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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2024 10:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not familiar with Brooklyn and could not find the Promenade on the map from your description. Could you provide more detail, please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not familiar with Brooklyn and could not find the Promenade on the map from your description. Could you provide more detail, please?</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The odd thing is those who sacrifice the most for liberty rarely enjoy it&#039;s benefits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odd thing is those who sacrifice the most for liberty rarely enjoy it&#8217;s benefits.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Cicero

&lt;blockquote&gt; “New York is really a southern city compared to New England”, says Neo. Which I as a Southerner dispute with vigor.
NYC is as much Yankeetown as is Boston, though the former is apparently fuller of black and brown “migrants”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry Cicero, but Neo is absolutely correct here. You don&#039;t see many votes to secede and join the Confederacy (or symbolic wearing of the Confed Flag) in New England, While it has become a lot more &quot;Yankee&quot; and tied to &quot;New England&quot; in recent decades, it definitely was not always like that. It was formed at about the middle point between the South and New England by the Dutch and so absorbed a bunch of different influences from them, which is one reason why it&#039;s generally been the midpoint between them in our politics, from being &quot;Officially Patriot aligned but with heavy Royalist Sentiment&quot; in 1775-6 (to being the inverse during the British occupation), to having avowedly pro-slavery and pro-Southern political dominance in Tammany Hall (with a particular note being to Fernando Wood&#039;s abortive attempt to secede from the US in 20 or so years prior to the outbreak of the Civil War, and to Tammany&#039;s heavy ties to the &quot;Solid South&quot;.

Things really changed from what I can tell in the 1960s and especially 1970s with Tammany&#039;s downfall, the South shifting Republican, and so forth. And even then it&#039;s worth noting that NYC still has heavy ties to a lot of the major Leftist strongholds in the South like Atlanta.

The idea that it was as Yankee as Boston has more to do with Boston becoming a lot more like the NYC under the reign of Curley and his successors, as well as the political sea changes severing the South from the Dems and breaking Tammany&#039;s domestic stranglehold (albeit it looks like they were largely replaced by a different Dem political machine).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cicero</p>
<blockquote><p> “New York is really a southern city compared to New England”, says Neo. Which I as a Southerner dispute with vigor.<br />
NYC is as much Yankeetown as is Boston, though the former is apparently fuller of black and brown “migrants”. </p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry Cicero, but Neo is absolutely correct here. You don&#8217;t see many votes to secede and join the Confederacy (or symbolic wearing of the Confed Flag) in New England, While it has become a lot more &#8220;Yankee&#8221; and tied to &#8220;New England&#8221; in recent decades, it definitely was not always like that. It was formed at about the middle point between the South and New England by the Dutch and so absorbed a bunch of different influences from them, which is one reason why it&#8217;s generally been the midpoint between them in our politics, from being &#8220;Officially Patriot aligned but with heavy Royalist Sentiment&#8221; in 1775-6 (to being the inverse during the British occupation), to having avowedly pro-slavery and pro-Southern political dominance in Tammany Hall (with a particular note being to Fernando Wood&#8217;s abortive attempt to secede from the US in 20 or so years prior to the outbreak of the Civil War, and to Tammany&#8217;s heavy ties to the &#8220;Solid South&#8221;.</p>
<p>Things really changed from what I can tell in the 1960s and especially 1970s with Tammany&#8217;s downfall, the South shifting Republican, and so forth. And even then it&#8217;s worth noting that NYC still has heavy ties to a lot of the major Leftist strongholds in the South like Atlanta.</p>
<p>The idea that it was as Yankee as Boston has more to do with Boston becoming a lot more like the NYC under the reign of Curley and his successors, as well as the political sea changes severing the South from the Dems and breaking Tammany&#8217;s domestic stranglehold (albeit it looks like they were largely replaced by a different Dem political machine).</p>
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		By: JohnnyB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 18:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is easy to break things. But one should always remember Chesterson&#039;s Fence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to break things. But one should always remember Chesterson&#8217;s Fence.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found the narrator&#039;s voice to be reasonably intelligible until I tried speeding it up. It&#039;s probably just me, but that didn&#039;t work well at all. Odd.

