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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard+Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Needed an area study in college; did SubSaharan Africa.
About the time of the Nigerian Civil War/Biafan War.
Africa has been a bloody place forever.  While apartheid was bad, it was better than what had gone before.
There&#039;s a language group in Central Africa which originated, time out of mind, in South Africa.   They&#039;d gone north, reason unknown but likely to escape enemies.  But they prevailed.  Which will tell you what it must have been like in the areas they passed through and, being still unassimilated, how powerful and formidable they were when they arrived.
Just one example.

One the other hand, South Africa and East Africa with their altitude, have considerably less disease than the lowlands and the Congo Basin.  So European settlement worked better there.  I asked a prof what the climate in Nairobi was like (it&#039;s on the Equator).  Like Connecticut in September.  Doesn&#039;t get much better than that.

But as Robert Ardrey said in his &quot;African Genesis&quot;, &quot;the European soldier is leaving&quot;.

The call for intervention in Rwanda might be a model.  But the result would be either nothing, as in Rwanda, or a bunch of white soldiers killing innocent black Africans.

Be a good idea to stay out of that endeavor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needed an area study in college; did SubSaharan Africa.<br />
About the time of the Nigerian Civil War/Biafan War.<br />
Africa has been a bloody place forever.  While apartheid was bad, it was better than what had gone before.<br />
There&#8217;s a language group in Central Africa which originated, time out of mind, in South Africa.   They&#8217;d gone north, reason unknown but likely to escape enemies.  But they prevailed.  Which will tell you what it must have been like in the areas they passed through and, being still unassimilated, how powerful and formidable they were when they arrived.<br />
Just one example.</p>
<p>One the other hand, South Africa and East Africa with their altitude, have considerably less disease than the lowlands and the Congo Basin.  So European settlement worked better there.  I asked a prof what the climate in Nairobi was like (it&#8217;s on the Equator).  Like Connecticut in September.  Doesn&#8217;t get much better than that.</p>
<p>But as Robert Ardrey said in his &#8220;African Genesis&#8221;, &#8220;the European soldier is leaving&#8221;.</p>
<p>The call for intervention in Rwanda might be a model.  But the result would be either nothing, as in Rwanda, or a bunch of white soldiers killing innocent black Africans.</p>
<p>Be a good idea to stay out of that endeavor.</p>
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		By: Ghost Dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There will be no salvation.]]></description>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrishOtter49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 18:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or vice-versa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or vice-versa.</p>
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		By: Mike+K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike+K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[South Africa and the ANC seem to be studying Chicago as a guide to governing.]]></description>
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		By: that guy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I talk with friends about our country&#039;s future, I talk about South Africa too.

• Most Americans are well aware of how unjust South Africa was during the Apartheid era, but how many Americans have any idea what has happened since Apartheid ended. Or what has happened since Mandela died. &lt;b&gt;Long story short, the fixation on race did not end – just who decided which race-based injustices were acceptable changed. And their remedies are no better.&lt;/b&gt;
• The political party that Mandela founded – the African National Congress (ANC) – now openly redistributes &quot;wealth&quot; (e.g., government jobs, contracts &#038; nationalization/ private jobs, stock, company ownership &quot;DEI Reqs&quot;/ private property confiscation).

• The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) – and others - split from the ANC because the ANC was not radical enough. The EFF advocates the seizure of all white-owned farms and the nationalization of much of the economy: “We are not calling for the slaughtering of white people — at least for now”.

&lt;b&gt;As hard as it is for many to understand in this country, we are being conquered.  And SA - not just Europe - is an example of our future.  I am not without hope, but I am also not optimistic that we can sustain what the post-WWII generations built.&lt;/b&gt;

 ***

1) For ~4 months, I traveled overland through Botswana, Zimbabwe, and then South Africa coast-to-coast - before Mandela died.

• White groups of all ages recognized the injustice of Apartheid.  Had several memorable conversations about growing-up in SA, and SA&#039; future: &quot;At one time SA was the refuge when strife broke out elsewhere in Africa - now there is nowhere left to go, except into the ocean.&quot;
• As bad as things had become, there was still more apprehension about what would happen when Mandela died - he spoke out against retribution.

• They were right to be apprehensive - thousands of whites have been killed^^ (and the black, Indian middle class is threatened too).  And &quot;fact checks&quot; by white Western &quot;news orgs&quot; minimize/ deny what is happening because the &quot;official government records&quot; do not back it up.
• White Western society does not seem to care about what is happening to the white SAs - deserve it - and is willing to ignore or whitewash events (sound familiar).

