women for a spot on their national ticket. Now run down the occupations each followed before they got involved in electoral politics or in the interstices between stints in politics.  Twelve were lawyers, one was a newspaper reporter, one a schoolteacher, one in the insurance business, and one went from an engineering position in the Navy to agribusiness.  Of the lawyers, seven worked in a common-and-garden practice or government office for a short run of years; one&#8217;s practice was limited to a few years in a mid-law firm between stints in public office; two had lucrative but scandal-ridden careers of some duration (one in a mid-law partnership she landed due to her husband&#8217;s position, the other in a solo ambulance-chaser practice), one had an extended period of time as a prosecutor (under the protection of influential patrons), and one worked in a mid-law firm for about 15 years during which he was granted a partnership.  The two men with a business background were Jimmy Carter and Lloyd Bentsen; neither man as he was would be welcome in the Democratic Party of today.  The mid-law partner was Joseph Lieberman, whose last election to Congress was fought and won as a non-partisan candidate against the official Democratic candidate.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 14:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[he was putting up a brave front against the invading armies of st Bernards,

Tien an men tim, lies without any reservation, hes against the Border war, he let his city burn, his daughter gave antifa, the heads up, how much &#039;time they would have to destroy&#039; he despises the First Amendment, and probably the 3rd, if he would lock you up for violating curfew, he would surely use troops to do it,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he was putting up a brave front against the invading armies of st Bernards,</p>
<p>Tien an men tim, lies without any reservation, hes against the Border war, he let his city burn, his daughter gave antifa, the heads up, how much &#8216;time they would have to destroy&#8217; he despises the First Amendment, and probably the 3rd, if he would lock you up for violating curfew, he would surely use troops to do it,</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 14:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco - He said that he carried a weapon in war. He quit his Guard unit before it was deployed to Iraq. His defenders are throwing up a smoke screen to create uncertainty about whether the unit was technically deployed before or after Walz quit. They are also arguing that he was, at one time, deployed to Italy in support of Afghanistan. Maybe that hyper-technically qualifies &quot;carrying a weapon in war&quot; in that he was carrying a weapon in while deployed (in Italy). Maybe people who are inclined to do so give him the benefit of the doubt that he misspoke on the tape.  

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wrong for Vance to use this to parry attacks from Walz, but totally agree that this shouldn&#039;t be the main narrative from Trump/Vance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco &#8211; He said that he carried a weapon in war. He quit his Guard unit before it was deployed to Iraq. His defenders are throwing up a smoke screen to create uncertainty about whether the unit was technically deployed before or after Walz quit. They are also arguing that he was, at one time, deployed to Italy in support of Afghanistan. Maybe that hyper-technically qualifies &#8220;carrying a weapon in war&#8221; in that he was carrying a weapon in while deployed (in Italy). Maybe people who are inclined to do so give him the benefit of the doubt that he misspoke on the tape.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong for Vance to use this to parry attacks from Walz, but totally agree that this shouldn&#8217;t be the main narrative from Trump/Vance.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Walz is a coward and Stolen Valor liar.&lt;/i&gt;
==
He may be a coward.  He&#039;s only a stolen valor liar if he made false claims about his service or countenanced false claims made by others.    IMO, his age and level of physical fitness in 2005 should have precluded additional service, but that&#039;s not how the National Guard rolls.  IMO, there&#039;s not much upside in hammering at this and there is an opportunity cost from not putting the spotlight on the border, the vote fraud, the trans lunacy &#038;c.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Walz is a coward and Stolen Valor liar.</i><br />
==<br />
He may be a coward.  He&#8217;s only a stolen valor liar if he made false claims about his service or countenanced false claims made by others.    IMO, his age and level of physical fitness in 2005 should have precluded additional service, but that&#8217;s not how the National Guard rolls.  IMO, there&#8217;s not much upside in hammering at this and there is an opportunity cost from not putting the spotlight on the border, the vote fraud, the trans lunacy &amp;c.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look at the barbershop reception that cnn reporter got no they arent down with
 heels up

The consequences of allowing this fraud have been rather stark a worthless dolor a depleted strategic reserve 13 dead in afghanistan a shambles in the air and on the ground]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the barbershop reception that cnn reporter got no they arent down with<br />
 heels up</p>
<p>The consequences of allowing this fraud have been rather stark a worthless dolor a depleted strategic reserve 13 dead in afghanistan a shambles in the air and on the ground</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Face it folks, The Orange Hobbit stole CC<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&#039;s checked pants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Face it folks, The Orange Hobbit stole CC™&#8217;s checked pants.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 12:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mccain sold out his fellow prisoners like day risner read the interview in counterpoint et al he walked on his wife after she stood by him to get kemper marleys associates in the bargain and we wont relate how this parallels hoe he behaved in 2008]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mccain sold out his fellow prisoners like day risner read the interview in counterpoint et al he walked on his wife after she stood by him to get kemper marleys associates in the bargain and we wont relate how this parallels hoe he behaved in 2008</p>
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