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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, not a problem. 

It’s “Biden”’s overall strategy. 

The ONLY problem is how effectively “he” can cover it up. 
(That is, until “he” doesn’t have to anymore….)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not a problem. </p>
<p>It’s “Biden”’s overall strategy. </p>
<p>The ONLY problem is how effectively “he” can cover it up.<br />
(That is, until “he” doesn’t have to anymore….)</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2024 00:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You see the problem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see the problem</p>
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		By: T J		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745786</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is Israel getting drawn into war with Hezbollah to the North, in Southern Lebanon? Andrew Fox reviews the data, but closes wondering if we are going to be drawn into a wider war between Iran and Israel? Before the election? He concludes:

“Iran is besieging Israel on all sides, and Israel is bending, not breaking. This situation is genuinely dire. It explains why Hamas will not sign a ceasefire deal, and why other non-Iran aligned Gulf states are meeting with IDF commanders. The entire region is teetering on the edge of a much more widespread conflict with Iran, and Israel is taking the brunt of it. 

“If this situation deteriorates, our allies in the Gulf may call for aid. As a second front in the war against the Iran-Russia-China-Qatar axis of malign global actors, this could not be more serious or worrying. And all the while we see subversive Iranian proxy organisations organising protests about Gaza on Western streets. Hopefully the West is not defeated domestically before the war even starts in earnest.”

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1801323700295209255?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Israel getting drawn into war with Hezbollah to the North, in Southern Lebanon? Andrew Fox reviews the data, but closes wondering if we are going to be drawn into a wider war between Iran and Israel? Before the election? He concludes:</p>
<p>“Iran is besieging Israel on all sides, and Israel is bending, not breaking. This situation is genuinely dire. It explains why Hamas will not sign a ceasefire deal, and why other non-Iran aligned Gulf states are meeting with IDF commanders. The entire region is teetering on the edge of a much more widespread conflict with Iran, and Israel is taking the brunt of it. </p>
<p>“If this situation deteriorates, our allies in the Gulf may call for aid. As a second front in the war against the Iran-Russia-China-Qatar axis of malign global actors, this could not be more serious or worrying. And all the while we see subversive Iranian proxy organisations organising protests about Gaza on Western streets. Hopefully the West is not defeated domestically before the war even starts in earnest.”</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1801323700295209255" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1801323700295209255</a>?</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well what has the mcconnell cornyn wing really stood for how did the laughably named inflation reduction act get ratified by at least a dozen gope  senators


Why does the peoples priorities end up being 3rd wheel to the chiefs priorities in stead of vice versa]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well what has the mcconnell cornyn wing really stood for how did the laughably named inflation reduction act get ratified by at least a dozen gope  senators</p>
<p>Why does the peoples priorities end up being 3rd wheel to the chiefs priorities in stead of vice versa</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A GOP &quot;leadership with strong vision that imposes discipline&quot; (hoping for what, ( loyalty to our &quot;party&quot; as the highest devotion, party above all, all power for the party(imitate the Democrats)) doesn&#039;t have anything to do with the strawman charge that the GOP only cares about pork.

There are pork-afflicted Democrats IMO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A GOP &#8220;leadership with strong vision that imposes discipline&#8221; (hoping for what, ( loyalty to our &#8220;party&#8221; as the highest devotion, party above all, all power for the party(imitate the Democrats)) doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the strawman charge that the GOP only cares about pork.</p>
<p>There are pork-afflicted Democrats IMO.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin (12:28 pm) remarks on how Fetterman&#039;s almost dying &quot;has in fact enabled him to say, unfettered, what he thinks.&quot;

Excellent choice of descriptor there, Barry Meislin!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin (12:28 pm) remarks on how Fetterman&#8217;s almost dying &#8220;has in fact enabled him to say, unfettered, what he thinks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent choice of descriptor there, Barry Meislin!</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Plaiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugh…another damn protest at my building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh…another damn protest at my building.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745749</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Oligonicella:&lt;i&gt;You need some numbers, such as % of non-Reps who are abortion “on demand”, as not all those left of center are that extreme.&lt;/i&gt;

The actual issue isn&#039;t that important, of course it could be something besides abortion. The national party split is pretty close to even and the party balance in Congress reflects this.

