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		By: Mike+K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike+K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;My friend, a female POC, has remarked that black women don’t like black women who marry white men.

Similarly, black women don’t like black men who marry white women.&lt;/i&gt;

I clipped these from two comments above.  The OJ trial was moved from Santa Monica to take advantage of this sentiment.

When I still lived in CA I had a black dental hygienist who was one of &lt;a href=&quot;https://jewishatlanta.org/how-federation-supports-ethiopian-jews/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt; the black Jews rescued from Ethiopia &lt;/a&gt;by the Israelis.  She is married to a white Jewish man and they visit Israel every year to see her family.  She and I had a few conversations about race.  She grew up in Israel and came over here to college.  I have found that modern black immigrants, even those descended from slaves in the Caribbean,  have no hangups about race like American blacks have.

She has told me of getting &quot;hate stares&quot; from black women when she is out with her husband.  They live in Irvine, a wealthy suburb so the hate starers are probably just as prosperous.

Maybe emphasizing her Indian heritage would help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My friend, a female POC, has remarked that black women don’t like black women who marry white men.</p>
<p>Similarly, black women don’t like black men who marry white women.</i></p>
<p>I clipped these from two comments above.  The OJ trial was moved from Santa Monica to take advantage of this sentiment.</p>
<p>When I still lived in CA I had a black dental hygienist who was one of <a href="https://jewishatlanta.org/how-federation-supports-ethiopian-jews/" rel="nofollow ugc"> the black Jews rescued from Ethiopia </a>by the Israelis.  She is married to a white Jewish man and they visit Israel every year to see her family.  She and I had a few conversations about race.  She grew up in Israel and came over here to college.  I have found that modern black immigrants, even those descended from slaves in the Caribbean,  have no hangups about race like American blacks have.</p>
<p>She has told me of getting &#8220;hate stares&#8221; from black women when she is out with her husband.  They live in Irvine, a wealthy suburb so the hate starers are probably just as prosperous.</p>
<p>Maybe emphasizing her Indian heritage would help.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Nate Silver left 538 he took his models with him. What Disney is doing with 538 is anybody&#039;s guess, but they&#039;re not doing what Silver did, and whatever credibility 538 had was due to Silver.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Nate Silver left 538 he took his models with him. What Disney is doing with 538 is anybody&#8217;s guess, but they&#8217;re not doing what Silver did, and whatever credibility 538 had was due to Silver.</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just as we can exactly verify what&#039;s in our financial accounts, so we should be able to verify something much simpler: who and what we voted for. Until that simple technology is implemented, Democrats will have both motive and opportunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as we can exactly verify what&#8217;s in our financial accounts, so we should be able to verify something much simpler: who and what we voted for. Until that simple technology is implemented, Democrats will have both motive and opportunity.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[we have seen what they did in 2020, the way they bankrupted or tried to jail anyone who challenge their bogus scheme, too many to name, what they did to 400 men and women, who peacefully protested, what they did to boyland and babbitt, and tried to do at least two others, while others fell for bald faced lies,

and omg 538 is not a thing, nothing legitimate anyways,

but &#039;once more in to the breach&#039; and &#039;cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have seen what they did in 2020, the way they bankrupted or tried to jail anyone who challenge their bogus scheme, too many to name, what they did to 400 men and women, who peacefully protested, what they did to boyland and babbitt, and tried to do at least two others, while others fell for bald faced lies,</p>
<p>and omg 538 is not a thing, nothing legitimate anyways,</p>
<p>but &#8216;once more in to the breach&#8217; and &#8216;cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war&#8217;</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[openlat - Has it occurred to you that you are the same thing you accuse Democrats of being? By your thinking, Trump cannot lose. He can only be cheated.  

Is Democrat cheating a thing?  You bet.  But Trump remains who Trump has always been - a loose cannon whose approval rating is about 10 points underwater: 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

Trump can win.  I hope Trump will win. But if he loses, it will not be proof of fraud. It will, more than likely, mean that he alienated too many voters and that Republicans were fools to nominate him again after he had done so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>openlat &#8211; Has it occurred to you that you are the same thing you accuse Democrats of being? By your thinking, Trump cannot lose. He can only be cheated.  </p>
<p>Is Democrat cheating a thing?  You bet.  But Trump remains who Trump has always been &#8211; a loose cannon whose approval rating is about 10 points underwater: </p>
<p><a href="https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/</a></p>
<p>Trump can win.  I hope Trump will win. But if he loses, it will not be proof of fraud. It will, more than likely, mean that he alienated too many voters and that Republicans were fools to nominate him again after he had done so.</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not just anyone qualifies to be a Democrat these days. There&#039;s a standard of irrational senselessness they have to meet.

