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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/27/for-memorial-day-on-nationalism-and-patriotism-7/#comment-2741998</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2024 04:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH &#062; &quot;Anything that can get the middle, which is leaning strongly towards Trump, to make a knee jerk reaction against him… for a week or so.&quot;

A prescient warning, but not enough people will heed it.

See, for example, how hard it is to change people&#039;s minds about Israeli actions in Gaza AFTER the initial false news reports, even when the Hamas-hoaxes are revealed only days, or even hours, later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH &gt; &#8220;Anything that can get the middle, which is leaning strongly towards Trump, to make a knee jerk reaction against him… for a week or so.&#8221;</p>
<p>A prescient warning, but not enough people will heed it.</p>
<p>See, for example, how hard it is to change people&#8217;s minds about Israeli actions in Gaza AFTER the initial false news reports, even when the Hamas-hoaxes are revealed only days, or even hours, later.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/27/for-memorial-day-on-nationalism-and-patriotism-7/#comment-2741997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2024 04:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH &#062; &quot;I do believe there is a hidden undercurrent that certainly runs against the apparent direction that things are going, among the young.&quot;

QED.
https://notthebee.com/takes/is-this-the-most-iconic-photo-of-2024
&lt;blockquote&gt;After pro-Hamas activists replaced the American flag on the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill) campus — which, by the way, had been flying at half-staff in memory of four Charlotte police officers who were killed earlier this week — the school&#039;s chancellor directed law enforcement to return the American flag to its rightful place. This upset the anti-American children masquerading as anti-war protesters, but before they were able to tear the flag down again, a collection of real-life heroes stepped in to protect Old Glory: frat bros.
...
This isn&#039;t even the first time frat bros have stepped in. Fraternity brothers helped break down a pro-Hamas encampment in Arizona State University, and one Florida State student (whose Greek Life involvement is unknown) provided us with this highlight moment to uncover a sprinkler aimed at another pro-Hamas encampment:
...
During these troubling times, when the American flag is being thrown to the ground and replaced by the Palestinian flag, the image of fraternity brothers defending the American flag stands out to me as evidence of so much.

It&#039;s evidence that there are still people out there willing to stand up to a vicious mob to defend basic American values. It&#039;s evidence that there are still people out there who will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Jews and smile in the face of anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Christian, and anti-Jewish insanity. And it&#039;s evidence that even the smallest acts can hold more weight than a thousand screeching leftists squatting on campus property in makeshift encampments while demanding access to DoorDash.

It&#039;s not hyperbolic to say that we should all be like these frat bros. Both literally and figuratively, we need to be willing to hold the American flag off the ground to prevent it from being torn down by maniacs whose oxymoronic views of LGBTQABCDEFG+ and radical Islamic hatred has goals far beyond replacing a flag on a college campus.

As a vocal minority of entitled college students cosplay oppression, let&#039;s stand in their way - with or without a smile - and keep their nonsense at bay.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH &gt; &#8220;I do believe there is a hidden undercurrent that certainly runs against the apparent direction that things are going, among the young.&#8221;</p>
<p>QED.<br />
<a href="https://notthebee.com/takes/is-this-the-most-iconic-photo-of-2024" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/takes/is-this-the-most-iconic-photo-of-2024</a></p>
<blockquote><p>After pro-Hamas activists replaced the American flag on the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill) campus — which, by the way, had been flying at half-staff in memory of four Charlotte police officers who were killed earlier this week — the school&#8217;s chancellor directed law enforcement to return the American flag to its rightful place. This upset the anti-American children masquerading as anti-war protesters, but before they were able to tear the flag down again, a collection of real-life heroes stepped in to protect Old Glory: frat bros.<br />
&#8230;<br />
This isn&#8217;t even the first time frat bros have stepped in. Fraternity brothers helped break down a pro-Hamas encampment in Arizona State University, and one Florida State student (whose Greek Life involvement is unknown) provided us with this highlight moment to uncover a sprinkler aimed at another pro-Hamas encampment:<br />
&#8230;<br />
During these troubling times, when the American flag is being thrown to the ground and replaced by the Palestinian flag, the image of fraternity brothers defending the American flag stands out to me as evidence of so much.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s evidence that there are still people out there willing to stand up to a vicious mob to defend basic American values. It&#8217;s evidence that there are still people out there who will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Jews and smile in the face of anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Christian, and anti-Jewish insanity. And it&#8217;s evidence that even the smallest acts can hold more weight than a thousand screeching leftists squatting on campus property in makeshift encampments while demanding access to DoorDash.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hyperbolic to say that we should all be like these frat bros. Both literally and figuratively, we need to be willing to hold the American flag off the ground to prevent it from being torn down by maniacs whose oxymoronic views of LGBTQABCDEFG+ and radical Islamic hatred has goals far beyond replacing a flag on a college campus.</p>
<p>As a vocal minority of entitled college students cosplay oppression, let&#8217;s stand in their way &#8211; with or without a smile &#8211; and keep their nonsense at bay.
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2024 01:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} Neo: &lt;i&gt;... and the upshot is that the younger generations have much less of it than the older ones.&lt;/i&gt;

