“The object of War is not to die for your Country but it make the other die for his.”

And when the line is intentionally blurred, pour encourage les autres.

it always seems these peace treaties and settlements like the truth and reconciliation committees go one way,northern ireland south africa el salvador, gerry adams mandela, ceron, to cite one example, and those who are paras or 40 commandos, or say Atacl division get the worst treatment,

“Oh, you thought we’d rend our garments and beg forgiveness? Incoming, bitc#es, cover your heads.”

We used to know Dresden is the way to win wars.

The “peace movement” that so severely de-legitimated the American participation in the 2nd Indochina war, and —on top of the de-facto Marxist-leaning university faculty-although not so unilateral, and relentlessly so as now— led to a phenomenally ignorant and demoralized cohort of company-grade officers (2LT through CPT): generally excepting the relative handful of Academy graduates.

FWIW, I was an infantry grunt up in the erstwhile Republic of Viet Nam’s Eye Corps at the height of the “American War” (April ’68 – April ’69), arriving just after the My Lai massacre: which I’m quite sure was unknown to the top leadership of the US military until a year or two after it happened, following Seymor Hersh’s blowing the whistle. Thus serving within exactly the same area of operations as Calley’s sister unit in the Americal Division. (N.B., 2LT Calley was a platoon leader, not the company commander: actually CPT Medina, who was not personally on the scene in My Lai, but assuredly no less a lightweight jerk than his subordinate officers.)

of course the tragedy in mylai ultimately redounds to the fact, that the US high command, didn’t have an objective goal or even understanding of the enemy, the same problem seems to have obtained two generations later in Afghanistan,

no moyar points out, we were on the wrong foot since the Diem coup, which came from State relying on accounts from Halberstam who relied on a Vietminh stringer, why did we miss this, in part because Ellsberg, was an unreliable narrator and that’s being charitable. he was Halberstam and Sheehan’s source so he was aces in their book,

probably the first test we didn’t what we were getting into was in the la drang valley,
which we were soldiers reminds us the French had been in a decade before,

This, of course, follows the PML anti-America line, and ignores the key fact that this was a proxy war, we were drawn into it by our feckless ally, France, on the wrong side**, and thus got stuck.

Despite this, we still won it in the early months of 1968, but that win was handed away — literally — by our lying shit merdia.

I believe the biggest complaint about US Foreign and Military policy in the post-WWII era is how often we come in on the wrong fucking side. Sometimes, it’s not obvious beforehand, but usually, it is something one can guess as likely to be the case even at the onset of the issue.

For a pure FP example, just look at 2009 in the Honduras:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
A congenital idiot could see that we should have supported the “coup” and not Zelaya. But for some bizarro reason — either money or politics — we supported Zelaya, who was so obviously not right it’s pitiful. He blatantly violated his country’s own existing laws, was taken out of power by the rightful Honduran forces acting in defense of those laws, and still we pushed for them to back down and put him back in power. SMH.

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** Ho Chi Minh was a former student in the USA, and a big fan of the US, and actually wanted to set up an American style Democracy there. But he was rebelling against the French, who called us in to help, and then almost as quickly bowed the fuck out. Instead of seeking a diplomatic solution at that point, HCM was stuck seeking Chinese and Soviet help, which made it a proxy fight rather than a soluble problem.

Of course. But this was/is never ever mentioned, because it detracts from the anti-America purpose of our PostModern Liberal Media… and it was the first time that the PMLs were largely in charge of that social foundation.

By this time, the PMLs had thoroughly infested Education, Journalism, and the Courts, and were well on their way to infesting the various national/state/local legislatures. They all began to ramp up thoroughly as the 60s wore on into the 1970s.

As I have asserted so many times before:
PostModern Liberalism is a Social Cancer. Literally, not figuratively.

}}} Fighting guerilla wars and following the Genevea Conventions is much harder. That’s what Israel is up against. That’s what we were up against in Afghanistan and Iraq. No easy answers.

Except the real problem for Israel as well as Iraq/Afghanistan, and, indeed, Vietnam, wasn’t the issue of guerilla warfighting. It is the lying shit merdia doing everything possible to undermine the ones trying to “fight fair”.

Social.
Cancer.

The Jane Fonda piece:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070217043630/http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/13/234848.shtml

Peter Maass piece:
https://web.archive.org/web/20081013083017/http://www.petermaass.com/core.cfm?p=1&mag=91&magtype=1

Police & Security News:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060208160227/https://policeandsecuritynews.com/marapr02/bulletprofmind.htm

Offshoot — regarding military training:

“The mind can go either direction under stress – toward the positive or toward the negative: on or off. Think of it as a spectrum whose extremes are unconsciousness at the negative end and hyperconsciousness at the positive end. The way the mind will lean under stress is strongly influenced by training.”
– Bene Gesserit Axiom, ‘Dune’ –

In Korea, in similar circumstances, a US unit came across a Nork supply site and shot all the mules.

I guess you could say the “blood was up” or some such having to do with maximum adrenalin, hate, fear, and had gotten oneself up for killing.

At My Lai, it was deliberate, as far as we know. At least by some hours, although the cumulative effect of the past couple of months was certainly taking guys beyond themselves. Might be down some from the actual fighting but not gone away. See PTSD, it never does, entirely. How much does it abate in two days, for example?