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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t let this penguin get behind you!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let this penguin get behind you!</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The revolutionaries in the French Revolution convineced the mob and themselves that their worship of Reason would lead to Liberty, Fraternety, Egality.  

Ooops, they created The Terror, it led to the guillotine, Pol Pot.  

These leftists are &quot;always&quot; so certain. Arc of history and all that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The revolutionaries in the French Revolution convineced the mob and themselves that their worship of Reason would lead to Liberty, Fraternety, Egality.  </p>
<p>Ooops, they created The Terror, it led to the guillotine, Pol Pot.  </p>
<p>These leftists are &#8220;always&#8221; so certain. Arc of history and all that.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 04:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We are trying to live
as if we were an experiment
conducted by the future

--Marge Piercy, &quot;Rough Times&quot; (1976)&lt;/i&gt;
______________________________

Barry Meislin:

Somehow your Zerohedge link reminded me of those lines from Piercy. She was hard-core SDS, then hard-left, feminist. She sure had an impact on me.

I think it&#039;s a useful quote for understanding the left. They have an unshakeable conviction that they are a human wave hurling themselves upon the unjust rocks of the present in order to achieve that brighter moral future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We are trying to live<br />
as if we were an experiment<br />
conducted by the future</p>
<p>&#8211;Marge Piercy, &#8220;Rough Times&#8221; (1976)</i><br />
______________________________</p>
<p>Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>Somehow your Zerohedge link reminded me of those lines from Piercy. She was hard-core SDS, then hard-left, feminist. She sure had an impact on me.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a useful quote for understanding the left. They have an unshakeable conviction that they are a human wave hurling themselves upon the unjust rocks of the present in order to achieve that brighter moral future.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/04/20/open-thread-4-20-24/#comment-2735547</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And John Eastman with a grim, detailed reminder on &quot;The Most Secure Election In American History&quot;....
(which because of the BOMBAST of the claim must itself be recognized as just another outright &quot;Biden&quot; lie.)
&quot; &#039;The Most Secure Election in American History&#039; &quot;---
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20588/most-secure-election

John Eastman demonstrating, once again, why he must be destroyed by &quot;Biden&quot; and all those patriotic Democrats...
(Compare with the link in my previous post:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And John Eastman with a grim, detailed reminder on &#8220;The Most Secure Election In American History&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
(which because of the BOMBAST of the claim must itself be recognized as just another outright &#8220;Biden&#8221; lie.)<br />
&#8221; &#8216;The Most Secure Election in American History&#8217; &#8220;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20588/most-secure-election" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20588/most-secure-election</a></p>
<p>John Eastman demonstrating, once again, why he must be destroyed by &#8220;Biden&#8221; and all those patriotic Democrats&#8230;<br />
(Compare with the link in my previous post:<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession</a>)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[R2L:

My understanding is that culture is the transmission of knowledge, behaviors and skills from one generation to the next through social learning not genetic inheritance. Not necessarily by language.

Such culture has been observed among mammals and birds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R2L:</p>
<p>My understanding is that culture is the transmission of knowledge, behaviors and skills from one generation to the next through social learning not genetic inheritance. Not necessarily by language.</p>
<p>Such culture has been observed among mammals and birds.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 03:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[R2L:

Meaty questions. I haven&#039;t checked Chat&#039;s claims of current scientific thought, papers and whatnot, on whether it is truly learned behavior.

To me it looked like a rite of passage for the baby chicks. I can easily imagine the advantages such a rite would have for penguins. 

I&#039;ve done eight firewalks. A large crowd of people clustered around paths of red-hot coals, then one by one they walk the fire. There&#039;s music and drumming and cheering. It&#039;s deep and tribal.

You know it&#039;s safe, because everyone else is doing it, and maybe even you did it before, but in that moment you have to belly up to the line, then storm through those coals all alone. Yes, you can feel the hot heat of the coals, but that doesn&#039;t stop you.

Afterward, you know something a bit more about yourself.

I think people and penguins can use such an experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R2L:</p>
<p>Meaty questions. I haven&#8217;t checked Chat&#8217;s claims of current scientific thought, papers and whatnot, on whether it is truly learned behavior.</p>
<p>To me it looked like a rite of passage for the baby chicks. I can easily imagine the advantages such a rite would have for penguins. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done eight firewalks. A large crowd of people clustered around paths of red-hot coals, then one by one they walk the fire. There&#8217;s music and drumming and cheering. It&#8217;s deep and tribal.</p>
<p>You know it&#8217;s safe, because everyone else is doing it, and maybe even you did it before, but in that moment you have to belly up to the line, then storm through those coals all alone. Yes, you can feel the hot heat of the coals, but that doesn&#8217;t stop you.</p>
<p>Afterward, you know something a bit more about yourself.</p>
<p>I think people and penguins can use such an experience.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/04/20/open-thread-4-20-24/#comment-2735539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some good news for Sidney Powell....finally...though it sure took a while.