And I&#039;m saying to you, I do believe there is a hidden undercurrent that certainly runs against the apparent direction that things are going, among the young. 

It&#039;s helped a lot by them seeing how the government is ephing up their lives -- they&#039;ve been taught to believe in The Government As THE Solution to all ills, but now they&#039;re seeing for themselves how ephed up they are making things, and are actually Getting A Semblance Of A Clue.

Yeah, there is a large percentage of zombie liberals whose brains are just flat out shut down, but that&#039;s way less than half. There are a lot of young people who either have figured out what Gen-X figured out (&quot;You can&#039;t trust governments&quot;) or have begun to grasp this as the existing admin lies and lies and overreaches in so many ways.

This is going to be an interesting -- in the manner of the apocryphal Chinese Curse -- election year.

I wish I encountered more people warning everyone about faked videos. 

I suspect they are looking to make a last minute, last-week-of-October &quot;faked video&quot; drop that is damning, is short (15-30s) and will, AFTER the election, be demonstrated as a total fake. If people are aware of how much video faking by AI has improved in the last year, and are prepared for the possibility, they are much much less likely to be taken in by such a lie.

This vid (linked to it before) shows how much things have improved in just the last year. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpdyAWLDas

It&#039;s three months old. So the question is, how much more can they improve between three months ago and September, or about 7 &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; months from THAT video, especially if they have a cadre of people prepared to do something really obnoxious. It can be boosted quite a bit by making it look like a surreptitious phonecam vid, which would allow them to &quot;move the camera about&quot; to crop out any blatant fakery-indicating flaws.

Remember, as the Black Nazis and Black Founding Fathers crap showed a few months back, there&#039;s quite a few liberal SOBs involved in pushing AI further.

It seriously would not have to be much, as little as Trump supposedly using the &quot;N&quot; word and saying some other obnoxious, clearly racist things. Or other things, like &quot;confirming Trump plans Nazi type reforms&quot; and suchlike, thereby &quot;confirming&quot; things the Merdia have been &quot;warning everyone about&quot; for the last 6 months. :-/ 