&quot;The candidate we voted for had to drop out to save democracy.&quot;

Not everyone can unthinkingly accept their &quot;save democracy&quot; contradictions. If you can, you might make the cut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just anyone qualifies to be a Democrat these days. There&#8217;s a standard of irrational senselessness they have to meet.</p>
<p>&#8220;The candidate we voted for had to drop out to save democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not everyone can unthinkingly accept their &#8220;save democracy&#8221; contradictions. If you can, you might make the cut.</p>
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		By: openlat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[openlat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grandpagrumble on July 22, 2024 at 5:41 pm said:
Somebody anybody? Please tell me where Niketas above is wrong . The Dems will be sure to take WI, PA, and MI to get their 270. As he notes they have only strengthened their mail in ballot harvesting, etal. In those blue run states. Depressing but sadly true.
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It is true.  Trump never had a chance.  The only reason they are trying to take him out of the race is that it would have been a lot more convenient to win an election against Haley where the winner would be announced on election night, that would have required minimal to no &quot;fortification&quot;, and that wouldn&#039;t provide fodder to &quot;election deniers&quot;.

The Democrats cannot lose.  In Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee they will count as many bags of mail-in ballots filled out for the Democrat candidate for as long as it takes to overcome any initial deficit.  And there will be no observers present with any power to stop them, lest cries of &quot;racism&quot; ring out.  And when they declare the winner a week later, many here will be saying, &quot;So close! If we only vote a little harder next time we can overcome that final  spread of a couple thousand votes&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandpagrumble on July 22, 2024 at 5:41 pm said:<br />
Somebody anybody? Please tell me where Niketas above is wrong . The Dems will be sure to take WI, PA, and MI to get their 270. As he notes they have only strengthened their mail in ballot harvesting, etal. In those blue run states. Depressing but sadly true.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>It is true.  Trump never had a chance.  The only reason they are trying to take him out of the race is that it would have been a lot more convenient to win an election against Haley where the winner would be announced on election night, that would have required minimal to no &#8220;fortification&#8221;, and that wouldn&#8217;t provide fodder to &#8220;election deniers&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Democrats cannot lose.  In Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee they will count as many bags of mail-in ballots filled out for the Democrat candidate for as long as it takes to overcome any initial deficit.  And there will be no observers present with any power to stop them, lest cries of &#8220;racism&#8221; ring out.  And when they declare the winner a week later, many here will be saying, &#8220;So close! If we only vote a little harder next time we can overcome that final  spread of a couple thousand votes&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Eeyore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eeyore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan on July 23, 2024 at 3:29 am said:
@ Karmi &#062; “Oh, that above linked poll also showed a Harris/Shapiro ticket beating Trump by 2”

https://notthebee.com/article/cnns-john-king-worries-about-kamala-choosing-josh-shapiro-as-a-running-mate-because-his-jewish-faith-is-a-risk

Because of the pro-Hamas factions.
But — (per the Tweet at NTB)

Wuhan Blitz Primary Swan
@TheWuhanClan
Wait until CNN finds out Kamala Harris is married to a Jewish guy
________
I&#039;ve seen that; I don&#039;t buy it. While the sort of anti-Semitism we&#039;ve seen on campuses is real, I&#039;ve yet to see its supposed electoral power, except maybe in limited locations. Isn&#039;t Adam Schiff Jewish? Doesn&#039;t seem to be hurting him in the bluest of states. Bernie remains a big deal within the Democrat Party. So does Schumer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan on July 23, 2024 at 3:29 am said:<br />
@ Karmi &gt; “Oh, that above linked poll also showed a Harris/Shapiro ticket beating Trump by 2”</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/cnns-john-king-worries-about-kamala-choosing-josh-shapiro-as-a-running-mate-because-his-jewish-faith-is-a-risk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/cnns-john-king-worries-about-kamala-choosing-josh-shapiro-as-a-running-mate-because-his-jewish-faith-is-a-risk</a></p>
<p>Because of the pro-Hamas factions.<br />
But — (per the Tweet at NTB)</p>
<p>Wuhan Blitz Primary Swan<br />
@TheWuhanClan<br />
Wait until CNN finds out Kamala Harris is married to a Jewish guy<br />
________<br />
I&#8217;ve seen that; I don&#8217;t buy it. While the sort of anti-Semitism we&#8217;ve seen on campuses is real, I&#8217;ve yet to see its supposed electoral power, except maybe in limited locations. Isn&#8217;t Adam Schiff Jewish? Doesn&#8217;t seem to be hurting him in the bluest of states. Bernie remains a big deal within the Democrat Party. So does Schumer.</p>
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		By: Eeyore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eeyore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What does democracy have to do with how we nominate or elect Presidents? I&#039;m not referring to the republic/democracy distinction of the founders, nor to the non-democratic elements in the Constitution. I mean those elements which purport to be democratic, but which are, at best, &quot;managed&quot;. (Like everything else in our system today.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does democracy have to do with how we nominate or elect Presidents? I&#8217;m not referring to the republic/democracy distinction of the founders, nor to the non-democratic elements in the Constitution. I mean those elements which purport to be democratic, but which are, at best, &#8220;managed&#8221;. (Like everything else in our system today.)</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 12:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo - A follow up to my prior point - &quot;democracy&quot; by public opinion polls?  Don&#039;t give them any ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8211; A follow up to my prior point &#8211; &#8220;democracy&#8221; by public opinion polls?  Don&#8217;t give them any ideas.</p>
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