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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/24/the-wheels-of-snopes-grind-slowly/#comment-2747125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The wheels on the Snopes go round and round...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wheels on the Snopes go round and round&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ray+SoCa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray+SoCa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turtler - my feelings exactly. It was a setup,

And then they made a martyr of that severely overweight lady that was killed.

Reminds me of how Trump supporters were handled in San Jose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turtler &#8211; my feelings exactly. It was a setup,</p>
<p>And then they made a martyr of that severely overweight lady that was killed.</p>
<p>Reminds me of how Trump supporters were handled in San Jose.</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/24/the-wheels-of-snopes-grind-slowly/#comment-2746831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there have been a hundred thousand charlottevilles, there has been a formal jew catcher like Walz&#039;s character, name escapes me but Jews are being hunted in New York, in Los Angeles, in every major city even my old hunts of sunny isles florida, occasionally even doug emhoff awkwardly notices this, as he did in a lead in to kasie hunt&#039;s little rant, with karoline leavitt, where she dismissed the plight of jews everywhere, there is a certain irony, in how the significant other has been fanning the 
waves of Jew hatred in a cynical way, somewhat similar to the way George Wallace,
a conventional dixiecrat tried to outseg sparkman and ironically ventured into a broader populist critique, to ethnics in the North East and MidWest

the management of CNN, has stopped making any progress they had done under Zasloff,its not as bad as Mehdi Hasan at MSNBC or Ali Velshi well you mileage may vary on that score,

so one wannabe antifa, got caught in the mousetrap, Heather, who the made into the next coming of Rosa Luxemberg, seriously,but the peril to jews seems everywhere from Sydney to Machkala, to cite a recent example,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there have been a hundred thousand charlottevilles, there has been a formal jew catcher like Walz&#8217;s character, name escapes me but Jews are being hunted in New York, in Los Angeles, in every major city even my old hunts of sunny isles florida, occasionally even doug emhoff awkwardly notices this, as he did in a lead in to kasie hunt&#8217;s little rant, with karoline leavitt, where she dismissed the plight of jews everywhere, there is a certain irony, in how the significant other has been fanning the<br />
waves of Jew hatred in a cynical way, somewhat similar to the way George Wallace,<br />
a conventional dixiecrat tried to outseg sparkman and ironically ventured into a broader populist critique, to ethnics in the North East and MidWest</p>
<p>the management of CNN, has stopped making any progress they had done under Zasloff,its not as bad as Mehdi Hasan at MSNBC or Ali Velshi well you mileage may vary on that score,</p>
<p>so one wannabe antifa, got caught in the mousetrap, Heather, who the made into the next coming of Rosa Luxemberg, seriously,but the peril to jews seems everywhere from Sydney to Machkala, to cite a recent example,</p>
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		By: Jimmy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The trouble with the popularity of that line is that it is true. If you actually do believe it, you’re not lying.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve always interpreted that line as &quot;It&#039;s not a lie if you &#039;believe&#039; it.&quot; Meaning that you don&#039;t really believe it, but if you&#039;re a pathological liar you can adopt the mindset of &quot;believing&quot; it and convince others that you do.

I suspect Biden (at least back when he was more sentient) knew damn well Trump didn&#039;t say that the white supremacists were &quot;fine people,&quot; but could get away with the lie by &quot;believing it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The trouble with the popularity of that line is that it is true. If you actually do believe it, you’re not lying.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always interpreted that line as &#8220;It&#8217;s not a lie if you &#8216;believe&#8217; it.&#8221; Meaning that you don&#8217;t really believe it, but if you&#8217;re a pathological liar you can adopt the mindset of &#8220;believing&#8221; it and convince others that you do.</p>
<p>I suspect Biden (at least back when he was more sentient) knew damn well Trump didn&#8217;t say that the white supremacists were &#8220;fine people,&#8221; but could get away with the lie by &#8220;believing it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turtler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And already the mud machine trundles on. Got into a bit of family fighting over Trump saying at a speech about the cultural and religious decimation (such as renaming plans for George Washington High School) that he (Trump) &quot;Thought&quot; Washington didn&#039;t own slaves. Stupid and unforced error, and now being trumpeted from some quarters. Probably little effect but does not help him.