Anything that can get the middle, which is leaning strongly towards Trump, to make a knee jerk reaction against him... for a week or so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} Neo: <i>&#8230; and the upshot is that the younger generations have much less of it than the older ones.</i></p>
<p>And I&#8217;m saying to you, I do believe there is a hidden undercurrent that certainly runs against the apparent direction that things are going, among the young. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s helped a lot by them seeing how the government is ephing up their lives &#8212; they&#8217;ve been taught to believe in The Government As THE Solution to all ills, but now they&#8217;re seeing for themselves how ephed up they are making things, and are actually Getting A Semblance Of A Clue.</p>
<p>Yeah, there is a large percentage of zombie liberals whose brains are just flat out shut down, but that&#8217;s way less than half. There are a lot of young people who either have figured out what Gen-X figured out (&#8220;You can&#8217;t trust governments&#8221;) or have begun to grasp this as the existing admin lies and lies and overreaches in so many ways.</p>
<p>This is going to be an interesting &#8212; in the manner of the apocryphal Chinese Curse &#8212; election year.</p>
<p>I wish I encountered more people warning everyone about faked videos. </p>
<p>I suspect they are looking to make a last minute, last-week-of-October &#8220;faked video&#8221; drop that is damning, is short (15-30s) and will, AFTER the election, be demonstrated as a total fake. If people are aware of how much video faking by AI has improved in the last year, and are prepared for the possibility, they are much much less likely to be taken in by such a lie.</p>
<p>This vid (linked to it before) shows how much things have improved in just the last year.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpdyAWLDas" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpdyAWLDas</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s three months old. So the question is, how much more can they improve between three months ago and September, or about 7 <b><i>more</i></b> months from THAT video, especially if they have a cadre of people prepared to do something really obnoxious. It can be boosted quite a bit by making it look like a surreptitious phonecam vid, which would allow them to &#8220;move the camera about&#8221; to crop out any blatant fakery-indicating flaws.</p>
<p>Remember, as the Black Nazis and Black Founding Fathers crap showed a few months back, there&#8217;s quite a few liberal SOBs involved in pushing AI further.</p>
<p>It seriously would not have to be much, as little as Trump supposedly using the &#8220;N&#8221; word and saying some other obnoxious, clearly racist things. Or other things, like &#8220;confirming Trump plans Nazi type reforms&#8221; and suchlike, thereby &#8220;confirming&#8221; things the Merdia have been &#8220;warning everyone about&#8221; for the last 6 months. :-/ </p>
<p>Anything that can get the middle, which is leaning strongly towards Trump, to make a knee jerk reaction against him&#8230; for a week or so.</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/27/for-memorial-day-on-nationalism-and-patriotism-7/#comment-2741891</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[well as I&#039;ve pointed out before, the one who built the foundations of the eu, was not jean monnet, it was aldo spinelli italian communists, like the democracy party, in italy, only the torygraph really noted this once,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well as I&#8217;ve pointed out before, the one who built the foundations of the eu, was not jean monnet, it was aldo spinelli italian communists, like the democracy party, in italy, only the torygraph really noted this once,</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 17:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mann had been one of those &quot;amoral nationalists&quot; in the First World War.  He wanted to be a patriot and a conservative in contrast to his more radical brother Heinrich, who was considered a Frenchified radical, but the predominant German conservative tradition of the day was assertively nationalistic and not appreciative of Europeanism or fixed moral values.  After the war, Mann saw where Germany was going and changed his thinking.

In its early years, the EU (EEC) was able to reconcile &quot;national individualism&quot; with &quot;the European tradition.&quot;  Those days are over.  That&#039;s largely because of the power-hungry EU bureaucracy and the national elites that support it, but also because countries aren&#039;t as distinctive as they once were.  The world is growing ever less diverse.

So often now people just accept the labels the media put on things.  &quot;White supremacy,&quot;  &quot;White nationalism,&quot; &quot;Christian nationalism.&quot;  I think our current arguments aren&#039;t so much about &quot;nationalism&quot; as much as about a properly national perspective.  It&#039;s not about the nation being everything, but it&#039;s about having a proper respect for the nation, its people and their interests and values.

