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		By: Avi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no other reason that the Regime inadequately supplied Trump with secret service or completely denied RFK jr other then they wanted to be rid of those meddlesome competitors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no other reason that the Regime inadequately supplied Trump with secret service or completely denied RFK jr other then they wanted to be rid of those meddlesome competitors.</p>
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		By: Leland		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/07/16/cheatle-needs-to-go/#comment-2750839</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Setting aside Kate&#039;s excellent point about Afghanistan; why should Cheatle remain in her position?
The last time the USSS failed anything like this was 4 decades ago, and that was the wrong guy at the right place at the right time.  The last time someone with forethought and planning succeeded was 6 decades ago.  That&#039;s how few times the USSS utterly fail to do the job of protecting VIPs.  People should lose their job for this, and she should at least make her resignation available.  The only valid argument would be to oversee the investigation then resign, and frankly, she shouldn&#039;t be in the position to do that job either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting aside Kate&#8217;s excellent point about Afghanistan; why should Cheatle remain in her position?<br />
The last time the USSS failed anything like this was 4 decades ago, and that was the wrong guy at the right place at the right time.  The last time someone with forethought and planning succeeded was 6 decades ago.  That&#8217;s how few times the USSS utterly fail to do the job of protecting VIPs.  People should lose their job for this, and she should at least make her resignation available.  The only valid argument would be to oversee the investigation then resign, and frankly, she shouldn&#8217;t be in the position to do that job either.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve forgotten where I read this, but I thought it was a pretty good joke(?):

&quot;The Secret Service has failed, but we don&#039;t yet know whether they failed to protect Trump, or failed to kill him.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve forgotten where I read this, but I thought it was a pretty good joke(?):</p>
<p>&#8220;The Secret Service has failed, but we don&#8217;t yet know whether they failed to protect Trump, or failed to kill him.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/07/16/cheatle-needs-to-go/#comment-2750831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem here is that virtually every part of our government has been subverted/taken over by leftists, ideology, ambition, and careerism, same with our educational institutions and the Academy, the people and organizations which together make up the MSM have--time and time again--proven that they are nothing but liars and propagandists, and the COVID mess has very conclusively demonstrated that we cannot even trust our supposedly &quot;objective,&quot; medical/scientific &quot;experts&quot;--virtually everyone and every organization  has been parasitized by the Left and and corrupted.  

Somewhere, Diogenes is wandering around, eternally, with his lamp, trying to find an honest man. 

So, when someone from one of these organizations tells us that they&#039;ve examined an issue, and are telling us the objective and complete truth of of the matter, you&#039;d have to be a very unwary fool to give what they say much credence. 

Whatever the explanation emanating out of this leftist monolith, it cannot be trusted to be the truth, or, perhaps, anywhere even close to the truth. 

If they tell you it&#039;s &quot;X&quot; it&#039;s very probably actually &quot;Y,&quot; if they tell you someone or some organization is thinking about or is doing something nefarious--its all projection--and it is these Leftists and their organizations which are thinking about or doing something nefarious.  

So--as with many other such incidents over the last few decades, if not going back many decades earlier--I doubt if we will ever have any real certainty that we have found out the actual truth about this attempted assassination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is that virtually every part of our government has been subverted/taken over by leftists, ideology, ambition, and careerism, same with our educational institutions and the Academy, the people and organizations which together make up the MSM have&#8211;time and time again&#8211;proven that they are nothing but liars and propagandists, and the COVID mess has very conclusively demonstrated that we cannot even trust our supposedly &#8220;objective,&#8221; medical/scientific &#8220;experts&#8221;&#8211;virtually everyone and every organization  has been parasitized by the Left and and corrupted.  </p>
<p>Somewhere, Diogenes is wandering around, eternally, with his lamp, trying to find an honest man. </p>
<p>So, when someone from one of these organizations tells us that they&#8217;ve examined an issue, and are telling us the objective and complete truth of of the matter, you&#8217;d have to be a very unwary fool to give what they say much credence. </p>
<p>Whatever the explanation emanating out of this leftist monolith, it cannot be trusted to be the truth, or, perhaps, anywhere even close to the truth. </p>
<p>If they tell you it&#8217;s &#8220;X&#8221; it&#8217;s very probably actually &#8220;Y,&#8221; if they tell you someone or some organization is thinking about or is doing something nefarious&#8211;its all projection&#8211;and it is these Leftists and their organizations which are thinking about or doing something nefarious.  </p>
<p>So&#8211;as with many other such incidents over the last few decades, if not going back many decades earlier&#8211;I doubt if we will ever have any real certainty that we have found out the actual truth about this attempted assassination.</p>
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		By: Rick Gutleber		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/07/16/cheatle-needs-to-go/#comment-2750813</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are calls by Neo and others to see where the evidence leads.  The problem is that we can&#039;t trust any of the evidence.  When we have Cheatle&#039;s excuse for not securing the roof be basically, &quot;I&#039;m now telling such a gargantuan and absurd lie so that you realize I&#039;m lying, and I know you realize I&#039;m lying, and I don&#039;t care, and I know you know I don&#039;t care.&quot;

