Comments on: Why was Trump still on the stage?

By: GRA

GRA — Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:27:57 +0000

> “Dr.” Jill

Dr., without the scare quotes, Pine.

By: GRA

GRA — Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:48:32 +0000

Whomever said “people make mistakes” most likely never had real pressure put on them to deliver. Probably a dog walker when they aren’t a mod on Reddit. They’re probably the product of “self love” and all that jazz era.

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Wed, 17 Jul 2024 01:19:02 +0000

@ mkent > “As I said above, gross incompetence is a best-case scenario.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/secret-service-director-assures-nation-she-wasnt-trying-to-get-trump-killed-shes-just-bad-at-her-job

By: Rick Gutleber

Rick Gutleber — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:30:13 +0000

Given everything that has happened, and the serious questions about the competence of the US Secret Service, including whether or not they were grossly understaffed at the event, does anyone have any faith at all that we will get any meaningfully truthful information from the FBI?

By: Anne

Anne — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 16:42:29 +0000

Hmmm . . .I don’t like coincidences. The fact that within one week both Biden and Pelosi used the word “bullseye” in their speeches to the press indicates a collaboration of some type. I wonder who they had out there in the dark world would hear that as an instruction to move forward. It is no secret that both Biden’s family and Pleosi’s are big players in the world of the East Coast mafia. It has often been suggested that it was the East Coast mafia that assassinated Kennedy. It has been proven that Kennedy’s father made deals with the Chicago mob to get him elected. These two–Biden and Pelosi– are next generation from the same crowd. The use of the same unusual word by these two at approximately the same time is not a coincidence–it is an order!

By: Jerry

Jerry — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 16:19:51 +0000

For any sort of security, law enforcement or fire/ems incident there is one Incident Commander or Officer in Charge. Given all that we’re learning about this incident, that is the first person that needs to be scrutinized thoroughly.
If the shooter truly was spotted well before the shooting started, the IC should have made the call to keep Trump off the stage, period.
There were obviously many agencies coordinating on this security task and, as always, interagency communication would have been spotty and slow. So, for instance, if the counter snipers spotted the gunman on the roof of a building being used by one of the local agencies, they would have first notified their superiors, who would have passed the report up the chain. Next the IC would have queried, via his communication officer, the local agency whether the gunman was one of theirs, who would have had to do a headcount of all his people. That would take time, though not 26 minutes. In the meantime the IC could hardly issue orders to engage the potential threat until he knew it wasn’t a friendly. But he absolutely could have told the event organizers to keep Trump off stage until the potential threat was either ruled out or neutralized. Finally, perhaps, the commander of the local agency would have sent at least one of his own to the roof and find out exactly who was up there. This would explain why a local climbed up to the roof, was confronted by a gunman pointing a rifle at him and retreated. But at that point it was already too late: Trump was on stage and, thank you interagency communication and chain of command, the counter snipers didn’t receive orders to neutralize the now confirmed threat.
Regarding their “failure” to kill the gunman before he changed from potential to confirmed, they would not have been allowed to do so without the express direct orders of the IC, and that would not be forthcoming until, once again, potential became confirmed. So, I cannot fault the counter snipers for not shooting immediately upon spotting the gunman.
And finally, these discussions are based on early, unconfirmed reports. As we all know, early reports are very often wrong. And as we also know, we will never get complete and truthful information from those investigating the incident, especially as some of them are in some way implicated. But just like we can, I believe, logically criticize the Incident Commander; we can also criticize the President for failing to relieve from duty the leadership of the secret service. They have been shown to be, not potentially, dangerous incompetents, but confirmed as such.

By: Marisa

Marisa — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 16:06:23 +0000

There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that Tommy Crook pulled it off without assistance.

While I have no proof I am firmly convinced that it was an inside job. Had the attempt succeeded it would have been perfect for TPTB. Right before the convention and before DJT named his VP pick. Nimrata “Nikki” Haley, who would be perfectly compliant to the Deep State, would get all of Trump’s delegates and become the nominee.

Of course, given the insane level of vitriolic hatred directed toward the man it was drearily predictable that there would be an attempt on his life.

By: mkent

mkent — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 16:02:25 +0000

huxley:

And you keep missing mine: If Trump is out of the picture, Biden has to run on his record and his mental state, which is a sure loser. His only chance to avoid being out of power and facing a Republican justice department is to make the election a referendum on Trump. That’s not possible with Trump out of the picture.

Since the assassination attempt failed, it’s almost certainly still not possible.

By: huxley

huxley — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:19:09 +0000

mkent:

You keep missing my primary point that assassinating Trump keeps Trump out of the White House.

Anyway. This is hypothetical. I’m still betting this is a case of lone nut meets incredible incompetence by the Secret Service.

By: Timothy Bush

Timothy Bush — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 14:30:54 +0000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o66VgnRlS0Q&t=7s