There is much to the nationalism vs. patriotism distinction, but it&#039;s not as clear as it once was.  Politicians like Biden and Macron want their countries to play major roles on the global stage and wrap themselves in the flag, even as they undercut the things that make their nations distinctive and their governments responsible to the people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mann had been one of those &#8220;amoral nationalists&#8221; in the First World War.  He wanted to be a patriot and a conservative in contrast to his more radical brother Heinrich, who was considered a Frenchified radical, but the predominant German conservative tradition of the day was assertively nationalistic and not appreciative of Europeanism or fixed moral values.  After the war, Mann saw where Germany was going and changed his thinking.</p>
<p>In its early years, the EU (EEC) was able to reconcile &#8220;national individualism&#8221; with &#8220;the European tradition.&#8221;  Those days are over.  That&#8217;s largely because of the power-hungry EU bureaucracy and the national elites that support it, but also because countries aren&#8217;t as distinctive as they once were.  The world is growing ever less diverse.</p>
<p>So often now people just accept the labels the media put on things.  &#8220;White supremacy,&#8221;  &#8220;White nationalism,&#8221; &#8220;Christian nationalism.&#8221;  I think our current arguments aren&#8217;t so much about &#8220;nationalism&#8221; as much as about a properly national perspective.  It&#8217;s not about the nation being everything, but it&#8217;s about having a proper respect for the nation, its people and their interests and values.</p>
<p>There is much to the nationalism vs. patriotism distinction, but it&#8217;s not as clear as it once was.  Politicians like Biden and Macron want their countries to play major roles on the global stage and wrap themselves in the flag, even as they undercut the things that make their nations distinctive and their governments responsible to the people.</p>
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		By: JFM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn’t read “Man Without a Country” in school, but we watched a movie version. I remember how the naval officers couldn’t tell him anything about the US.  He had made a US flag and a ship’s officer finally told him that he could sew on another star on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t read “Man Without a Country” in school, but we watched a movie version. I remember how the naval officers couldn’t tell him anything about the US.  He had made a US flag and a ship’s officer finally told him that he could sew on another star on it.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It was exciting compared to Dick and Jane and the rest&quot;
I remember those horrible books. Another awful idea from the teacher colleges. They tried to teach reading by the whole word method, like Chinese ideographs, as if English wasn&#039;t a phonetic language(mostly).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was exciting compared to Dick and Jane and the rest&#8221;<br />
I remember those horrible books. Another awful idea from the teacher colleges. They tried to teach reading by the whole word method, like Chinese ideographs, as if English wasn&#8217;t a phonetic language(mostly).</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 14:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...wolverines...&quot;
Pretty weird...
But it gets weirder...
&quot;...Radical Leftist Rashida Tlaib Speaks At Conference Connected With Terrorist Group&quot;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/absurd-radical-leftist-rashida-tlaib-speaks-conference-connected-terrorist-group

...and weirder...
&quot;FBI Director Met With Hamas Supporters Asking Him to Lock Up Jews&quot;---
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fbi-director-met-with-hamas-supporters-asking-him-to-lock-up-jews/

File under: The New Normal(TM)...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;wolverines&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Pretty weird&#8230;<br />
But it gets weirder&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Radical Leftist Rashida Tlaib Speaks At Conference Connected With Terrorist Group&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/absurd-radical-leftist-rashida-tlaib-speaks-conference-connected-terrorist-group" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/absurd-radical-leftist-rashida-tlaib-speaks-conference-connected-terrorist-group</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and weirder&#8230;<br />
&#8220;FBI Director Met With Hamas Supporters Asking Him to Lock Up Jews&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.frontpagemag.com/fbi-director-met-with-hamas-supporters-asking-him-to-lock-up-jews/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.frontpagemag.com/fbi-director-met-with-hamas-supporters-asking-him-to-lock-up-jews/</a></p>
<p>File under: The New Normal(TM)&#8230;</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 13:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jefferson was a slave owner so was francis scott key what else needs to be said 

Conversely lord bellmore who was colonial governor in virginia sought to employ blacks in his army so hes an abolitionist now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefferson was a slave owner so was francis scott key what else needs to be said </p>
<p>Conversely lord bellmore who was colonial governor in virginia sought to employ blacks in his army so hes an abolitionist now?</p>
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		By: windbag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[windbag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 13:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a billboard in town that reads:  &quot;Tired of chaos?  Restore democracy.  Vote Democrat.&quot;  Unbelievably clueless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a billboard in town that reads:  &#8220;Tired of chaos?  Restore democracy.  Vote Democrat.&#8221;  Unbelievably clueless.</p>
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