The FBI has jurisdiction to investigate this matter?  We have more of a chance of getting real information from 4Chan than from the government and the press.  We are living through the Era of Lies and Disinformation. 

We will never know what really happened.  People are still arguing about JFK&#039;s assassination over 60 years later. 

On top of all the other conveniences for people who would want Trump gone is the fact that he wasn&#039;t officially on the ballot yet and had not announced his Veep.  Vance is making all the right people lose their minds, which means he&#039;s become assassination insurance overnight. 

If it had gone off as planned (by one person or many), it&#039;s quite likely some neocon warmonger like Haley could have been nominated.  And now the Biden Administration has claimed that Iran had a plot to kill Trump... a good excuse to go to war with Iran, get everyone to rally &#039;round the flag had they been able to pin the assassination on them.  At that point, it&#039;s immaterial who&#039;s President if Nikki Haley were the Republican nominee. 

Again, all idle speculation, but there has been an absolute breakdown in how things are supposed to work.  The US Secret Service failed as badly as it&#039;s possible for them to fail.  There is literally no worse way for them to fail.   If nothing else, it&#039;s a campaign slogan... &quot;Biden runs the country as well as he runs the Secret Service.&quot;

Meanwhile, Trump, who seems to have survived by the grace of God and nothing less is hitting it out of the park over and over since Saturday.  His behavior at the scene of the shooting, picking Vance, claiming to rewrite his speech (let&#039;s see how that goes), and leaking a phone call (with plausible deniability) that he&#039;s reaching out to RFK, Jr. and supporting his causes.  He&#039;s doing everything right for a change.  

He&#039;s a smart guy who made a lot of mistakes the first time around and I have a feeling that this presages the fact that he&#039;s learned the lessons he needs to learn.  

His second term will be transformative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are calls by Neo and others to see where the evidence leads.  The problem is that we can&#8217;t trust any of the evidence.  When we have Cheatle&#8217;s excuse for not securing the roof be basically, &#8220;I&#8217;m now telling such a gargantuan and absurd lie so that you realize I&#8217;m lying, and I know you realize I&#8217;m lying, and I don&#8217;t care, and I know you know I don&#8217;t care.&#8221;</p>
<p>The FBI has jurisdiction to investigate this matter?  We have more of a chance of getting real information from 4Chan than from the government and the press.  We are living through the Era of Lies and Disinformation. </p>
<p>We will never know what really happened.  People are still arguing about JFK&#8217;s assassination over 60 years later. </p>
<p>On top of all the other conveniences for people who would want Trump gone is the fact that he wasn&#8217;t officially on the ballot yet and had not announced his Veep.  Vance is making all the right people lose their minds, which means he&#8217;s become assassination insurance overnight. </p>
<p>If it had gone off as planned (by one person or many), it&#8217;s quite likely some neocon warmonger like Haley could have been nominated.  And now the Biden Administration has claimed that Iran had a plot to kill Trump&#8230; a good excuse to go to war with Iran, get everyone to rally &#8217;round the flag had they been able to pin the assassination on them.  At that point, it&#8217;s immaterial who&#8217;s President if Nikki Haley were the Republican nominee. </p>
<p>Again, all idle speculation, but there has been an absolute breakdown in how things are supposed to work.  The US Secret Service failed as badly as it&#8217;s possible for them to fail.  There is literally no worse way for them to fail.   If nothing else, it&#8217;s a campaign slogan&#8230; &#8220;Biden runs the country as well as he runs the Secret Service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Trump, who seems to have survived by the grace of God and nothing less is hitting it out of the park over and over since Saturday.  His behavior at the scene of the shooting, picking Vance, claiming to rewrite his speech (let&#8217;s see how that goes), and leaking a phone call (with plausible deniability) that he&#8217;s reaching out to RFK, Jr. and supporting his causes.  He&#8217;s doing everything right for a change.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a smart guy who made a lot of mistakes the first time around and I have a feeling that this presages the fact that he&#8217;s learned the lessons he needs to learn.  </p>
<p>His second term will be transformative.</p>
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		By: Bruce+Hayden.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/07/16/cheatle-needs-to-go/#comment-2750812</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce+Hayden.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“I typically never assume malice when incompetence is a sufficient explanation. But man, the incompetence is staggering.”