Charlottesville still disgusts me on multiple levels. I despise the &quot;Unite the Right&quot; goonsquad of transatlantic actual Fascists, and whatever Klantards were showing up, but if we were honest (and almost no coverage of Charlottesville was honest) they were not the main problem. Hell, not even the AntifA domestic terrorists and those influenced by them into mob violence.

There were indeed &quot;Fine People&quot; on both sides among the non-totalitarian non-racist crazies both protesting the removal and protesting those protesting the removal. Ironically as a died in the wool anti-confederate Yankee I sympathize more with removing the statute to some place for historical remembrance rather than destroying it. 

The REAL Problem were the local authorities, who betrayed the protestors by removing police protection and herding them through the counterprotestors, including AntifA. Who unsurprisingly attacked them. Without this, the Charlottesville drama would have been a goddamn flash in a pan, or at most a footnote on campaign rhetoric without violence as both sides squared off. But it wasn&#039;t. The blood and turmoil is on their hands. It was also a warning about how nakedly political and unjust prosecution and the application of &quot;Justice&quot; would be.

Which brings us to what happens. James Fields was a piece of work, by all accounts (though granted, how many accounts have you heard? and where are they from?) A literal, clinically retarded Neo-Nazi who drove through a street to try and get away, killing someone. And for this he was railroaded into a First Degree Murder conviction. Those who know me should know well that I despise Nazis and Neo-Nazis, and spend much of my time killing their digital ghosts or humiliating their modern imitators. And Fields was far from a man I&#039;d befriend, even if we do have some shared cognitive issues.

But that&#039;s the thing. He was in reasonable fear for his life given the violence at the  rally. We have confessions from an AntifA Protestor (really more of gloating) about how he brandished a rifle and pointed it at the head of a driver to try and get him to go, with little provocation. Oh, but the Fact Checkers come out and say that Fields couldn&#039;t have been the one the rifle was pointed at! AS IF THAT MAKES IT ALL BETTER!

Fields may have been scum, but the point of the justice system is that even scum gets a fair shake and deserves to have justice. And had they hit him with a manslaughter charge or maybe even murder in the third degree, I might have not batted an eye. But they didn&#039;t, and I felt even then it boded poorly. I could already see the people lining up to go on about how &quot;He&#039;s a Neo-Nazi, are you defending them?&quot; As if that makes the injustice proper. And I figured that it would come back.

The horrible reality is that in some levels we are all James Fields. We are all trapped by the police and the AntifA in Charlottesville, a conspiracy between corrupt and politicized local administration and the street level militants. And that&#039;s a problem without what I view as a good answer. Trump at least is somewhat respectable and has people who will defend him because they know he is not a racist, fascist, terrorist, etc. But he&#039;s a high value, high visibility target that attracts attention, while people like Chauvin and Fields languish.