&quot;Sidney Powell Handed Win After Judges Dismiss Disciplinary Effort By Texas State Bar&quot;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sidney-powell-handed-win-after-judges-dismiss-disciplinary-effort-texas-state-bar
Opening graf:
&quot;Sidney Powell, a lawyer who filed lawsuits after the 2020 election, got a win in Texas after &lt;b&gt;an appeals court ruled that the Texas bar did not prove that she engaged in misconduct or fraud&lt;/b&gt;....&quot; [Emphasis mine: Barry M.]

However, some very chilling news from the UK WRT to the Gender Stasis&#039; efforts to thwart and destroy all opposition to their criminal insanity.
&#039;UK Physiotherapist Leaders Announce Goal To &quot;Eradicate&quot; Critics Of Gender Ideology From The Profession&#039;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession

Yes, their utter criminal insanity:
Here&#039;s the recently-concluded Cass Report (from the UK), which totally dismantles the Gender Stasis&#039; argument...
&quot;Lord Of The Lies: A Pediatrician&#039;s Take On The Latest Child Gender-Transition Research&quot;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/lord-lies-pediatricians-take-latest-child-gender-transition-research]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good news for Sidney Powell&#8230;.finally&#8230;though it sure took a while.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sidney Powell Handed Win After Judges Dismiss Disciplinary Effort By Texas State Bar&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sidney-powell-handed-win-after-judges-dismiss-disciplinary-effort-texas-state-bar" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sidney-powell-handed-win-after-judges-dismiss-disciplinary-effort-texas-state-bar</a><br />
Opening graf:<br />
&#8220;Sidney Powell, a lawyer who filed lawsuits after the 2020 election, got a win in Texas after <b>an appeals court ruled that the Texas bar did not prove that she engaged in misconduct or fraud</b>&#8230;.&#8221; [Emphasis mine: Barry M.]</p>
<p>However, some very chilling news from the UK WRT to the Gender Stasis&#8217; efforts to thwart and destroy all opposition to their criminal insanity.<br />
&#8216;UK Physiotherapist Leaders Announce Goal To &#8220;Eradicate&#8221; Critics Of Gender Ideology From The Profession&#8217;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-eradicate-critics-gender-ideology-profession</a></p>
<p>Yes, their utter criminal insanity:<br />
Here&#8217;s the recently-concluded Cass Report (from the UK), which totally dismantles the Gender Stasis&#8217; argument&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Lord Of The Lies: A Pediatrician&#8217;s Take On The Latest Child Gender-Transition Research&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/lord-lies-pediatricians-take-latest-child-gender-transition-research" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/lord-lies-pediatricians-take-latest-child-gender-transition-research</a></p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 02:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley,
To me the penguins jumping seem to be almost totally instinctual.
Was the first penguin off the cliff an adult that the chicks could learn from?
Maybe there was some prior observations of adults jumping into shallower drop offs? Not clear from this video or your ChatGPT summary.

Can you (or a species) really have a [not exactly genetic] &quot;culture&quot; without a language to present and define it? [I will grant that perhaps learning by copying is a form of language in the sense that I am asking. You do something in response to the observation of another&#039;s behavior or action, not based on inherited tendencies to perform a specific behavior.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley,<br />
To me the penguins jumping seem to be almost totally instinctual.<br />
Was the first penguin off the cliff an adult that the chicks could learn from?<br />
Maybe there was some prior observations of adults jumping into shallower drop offs? Not clear from this video or your ChatGPT summary.</p>
<p>Can you (or a species) really have a [not exactly genetic] &#8220;culture&#8221; without a language to present and define it? [I will grant that perhaps learning by copying is a form of language in the sense that I am asking. You do something in response to the observation of another&#8217;s behavior or action, not based on inherited tendencies to perform a specific behavior.]</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Columbia U. mob may have made themselves a target rich environment for DJT to descend upon next break he gets at trial. Wouldn&#039;t surprise me a bit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Columbia U. mob may have made themselves a target rich environment for DJT to descend upon next break he gets at trial. Wouldn&#8217;t surprise me a bit.</p>
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