Going off a bit to the side. The idea of a highly skilled professional bureaucracy replacing political cronies to run the government was a core belief brought to us by Wilson and the early progressives, better than a century ago. I think that we are seeing with the FJB Administration the end result of this - a highly politicized often incompetent bureaucracy. A guy can keep his job there, while openly stealing luggage, by wearing a dress and makeup. Indeed, the easiest way for guys to cover for their incompetence is just that - wearing dresses. Or being Black. Etc. 

The intersection that intruded into my thoughts just now is the recent demise of Chevron Deference. It was built on the assumption of agency expertise. But how can it be maintained, when the bureaucrats in the agency are both highly political and incompetent? No wonder the Bump Stock ban fell, when it was implemented in response to orders by President FJB. It wasn’t based on agency expertise, but political pandering, and, thus, was in the prevue of the Legislative, not Executive, branch. 

My point here is that the FJB Administration may have ushered in the beginning of the end of the Progressive Era, by their gross incompetence, while significantly politicizing the entire system. Agency after agency is shown to be ever more incompetent as their top management has become ever more politicized and corrupt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I typically never assume malice when incompetence is a sufficient explanation. But man, the incompetence is staggering.”</p>
<p>Going off a bit to the side. The idea of a highly skilled professional bureaucracy replacing political cronies to run the government was a core belief brought to us by Wilson and the early progressives, better than a century ago. I think that we are seeing with the FJB Administration the end result of this &#8211; a highly politicized often incompetent bureaucracy. A guy can keep his job there, while openly stealing luggage, by wearing a dress and makeup. Indeed, the easiest way for guys to cover for their incompetence is just that &#8211; wearing dresses. Or being Black. Etc. </p>
<p>The intersection that intruded into my thoughts just now is the recent demise of Chevron Deference. It was built on the assumption of agency expertise. But how can it be maintained, when the bureaucrats in the agency are both highly political and incompetent? No wonder the Bump Stock ban fell, when it was implemented in response to orders by President FJB. It wasn’t based on agency expertise, but political pandering, and, thus, was in the prevue of the Legislative, not Executive, branch. </p>
<p>My point here is that the FJB Administration may have ushered in the beginning of the end of the Progressive Era, by their gross incompetence, while significantly politicizing the entire system. Agency after agency is shown to be ever more incompetent as their top management has become ever more politicized and corrupt.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/07/16/cheatle-needs-to-go/#comment-2750800</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Ann Althouse (althouse.blogspot.com, posted7/17/24 @ 6:48 am):

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;I&#039;m not one for jumping into conspiracy theories, but here, the idea that it happened through multiple levels of Secret Service failures feels more like a conspiracy theory. You have to strain and get creative to explain it. If you begin in the Jamie position and desperately hope there was no intent to allow a killer access, you have to struggle to explain how that could be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So Althouse sets the stage for the conclusion that &quot;conspiracy&quot; actually satisfies Occam&#039;s Razor.

I do think, however, that Huxley above (@ 5:59 pm) has a good take on this that bears repeating; that in Vegas, the house doesn&#039;t conspire against an individual player, but it has no problem rigging the odds.  

Shall we call this a &quot;soft conspiracy&quot; of sorts that sets a stage and then just allows events to take place?   A system of referent power, which Salena Zito discusses way back in 2013:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/19/obamas_incredible_referent_power_118468.html

The problem that I, and I suspect most people, have is those doing the investigating are the same people/agencies that the conspiracy theory identifies as the perpretrators (See Eeyore @ 11:03 am, above). Whether that theory is accurate or not, it creates a fundamental Catch 22: The &quot;perpretators&quot; investigate themselves and conclude no underlying conspiracy which then becomes part of the conspiracy itself.

And, sadly, this all fits hand-in-glove with Huxley&#039;s observation about rigging the odds, Zito&#039;s discussion of referent power, and Althouse&#039;s observation above.