^^ = met a white SA in Botswana who told me the story of her family refusing to turn in their guns - as required by SA government - and then having to fire a warning shot into the ceiling as a group of black SAs attempted a home invasion one night - the mob left, but her family realized they were only temporarily safe until all of the easier targets in the countryside have been robbed - the mob included at least one police officer.

• I have a big interest in Architecture - and would grab every &quot;Home Design&quot; magazine I could.  Besides the usual layout, kitchen, baths, etc. focus - every article would tout the security features.  Not just alarm systems - SECURITY features: batter proof front doors, steel shutters,  reinforced garage doors, security fences/ walls, etc.  If you had money, you built a stylish fortress - and even if you did not, you still fortified your house &#038; subscribed to a security/ alarm service.

• Once off the hiking trail/ safari, did not have many interactions with SA blacks, but felt at ease when I did - which has been my experience throughout Africa - although my sample size was small and in pubs/ restaurants with a younger clientele and disposable incomes.
• Now that Mandela has died, I would not attempt the same overland trip today.

2) SA is a nation that does not have a homogeneous racial population, has a history of racial injustice, and experienced a &quot;revolution&quot; via the ballot box &#038; courts (see USA).

• BLM, Antifa, etc. do not care about racism, justice, police brutality, etc. - they care about power.
• &lt;b&gt;Our history of racial injustice is our Achilles Heel, and that mental weak spot of &quot;good will&quot; is being exploited (see destruction of Confederate Monuments and conditioning populace to support division, to &quot;evolve&quot;).&lt;/b&gt;

• The &quot;legal&quot; confiscation of personal wealth/ property will be a consequence of being conquered - not just confiscation of Treasury wealth - and when that happens it will be too late to stop the destruction of what our forebears built (see reparations, equity, etc.).**

** = Stayed at several gorgeous, sprawling SA ranches, and heard stories of the white owners agreeing to give up part of their property and being turned down.  Why?  Because the person claiming that the land belonged to their ancestor - true or not - can go to court and be awarded the entire estate.

3) The Democratic Alliance (DA).