I knew most of the story about the statue.  My first thought watching the video was: Yes, funding was a problem before the federal income tax.  That was when the federal government was fiscally a very small portion of a giant private and series of state&#039;s economies.  Now the feds eat a large piece of everything they have access to, which is almost everything.  What a mistake.

Remember Sen. Dircksen&#039;s quote? &quot;A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it begins to add up to real money.&quot;  Obama got nearly a trillion allocated for &quot;shovel ready jobs,&quot; and although they &quot;only&quot; spent a little over $0.5T, IIRC; in the wake of its fiasco, he used it as a laugh line.  Imagine that.  Complacency.

The color of clean copper is a lovely reddish yellow or gold.  So different than the oxidized color.  It must have looked really cool in those first several years.

When I was a pre-teen or teen, I walked up inside the statue, though the arm was closed off.  And along the Promenade probably around 1980, give or take a couple years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the narrator&#8217;s voice to be reasonably intelligible until I tried speeding it up. It&#8217;s probably just me, but that didn&#8217;t work well at all. Odd.</p>
<p>I knew most of the story about the statue.  My first thought watching the video was: Yes, funding was a problem before the federal income tax.  That was when the federal government was fiscally a very small portion of a giant private and series of state&#8217;s economies.  Now the feds eat a large piece of everything they have access to, which is almost everything.  What a mistake.</p>
<p>Remember Sen. Dircksen&#8217;s quote? &#8220;A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it begins to add up to real money.&#8221;  Obama got nearly a trillion allocated for &#8220;shovel ready jobs,&#8221; and although they &#8220;only&#8221; spent a little over $0.5T, IIRC; in the wake of its fiasco, he used it as a laugh line.  Imagine that.  Complacency.</p>
<p>The color of clean copper is a lovely reddish yellow or gold.  So different than the oxidized color.  It must have looked really cool in those first several years.</p>
<p>When I was a pre-teen or teen, I walked up inside the statue, though the arm was closed off.  And along the Promenade probably around 1980, give or take a couple years.</p>
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		By: BrooklynBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrooklynBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 11:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have walked along the Promenade many times and it is very uplifting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have walked along the Promenade many times and it is very uplifting.</p>
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		By: windbag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are places I never want to visit again. NYC is one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are places I never want to visit again. NYC is one.</p>
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		By: Richard F Cook		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 08:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer

That&#039;s the problem. Things that should bother people don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem. Things that should bother people don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 07:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not the Bee had a great post today. There is a beautiful picture of Lady Liberty among the other photos of America. 
https://notthebee.com/article/take-a-moment-today-to-appreciate-the-beauty-of-america-with-this-compilation-of-pictures

“We used to have sensible immigration policy, but then someone built this damn statue.”
The problem is not the statue, but the poem attached to the pedestal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

Even so, the people lauded by Lazarus are not exactly the same as the ones now being &quot;sent&quot; to us by some not-so-ancient lands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the Bee had a great post today. There is a beautiful picture of Lady Liberty among the other photos of America.<br />
<a href="https://notthebee.com/article/take-a-moment-today-to-appreciate-the-beauty-of-america-with-this-compilation-of-pictures" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/take-a-moment-today-to-appreciate-the-beauty-of-america-with-this-compilation-of-pictures</a></p>
<p>“We used to have sensible immigration policy, but then someone built this damn statue.”<br />
The problem is not the statue, but the poem attached to the pedestal.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus</a></p>
<p>Even so, the people lauded by Lazarus are not exactly the same as the ones now being &#8220;sent&#8221; to us by some not-so-ancient lands.</p>
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		By: Sharon+W		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2024 05:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We spend Independence Day with our son and his family in Huntington Beach.  If you have seen the movie Sandlot, the scene on the 4th is this city. Fireworks and flags everywhere in every neighborhood. Truly delightful. God please continue to bless America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We spend Independence Day with our son and his family in Huntington Beach.  If you have seen the movie Sandlot, the scene on the 4th is this city. Fireworks and flags everywhere in every neighborhood. Truly delightful. God please continue to bless America.</p>
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