Edit: I also realized it boded poorly because it gave legal sanction to AntifA mobs blocking the traffic with impunity and endangering those in cars, threatening them with violence if they stayed but threatening them with violence or legal persecution if they fled. Fields was a wedge case I feel in that, and we are rather lucky that they have had limited success capitalizing on that in other cases of blocking traffic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And already the mud machine trundles on. Got into a bit of family fighting over Trump saying at a speech about the cultural and religious decimation (such as renaming plans for George Washington High School) that he (Trump) &#8220;Thought&#8221; Washington didn&#8217;t own slaves. Stupid and unforced error, and now being trumpeted from some quarters. Probably little effect but does not help him.</p>
<p>Charlottesville still disgusts me on multiple levels. I despise the &#8220;Unite the Right&#8221; goonsquad of transatlantic actual Fascists, and whatever Klantards were showing up, but if we were honest (and almost no coverage of Charlottesville was honest) they were not the main problem. Hell, not even the AntifA domestic terrorists and those influenced by them into mob violence.</p>
<p>There were indeed &#8220;Fine People&#8221; on both sides among the non-totalitarian non-racist crazies both protesting the removal and protesting those protesting the removal. Ironically as a died in the wool anti-confederate Yankee I sympathize more with removing the statute to some place for historical remembrance rather than destroying it. </p>
<p>The REAL Problem were the local authorities, who betrayed the protestors by removing police protection and herding them through the counterprotestors, including AntifA. Who unsurprisingly attacked them. Without this, the Charlottesville drama would have been a goddamn flash in a pan, or at most a footnote on campaign rhetoric without violence as both sides squared off. But it wasn&#8217;t. The blood and turmoil is on their hands. It was also a warning about how nakedly political and unjust prosecution and the application of &#8220;Justice&#8221; would be.</p>
<p>Which brings us to what happens. James Fields was a piece of work, by all accounts (though granted, how many accounts have you heard? and where are they from?) A literal, clinically retarded Neo-Nazi who drove through a street to try and get away, killing someone. And for this he was railroaded into a First Degree Murder conviction. Those who know me should know well that I despise Nazis and Neo-Nazis, and spend much of my time killing their digital ghosts or humiliating their modern imitators. And Fields was far from a man I&#8217;d befriend, even if we do have some shared cognitive issues.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the thing. He was in reasonable fear for his life given the violence at the  rally. We have confessions from an AntifA Protestor (really more of gloating) about how he brandished a rifle and pointed it at the head of a driver to try and get him to go, with little provocation. Oh, but the Fact Checkers come out and say that Fields couldn&#8217;t have been the one the rifle was pointed at! AS IF THAT MAKES IT ALL BETTER!</p>
<p>Fields may have been scum, but the point of the justice system is that even scum gets a fair shake and deserves to have justice. And had they hit him with a manslaughter charge or maybe even murder in the third degree, I might have not batted an eye. But they didn&#8217;t, and I felt even then it boded poorly. I could already see the people lining up to go on about how &#8220;He&#8217;s a Neo-Nazi, are you defending them?&#8221; As if that makes the injustice proper. And I figured that it would come back.</p>
<p>The horrible reality is that in some levels we are all James Fields. We are all trapped by the police and the AntifA in Charlottesville, a conspiracy between corrupt and politicized local administration and the street level militants. And that&#8217;s a problem without what I view as a good answer. Trump at least is somewhat respectable and has people who will defend him because they know he is not a racist, fascist, terrorist, etc. But he&#8217;s a high value, high visibility target that attracts attention, while people like Chauvin and Fields languish.</p>
<p>Edit: I also realized it boded poorly because it gave legal sanction to AntifA mobs blocking the traffic with impunity and endangering those in cars, threatening them with violence if they stayed but threatening them with violence or legal persecution if they fled. Fields was a wedge case I feel in that, and we are rather lucky that they have had limited success capitalizing on that in other cases of blocking traffic.</p>
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		By: JFM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JFM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 14:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have long been disgusted by what happened in Charlottesville. The fighting between the groups was organized by someone in state government. Two of the three open sides of the park were closed off by police and State Troopers. The only way the protesters could leave was right where the counter protesters were. The one death was that of a woman who had a heart attack. The man who “drove into the crowd” never left the street and crashed his car trying to get away. 