Hopefull the evidence about July 13th will be more conclusive than we expect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Ann Althouse (althouse.blogspot.com, posted7/17/24 @ 6:48 am):</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>I&#8217;m not one for jumping into conspiracy theories, but here, the idea that it happened through multiple levels of Secret Service failures feels more like a conspiracy theory. You have to strain and get creative to explain it. If you begin in the Jamie position and desperately hope there was no intent to allow a killer access, you have to struggle to explain how that could be.</p></blockquote>
<p>So Althouse sets the stage for the conclusion that &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; actually satisfies Occam&#8217;s Razor.</p>
<p>I do think, however, that Huxley above (@ 5:59 pm) has a good take on this that bears repeating; that in Vegas, the house doesn&#8217;t conspire against an individual player, but it has no problem rigging the odds.  </p>
<p>Shall we call this a &#8220;soft conspiracy&#8221; of sorts that sets a stage and then just allows events to take place?   A system of referent power, which Salena Zito discusses way back in 2013:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/19/obamas_incredible_referent_power_118468.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/19/obamas_incredible_referent_power_118468.html</a></p>
<p>The problem that I, and I suspect most people, have is those doing the investigating are the same people/agencies that the conspiracy theory identifies as the perpretrators (See Eeyore @ 11:03 am, above). Whether that theory is accurate or not, it creates a fundamental Catch 22: The &#8220;perpretators&#8221; investigate themselves and conclude no underlying conspiracy which then becomes part of the conspiracy itself.</p>
<p>And, sadly, this all fits hand-in-glove with Huxley&#8217;s observation about rigging the odds, Zito&#8217;s discussion of referent power, and Althouse&#8217;s observation above.</p>
<p>Hopefull the evidence about July 13th will be more conclusive than we expect.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How many things which the Left and the MSM labeled as &quot;conspiracy theories&quot; have turned out to be actual conspiracies-i.e. two or more people, in agreement and working together, behind the scenes, to achieve some nefarious end?

A lot.  

Of the many things were were told by the Democrats and the MSM that were just &quot;conspiracy theories,&quot; the example which comes to mind is the widely publicized statement by &quot;51 former high ranking intelligence officials&quot; attesting to the fact that the &quot;supposed&quot; incriminating information on Hunter Biden&#039;s laptop was just &quot;Russian disinformation.&quot; 

Turns out,  it was legit, and no such thing.

Thus, when I&#039;m told that, to imagine that the Trump assassination attempt was a setup, is to believe in a wild, and utterly far-fetched conspiracy theory, I&#039;m sorry, but I&#039;m of the &quot;if it walks like a duck&quot; school, and I see a  whole lotta ducks walking around, leaving a stinking mess of white shit all over the place, and setting up quite a racket. 

Far too many lapses and &quot;coinkydinks&quot; here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many things which the Left and the MSM labeled as &#8220;conspiracy theories&#8221; have turned out to be actual conspiracies-i.e. two or more people, in agreement and working together, behind the scenes, to achieve some nefarious end?</p>
<p>A lot.  </p>
<p>Of the many things were were told by the Democrats and the MSM that were just &#8220;conspiracy theories,&#8221; the example which comes to mind is the widely publicized statement by &#8220;51 former high ranking intelligence officials&#8221; attesting to the fact that the &#8220;supposed&#8221; incriminating information on Hunter Biden&#8217;s laptop was just &#8220;Russian disinformation.&#8221; </p>
<p>Turns out,  it was legit, and no such thing.</p>
<p>Thus, when I&#8217;m told that, to imagine that the Trump assassination attempt was a setup, is to believe in a wild, and utterly far-fetched conspiracy theory, I&#8217;m sorry, but I&#8217;m of the &#8220;if it walks like a duck&#8221; school, and I see a  whole lotta ducks walking around, leaving a stinking mess of white shit all over the place, and setting up quite a racket. </p>
<p>Far too many lapses and &#8220;coinkydinks&#8221; here.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[what is that alinsky line about a tactic being affective, until it isnt, when it fails like with fico, most recently, a possible hit on orban, a week back, attacks on populist candidates in germany uk and france,

btw, Macron seems to be in denial, about the scale of his loss of influence or so he has relayed to Attal,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is that alinsky line about a tactic being affective, until it isnt, when it fails like with fico, most recently, a possible hit on orban, a week back, attacks on populist candidates in germany uk and france,</p>
<p>btw, Macron seems to be in denial, about the scale of his loss of influence or so he has relayed to Attal,</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Might anyone know of the failed assassin&#039;s purported &quot;Radio Silence&quot; (i.e., Internet Silence)...
...and---more importantly---how far back (i.e., &quot;when&quot;) did it actually begin?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might anyone know of the failed assassin&#8217;s purported &#8220;Radio Silence&#8221; (i.e., Internet Silence)&#8230;<br />
&#8230;and&#8212;more importantly&#8212;how far back (i.e., &#8220;when&#8221;) did it actually begin?</p>
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