• Is not just a white party, many middle-class blacks and Indians support them too - but it is isolated geographically (see Western Cape).
• Without the DA, there would be no checks on the ANC/ EFF corruption and draconian measures against whites, and those with means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I talk with friends about our country&#8217;s future, I talk about South Africa too.</p>
<p>• Most Americans are well aware of how unjust South Africa was during the Apartheid era, but how many Americans have any idea what has happened since Apartheid ended. Or what has happened since Mandela died. <b>Long story short, the fixation on race did not end – just who decided which race-based injustices were acceptable changed. And their remedies are no better.</b><br />
• The political party that Mandela founded – the African National Congress (ANC) – now openly redistributes &#8220;wealth&#8221; (e.g., government jobs, contracts &amp; nationalization/ private jobs, stock, company ownership &#8220;DEI Reqs&#8221;/ private property confiscation).</p>
<p>• The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) – and others &#8211; split from the ANC because the ANC was not radical enough. The EFF advocates the seizure of all white-owned farms and the nationalization of much of the economy: “We are not calling for the slaughtering of white people — at least for now”.</p>
<p><b>As hard as it is for many to understand in this country, we are being conquered.  And SA &#8211; not just Europe &#8211; is an example of our future.  I am not without hope, but I am also not optimistic that we can sustain what the post-WWII generations built.</b></p>
<p> ***</p>
<p>1) For ~4 months, I traveled overland through Botswana, Zimbabwe, and then South Africa coast-to-coast &#8211; before Mandela died.</p>
<p>• White groups of all ages recognized the injustice of Apartheid.  Had several memorable conversations about growing-up in SA, and SA&#8217; future: &#8220;At one time SA was the refuge when strife broke out elsewhere in Africa &#8211; now there is nowhere left to go, except into the ocean.&#8221;<br />
• As bad as things had become, there was still more apprehension about what would happen when Mandela died &#8211; he spoke out against retribution.</p>
<p>• They were right to be apprehensive &#8211; thousands of whites have been killed^^ (and the black, Indian middle class is threatened too).  And &#8220;fact checks&#8221; by white Western &#8220;news orgs&#8221; minimize/ deny what is happening because the &#8220;official government records&#8221; do not back it up.<br />
• White Western society does not seem to care about what is happening to the white SAs &#8211; deserve it &#8211; and is willing to ignore or whitewash events (sound familiar).</p>
<p>^^ = met a white SA in Botswana who told me the story of her family refusing to turn in their guns &#8211; as required by SA government &#8211; and then having to fire a warning shot into the ceiling as a group of black SAs attempted a home invasion one night &#8211; the mob left, but her family realized they were only temporarily safe until all of the easier targets in the countryside have been robbed &#8211; the mob included at least one police officer.</p>
<p>• I have a big interest in Architecture &#8211; and would grab every &#8220;Home Design&#8221; magazine I could.  Besides the usual layout, kitchen, baths, etc. focus &#8211; every article would tout the security features.  Not just alarm systems &#8211; SECURITY features: batter proof front doors, steel shutters,  reinforced garage doors, security fences/ walls, etc.  If you had money, you built a stylish fortress &#8211; and even if you did not, you still fortified your house &amp; subscribed to a security/ alarm service.</p>
<p>• Once off the hiking trail/ safari, did not have many interactions with SA blacks, but felt at ease when I did &#8211; which has been my experience throughout Africa &#8211; although my sample size was small and in pubs/ restaurants with a younger clientele and disposable incomes.<br />
• Now that Mandela has died, I would not attempt the same overland trip today.</p>
<p>2) SA is a nation that does not have a homogeneous racial population, has a history of racial injustice, and experienced a &#8220;revolution&#8221; via the ballot box &amp; courts (see USA).</p>
<p>• BLM, Antifa, etc. do not care about racism, justice, police brutality, etc. &#8211; they care about power.<br />
• <b>Our history of racial injustice is our Achilles Heel, and that mental weak spot of &#8220;good will&#8221; is being exploited (see destruction of Confederate Monuments and conditioning populace to support division, to &#8220;evolve&#8221;).</b></p>
<p>• The &#8220;legal&#8221; confiscation of personal wealth/ property will be a consequence of being conquered &#8211; not just confiscation of Treasury wealth &#8211; and when that happens it will be too late to stop the destruction of what our forebears built (see reparations, equity, etc.).**</p>
<p>** = Stayed at several gorgeous, sprawling SA ranches, and heard stories of the white owners agreeing to give up part of their property and being turned down.  Why?  Because the person claiming that the land belonged to their ancestor &#8211; true or not &#8211; can go to court and be awarded the entire estate.</p>
<p>3) The Democratic Alliance (DA).</p>
<p>• Is not just a white party, many middle-class blacks and Indians support them too &#8211; but it is isolated geographically (see Western Cape).<br />
• Without the DA, there would be no checks on the ANC/ EFF corruption and draconian measures against whites, and those with means.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrishOtter49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 16:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Botswana is reputedly the safest and most civilized of the sub-Saharan nations. Best safari packages and lodges. I&#039;m planning to go there next year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Botswana is reputedly the safest and most civilized of the sub-Saharan nations. Best safari packages and lodges. I&#8217;m planning to go there next year.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnTyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 14:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SA is headed for a blood bath; the initial targets - targeted for death -  will be their white population and other &quot;colored&quot; groups, after which the Zulu and Xhosa will begin killing each other. 
These latter two comprise about 40% of the  population of SA and they are long time enemies. 

Some cultures (e.g . tribal) are incompatible with representative democracy; look how  tough it is even here in the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SA is headed for a blood bath; the initial targets &#8211; targeted for death &#8211;  will be their white population and other &#8220;colored&#8221; groups, after which the Zulu and Xhosa will begin killing each other.<br />
These latter two comprise about 40% of the  population of SA and they are long time enemies. </p>
<p>Some cultures (e.g . tribal) are incompatible with representative democracy; look how  tough it is even here in the USA.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Malema is the most disgusting figure on the South African political scene; he plays to the malice and stupidity of a portion of the Bantu population.  His outfit lost ground.  Zuma has a life expectancy of about seven years; in re him, the question is where his patron-client network goes when he&#039;s shuffled off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malema is the most disgusting figure on the South African political scene; he plays to the malice and stupidity of a portion of the Bantu population.  His outfit lost ground.  Zuma has a life expectancy of about seven years; in re him, the question is where his patron-client network goes when he&#8217;s shuffled off.</p>
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		By: BrooklynBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrooklynBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 14:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you are not a &quot;person of color&quot;  I would advise every South African to get out as soon as you can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are not a &#8220;person of color&#8221;  I would advise every South African to get out as soon as you can.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2024 13:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steinhauzen who is the youngest of the leaders notably uncredentialed seems to the sort south africa deserves but will they get it]]></description>
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