Comments on: Pressure, pressure: two more Israeli hostages in videos from Hamas

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Wed, 01 May 2024 13:18:57 +0000

The way the exchanges are usually set up is in a series of steps that make it hard to violate the agreement. The terrorists are not dumb in that sense.

Yes, if the agreement involves release of Hamas prisoners, but if it includes a “ceasefire,” that part would be unenforceable. The Israelis could also hunt down and kill the released prisoners. The problem is more political: Israel would of course be condemned worldwide for violating the agreement, notwithstanding the fact that Hamas had violated the ceasefire in place on 10/7.

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Wed, 01 May 2024 04:29:46 +0000

@ feral lunch lady > “Oct. 7 is such a good example of the real cost of cheap labor.”

There is a great fear among many on the internet that we will see a similar event in the US due to the wide-open Biden-non-border, which used to be primarily a result of the greed of the cheap-labor corporations and individuals, although now it’s more because of the Democratic haste to generate a new electorate.

We are importing potential terrorists, beyond any question, which is the equivalent of the USSR boast that they would sell our capitalists the rope to hang themselves.

(Today is our “off day” this week, and I’m almost caught up on the laundry, cleaning, and news.)

By: miguel+cervantes

miguel+cervantes — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:28:02 +0000

ah I see,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/freed-hostage-whose-husband-is-still-captive-says-i-thought-we-were-forgotten/

his daughter I think was the one who seems not to understand who is at fault

By: neo

neo — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:23:34 +0000

Miguel cervantes:

One is an older man, so definitely yes for him. I don’t know the cutoff for the definition of “older,” so the other might qualify as well.

By: Miguel cervantes

Miguel cervantes — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:32:52 +0000

Except we always see where the israelis keep their prisoners not vice versa

There is no accounting for the hostages

Those two hostages were not among the ones requested by israel are they

By: neo

neo — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:19:27 +0000

The way the exchanges are usually set up is in a series of steps that make it hard to violate the agreement. The terrorists are not dumb in that sense.

By: feral lunch lady

feral lunch lady — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:03:24 +0000

Also, there is no loss of honor in violating such an agreement, which is voidable. A contract made under duress. IMO, one loses honor by honoring such a contract.

I’d also like to throw in an additional 2cents regarding the discussion of the minimum wage. A question for economists on both sides of that issue. How much money did Israel save by employing low wage Gazans before Oct. 7? How much money did Israel lose by this, i.e. how much money could Israel have saved by paying more for Jewish workers? And yes, they do exist, the people who live on those kibbutzim work in the fields, even American cowboys volunteered there. Oct. 7 is such a good example of the real cost of cheap labor.

By: miguel+cervantes

miguel+cervantes — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:50:51 +0000

israel already offered a ceasefire, and hamas didn’t take it, what is this ground hog day?

By: feral lunch lady

feral lunch lady — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:47:45 +0000

There’s one secret weapon Israel hasn’t used. They could agree to anything and then fail to honor the contract, which is what the other side does routinely. If I were in charge of Israel, I would pretend to negotiate in good faith, get back as many hostages as possible, then ignore whatever I signed and start carpet bombing. That’s the only way to win with some people.

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:33:27 +0000

Shirehome, my husband told me the same when he was traveling internationally on business. He forbade me to pay ransom.

In Israel’s case, the habit of making deals for return of hostages has consistently resulted in more hostages taken, and Oct. 7 was an extreme case of this.