If some bloc representing some issue is worth 5% of the electorate, that bloc is going to get its way if it switches over. Maybe not immediately as a price of switching, but eventually.

You have to be selective about who gets power in the movement if you want the movement to stay true to its original mission, and this is why every major institution in this country has been overrun by the Left. THEY understand this. They get one in, and then another one in, and then another in, and then they&#039;re running it. Including more moderates and liberals in a conservative movement does not convert them to conservatives, it makes the movement more moderate and liberal.

A big tent is okay if you have a leadership with a strong vision that imposes discipline. The national Dems have this and the national GOP doesn&#039;t have it. If the national GOP builds that, then it could absorb more moderates and liberals and not betray conservative principles. But they&#039;d have to pull their snouts out of the trough and they won&#039;t do that unless some of them lose their office for not doing so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oligonicella:<i>You need some numbers, such as % of non-Reps who are abortion “on demand”, as not all those left of center are that extreme.</i></p>
<p>The actual issue isn&#8217;t that important, of course it could be something besides abortion. The national party split is pretty close to even and the party balance in Congress reflects this.</p>
<p>If some bloc representing some issue is worth 5% of the electorate, that bloc is going to get its way if it switches over. Maybe not immediately as a price of switching, but eventually.</p>
<p>You have to be selective about who gets power in the movement if you want the movement to stay true to its original mission, and this is why every major institution in this country has been overrun by the Left. THEY understand this. They get one in, and then another one in, and then another in, and then they&#8217;re running it. Including more moderates and liberals in a conservative movement does not convert them to conservatives, it makes the movement more moderate and liberal.</p>
<p>A big tent is okay if you have a leadership with a strong vision that imposes discipline. The national Dems have this and the national GOP doesn&#8217;t have it. If the national GOP builds that, then it could absorb more moderates and liberals and not betray conservative principles. But they&#8217;d have to pull their snouts out of the trough and they won&#8217;t do that unless some of them lose their office for not doing so.</p>
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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;.... if that happened the GOP would soon afterward be an abortion-on-demand party. &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ll have to do more than assert.  You need some numbers, such as % of non-Reps who are abortion &quot;on demand&quot;, as not all those left of center are that extreme.  Cons &quot;cautiously thinking about it&quot; (abortion) is nowhere close to &quot;on demand&quot;.  

Also, define what you mean by &quot;on demand&quot;.  Does that include up to 8.9 months pregnant?  Highly doubtful you&#039;d convince any Reps of that.  Or some of the left for that matter.  

Just as &quot;they don’t assimilate into the movement average when they join it&quot; nor do they convert those they have joined to assimilate into their view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;. if that happened the GOP would soon afterward be an abortion-on-demand party. </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to do more than assert.  You need some numbers, such as % of non-Reps who are abortion &#8220;on demand&#8221;, as not all those left of center are that extreme.  Cons &#8220;cautiously thinking about it&#8221; (abortion) is nowhere close to &#8220;on demand&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Also, define what you mean by &#8220;on demand&#8221;.  Does that include up to 8.9 months pregnant?  Highly doubtful you&#8217;d convince any Reps of that.  Or some of the left for that matter.  </p>
<p>Just as &#8220;they don’t assimilate into the movement average when they join it&#8221; nor do they convert those they have joined to assimilate into their view.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/06/18/open-thread-6-18-24/#comment-2745742</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well raggety ann rarely has any clue

So they would be voting for other reasons crime issues immigration issues tax issuesetc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well raggety ann rarely has any clue</p>
<p>So they would be voting for other reasons crime issues immigration issues tax issuesetc</p>
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