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		By: Jaynie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/07/rules-for-pro-hamas-radicals-the-circle-dance-revisited/#comment-2739358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaynie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2024 12:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, true, David+Foster. One would th8nk that conversion stories would be required for bedrock research purposes.

Thank you, Barry Meislin for link to ‘The Turn.’ That was a great piece. 
Leibovitz description of his world in his original social standing as a leftist just so captured the unthinking, unselfaware, oh so right thinking crowd. Sounds as if he is of the group that seems to say that the left left him.

Also, what a great title, great concept, The Turn. Second only to my favorite title of a conversion story, David Mamet’s ‘Why I am No Longer a Brain Dead Liberal.’]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, true, David+Foster. One would th8nk that conversion stories would be required for bedrock research purposes.</p>
<p>Thank you, Barry Meislin for link to ‘The Turn.’ That was a great piece.<br />
Leibovitz description of his world in his original social standing as a leftist just so captured the unthinking, unselfaware, oh so right thinking crowd. Sounds as if he is of the group that seems to say that the left left him.</p>
<p>Also, what a great title, great concept, The Turn. Second only to my favorite title of a conversion story, David Mamet’s ‘Why I am No Longer a Brain Dead Liberal.’</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2024 12:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You may be familiar with this (relatively) &quot;oldie but goodie&quot;.
If not, enjoy...as it were...
&quot;The Turn;
&quot;When I saw the left give up everything I believe in, I changed politically....&quot;
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-turn-liel-leibovitz]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be familiar with this (relatively) &#8220;oldie but goodie&#8221;.<br />
If not, enjoy&#8230;as it were&#8230;<br />
&#8220;The Turn;<br />
&#8220;When I saw the left give up everything I believe in, I changed politically&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-turn-liel-leibovitz" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-turn-liel-leibovitz</a></p>
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		By: David+Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/07/rules-for-pro-hamas-radicals-the-circle-dance-revisited/#comment-2739190</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David+Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2024 12:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jaynie..conversion stories...one would think that political operatives would be very, very interested in such stories, but I&#039;ve seen no sign that they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaynie..conversion stories&#8230;one would think that political operatives would be very, very interested in such stories, but I&#8217;ve seen no sign that they are.</p>
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		By: Jaynie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/07/rules-for-pro-hamas-radicals-the-circle-dance-revisited/#comment-2739186</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaynie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2024 11:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also find conversion stories compelling. Hearing how a thinking person used their intellectual and emotional gifts to completely alter and upend their beliefs and hearing how circuitous and varied these transition journeys are always stretches my own mind. I am drawn to these stories in political as well as in faith and religion beliefs. 

Long winded way of leading to a link to a podcast, Explore Purpose My Story Podcast, in which Richard Pollack discusses the shift in his thinking from progressive to conservative. (I’ve not listened yet, so I hope it’s a good link and a good story.)

https://mystorypodcast.podbean.com/e/015-richard-pollock-50-years-in-the-swamp/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find conversion stories compelling. Hearing how a thinking person used their intellectual and emotional gifts to completely alter and upend their beliefs and hearing how circuitous and varied these transition journeys are always stretches my own mind. I am drawn to these stories in political as well as in faith and religion beliefs. </p>
<p>Long winded way of leading to a link to a podcast, Explore Purpose My Story Podcast, in which Richard Pollack discusses the shift in his thinking from progressive to conservative. (I’ve not listened yet, so I hope it’s a good link and a good story.)</p>
<p><a href="https://mystorypodcast.podbean.com/e/015-richard-pollock-50-years-in-the-swamp/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mystorypodcast.podbean.com/e/015-richard-pollock-50-years-in-the-swamp/</a></p>
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		By: David+Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/07/rules-for-pro-hamas-radicals-the-circle-dance-revisited/#comment-2739096</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David+Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2024 23:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a certain kind of people, the opportunity to be a Circle Dancer is even more attractive when it can be combined with acting with cruelty toward those outside the circle--and enjoying the sanction of a virtuous feeling while doing it.

See my post Conformity, Cruelty, and Political Activism:

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70696.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a certain kind of people, the opportunity to be a Circle Dancer is even more attractive when it can be combined with acting with cruelty toward those outside the circle&#8211;and enjoying the sanction of a virtuous feeling while doing it.</p>
<p>See my post Conformity, Cruelty, and Political Activism:</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70696.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70696.html</a></p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2024 20:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most will have noticed that many protesters are refusing to engage questioners; responding with dismissive and formulaic if not haughty references to &quot;official spokespersons&quot;

Considering they are in public creating a scene and disruption, this is a rather imperious tactic of assumed privilege and superiority to take, relative to both the norms that govern interpersonal relations with, and the persons of, their ostensible &quot;fellow&quot; citizens who inhabit the same political space.