As I saw this unfold, while Trump WAS President, I thought, “Oh this is how it’s going to be”. J6 did not surprise me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long been disgusted by what happened in Charlottesville. The fighting between the groups was organized by someone in state government. Two of the three open sides of the park were closed off by police and State Troopers. The only way the protesters could leave was right where the counter protesters were. The one death was that of a woman who had a heart attack. The man who “drove into the crowd” never left the street and crashed his car trying to get away. </p>
<p>As I saw this unfold, while Trump WAS President, I thought, “Oh this is how it’s going to be”. J6 did not surprise me.</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[its not about the issue, ostensibly its about the Revolution, so they knew Jefferson the writer of the Declaration was an obstacle, there can be no liberty only license,
similarly the kerfluffles over trayvon martin, michael (Lne), and freddy gray, they wanted a state of chaos, in Florida you can only go so far, even though Rick Scott did bend a knee, but the defense atty was quite good, they destroyed half of ferguson and a quarter of baltimore, what was left, this was largely due to the termites of the Community relations board, inside the Justice Department,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its not about the issue, ostensibly its about the Revolution, so they knew Jefferson the writer of the Declaration was an obstacle, there can be no liberty only license,<br />
similarly the kerfluffles over trayvon martin, michael (Lne), and freddy gray, they wanted a state of chaos, in Florida you can only go so far, even though Rick Scott did bend a knee, but the defense atty was quite good, they destroyed half of ferguson and a quarter of baltimore, what was left, this was largely due to the termites of the Community relations board, inside the Justice Department,</p>
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		By: Alan+Potkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan+Potkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After assuring, presumably, the non-nazi, non-raciss cultural-conservationist elements—as miniscule as they well might be— objecting to de-stateuing Robert E. Lee on horseback, that the monument would be relocated to a less in-yer-face locale outside of downtown Charlottesville, to be properly preserved there indefinitely and open to public viewing, the decision was taken by the actual Prog--Apparatchiki crazies in command to have the REL statue sent to a foundry of which the name and location was a closely guarded secret; less the Bad People would march on it with tiki torches and no doubt their illegal stash of full-auto assault weapons. Proud of their work as they were, a video was widely distributed by foundry bien pensants of General Lee&#039;s decapitated head dissolving into the boiling liquid bronze mush. Take that, you Magats! Revenge video most likely still up, try finding links with your preferred non-Google search engine or via AI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After assuring, presumably, the non-nazi, non-raciss cultural-conservationist elements—as miniscule as they well might be— objecting to de-stateuing Robert E. Lee on horseback, that the monument would be relocated to a less in-yer-face locale outside of downtown Charlottesville, to be properly preserved there indefinitely and open to public viewing, the decision was taken by the actual Prog&#8211;Apparatchiki crazies in command to have the REL statue sent to a foundry of which the name and location was a closely guarded secret; less the Bad People would march on it with tiki torches and no doubt their illegal stash of full-auto assault weapons. Proud of their work as they were, a video was widely distributed by foundry bien pensants of General Lee&#8217;s decapitated head dissolving into the boiling liquid bronze mush. Take that, you Magats! Revenge video most likely still up, try finding links with your preferred non-Google search engine or via AI.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Charlottesville was the first domino the ones on the other sides were leftist proto antifa they were given the permit by corrupt mcauliffe the security was suspended why was this to create chaos

Progs hate jefferson and liberty thats why they fanned the sally hemmings story around the time of the clinton inpeachment weve seen how they have even gone after douglas and chamberlain because they want to pour salt on the open wound of slavery

Trump pointed this out like with scalias dissent in lawrence how far they were willing to go past whatever inconvenience might be with bowers when they are indignant about the matter you know they are over the target

In a fairly short interval they destroyed a small sample of the historical recordvof this country like the whole brouhaha about confederate bases and we saw how they actually cater to slave trading empires like the ashanti the dahomey and the songhai]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlottesville was the first domino the ones on the other sides were leftist proto antifa they were given the permit by corrupt mcauliffe the security was suspended why was this to create chaos</p>
<p>Progs hate jefferson and liberty thats why they fanned the sally hemmings story around the time of the clinton inpeachment weve seen how they have even gone after douglas and chamberlain because they want to pour salt on the open wound of slavery</p>
<p>Trump pointed this out like with scalias dissent in lawrence how far they were willing to go past whatever inconvenience might be with bowers when they are indignant about the matter you know they are over the target</p>
<p>In a fairly short interval they destroyed a small sample of the historical recordvof this country like the whole brouhaha about confederate bases and we saw how they actually cater to slave trading empires like the ashanti the dahomey and the songhai</p>
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		By: jvermeer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jvermeer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 04:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So let me get this straight, if you&#039;re a white nationalist who hasn&#039;t looted a store you&#039;re not a good person but if you&#039;re a BLM activist who did loot a store you&#039;re an idealist and good person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight, if you&#8217;re a white nationalist who hasn&#8217;t looted a store you&#8217;re not a good person but if you&#8217;re a BLM activist who did loot a store you&#8217;re an idealist and good person.</p>
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