I do not think they quite appreciate the precipice upon which they are standing:  though many of the sensitive conservative types would be quick to make excuses for their pride, ardor, and naivete, rather than to say to them, &quot;So be it; and ....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most will have noticed that many protesters are refusing to engage questioners; responding with dismissive and formulaic if not haughty references to &#8220;official spokespersons&#8221;</p>
<p>Considering they are in public creating a scene and disruption, this is a rather imperious tactic of assumed privilege and superiority to take, relative to both the norms that govern interpersonal relations with, and the persons of, their ostensible &#8220;fellow&#8221; citizens who inhabit the same political space.</p>
<p>I do not think they quite appreciate the precipice upon which they are standing:  though many of the sensitive conservative types would be quick to make excuses for their pride, ardor, and naivete, rather than to say to them, &#8220;So be it; and &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/05/07/rules-for-pro-hamas-radicals-the-circle-dance-revisited/#comment-2738699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I may have to read Rules for Radicals. I’ve always assumed that it recommends a sort of mischievous rabble-rousing, misguided but basically benign. But if Pollock is describing it accurately it’s evil.&lt;/i&gt;

Mac:

Strictly speaking, Alinsky dedicated &quot;Rules for Radicals&quot; to his wife, Irene. However, immediately thereafter he quotes Rabbi Hillel, Thomas Paine, then Alinsky himself as introductory epigraphs to &quot;Rules&quot;. 
________________________________________

&lt;i&gt;Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... &lt;b&gt;the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.&lt;/b&gt;

--Saul Alinsky&lt;/i&gt;
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OK. Alinsky didn&#039;t exactly dedicate his book to Satan, but ...

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;--Rolling Stones, &quot;Sympathy for the Devil&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I may have to read Rules for Radicals. I’ve always assumed that it recommends a sort of mischievous rabble-rousing, misguided but basically benign. But if Pollock is describing it accurately it’s evil.</i></p>
<p>Mac:</p>
<p>Strictly speaking, Alinsky dedicated &#8220;Rules for Radicals&#8221; to his wife, Irene. However, immediately thereafter he quotes Rabbi Hillel, Thomas Paine, then Alinsky himself as introductory epigraphs to &#8220;Rules&#8221;.<br />
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<p><i>Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history&#8230; <b>the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.</b></p>
<p>&#8211;Saul Alinsky</i><br />
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<p>OK. Alinsky didn&#8217;t exactly dedicate his book to Satan, but &#8230;</p>
<p><i><b>&#8211;Rolling Stones, &#8220;Sympathy for the Devil&#8221;</b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k</a></i></p>
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		By: Michael Rittenhouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Rittenhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a &quot;should&#039;ve said&quot; moment that I hope will benefit some of you.

While hosting a social event last week in a public place, I introduced myself to a new arrival who was chatting with a female friend of mine. Just then she asked the newbie about his scarf. He said it was a keffiyeh.

I got that, and chose to ignore him. My hosting duties called, and I had others to greet.

Later, the encounter stuck with me. And I realized that in my pocket I had all I needed to call him out. (I&#039;ll put the rest of this in past tense for ease of storytelling.)

&quot;So you&#039;re wearing this, why?&quot; (Wait for answer.)

(Fish out the iPhone and call up the YouTube video showing 3-4 Hamas attackers dragging a young woman away from the Oct. 7 concert where many were murdered and kidnapped.)

&quot;She was taken into captivity and raped for days on end.&quot; (Let that sink in with my friend.)

&quot;So: Whose side are you on?&quot;

(Regardless of his answer, keep replaying the video.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a &#8220;should&#8217;ve said&#8221; moment that I hope will benefit some of you.</p>
<p>While hosting a social event last week in a public place, I introduced myself to a new arrival who was chatting with a female friend of mine. Just then she asked the newbie about his scarf. He said it was a keffiyeh.</p>
<p>I got that, and chose to ignore him. My hosting duties called, and I had others to greet.</p>
<p>Later, the encounter stuck with me. And I realized that in my pocket I had all I needed to call him out. (I&#8217;ll put the rest of this in past tense for ease of storytelling.)</p>
<p>&#8220;So you&#8217;re wearing this, why?&#8221; (Wait for answer.)</p>
<p>(Fish out the iPhone and call up the YouTube video showing 3-4 Hamas attackers dragging a young woman away from the Oct. 7 concert where many were murdered and kidnapped.)</p>
<p>&#8220;She was taken into captivity and raped for days on end.&#8221; (Let that sink in with my friend.)</p>
<p>&#8220;So: Whose side are you on?&#8221;</p>
<p>(Regardless of his answer, keep replaying the video.)</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 11:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo&#039;s spam filter seems to have quit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8217;s spam filter seems to have quit.</p>
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		By: I'm sorrySteve57		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I'm sorrySteve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 10:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I carecso much]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carecso much</p>
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