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		By: Cappy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does the sample size include all that identify as black females?]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karmi on April 12, 2024 at 6:00 am 
&quot;White and black children have different brains or different ways of learning.&quot;
I was going to say that given the 40K to 50K years from &quot;out of Africa&quot; [and possibly return trips, or more than one exodus], the different environments of Europe and Africa could provide some modest genetic differences via evolution. But I will defer to Telemachus&#039;s personal experience that such potential differences are probably too small to be observable in the general case.  Besides, we know women and men have different brain wiring: more side to side, or front to back, respectively. And no man who has been married more than a year will ever claim to know how or what his wife is thinking.  :-) 

scentdolt on April 12, 2024 at 9:30 am 
&quot;I wonder if it is possible to follow the trail of plagiarism ... to a seminal “Paper Zero” on racial grievances...&quot;  Careful what you wish for.  We might find that paper was written by Thomas Sowell, Charles Murray, Glenn Loury, or ??  But more likely we would find this seminal author was either Karl Marx or Malcom X. 

topper on April 12, 2024 at 9:44 am
&quot;... you should try to find a similar narrow academic pursuit with primarily non-black scholars who engage in a similar proliferation of plagiarism.&quot; You mean, like &quot;climate science&quot;, Federal Reserve tea leaves reading, or transgender medicine? 

JFM on April 12, 2024 at 11:13 am
&quot;The hell of this is lived by the people who are intelligent and do the work to find out that they were hired to check a box.&quot;  I certainly hope that in the end they do realize that their talents and productive output would end up speaking for itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi on April 12, 2024 at 6:00 am<br />
&#8220;White and black children have different brains or different ways of learning.&#8221;<br />
I was going to say that given the 40K to 50K years from &#8220;out of Africa&#8221; [and possibly return trips, or more than one exodus], the different environments of Europe and Africa could provide some modest genetic differences via evolution. But I will defer to Telemachus&#8217;s personal experience that such potential differences are probably too small to be observable in the general case.  Besides, we know women and men have different brain wiring: more side to side, or front to back, respectively. And no man who has been married more than a year will ever claim to know how or what his wife is thinking.  🙂 </p>
<p>scentdolt on April 12, 2024 at 9:30 am<br />
&#8220;I wonder if it is possible to follow the trail of plagiarism &#8230; to a seminal “Paper Zero” on racial grievances&#8230;&#8221;  Careful what you wish for.  We might find that paper was written by Thomas Sowell, Charles Murray, Glenn Loury, or ??  But more likely we would find this seminal author was either Karl Marx or Malcom X. </p>
<p>topper on April 12, 2024 at 9:44 am<br />
&#8220;&#8230; you should try to find a similar narrow academic pursuit with primarily non-black scholars who engage in a similar proliferation of plagiarism.&#8221; You mean, like &#8220;climate science&#8221;, Federal Reserve tea leaves reading, or transgender medicine? </p>
<p>JFM on April 12, 2024 at 11:13 am<br />
&#8220;The hell of this is lived by the people who are intelligent and do the work to find out that they were hired to check a box.&#8221;  I certainly hope that in the end they do realize that their talents and productive output would end up speaking for itself.</p>
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		By: Telemachus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karmi, that transcript from Jeremiah Wright is very interesting. I wonder if he realized that he was making a case for &quot;Separate but Equal?&quot;

And as someone who has been in actual African classrooms, elementary through HS, I&#039;ll just say that he is/was full of horse manure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi, that transcript from Jeremiah Wright is very interesting. I wonder if he realized that he was making a case for &#8220;Separate but Equal?&#8221;</p>
<p>And as someone who has been in actual African classrooms, elementary through HS, I&#8217;ll just say that he is/was full of horse manure.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;but the actual incidence of plagiarism. Is anyone doing that sort of research?&lt;/i&gt;

If they are, then:
1 -- if it turns out that it &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; a racially-founded &lt;i&gt;problem&lt;/i&gt;, it will be suppressed.
2 -- if it turns out that it is happening across the board, well, then it will be suppressed because... face it, it&#039;ll be mostly liberals doing it.
3 -- what won&#039;t be found is and evidence that anyone is being oppressed. But that will not be the merdia spin no matter what happens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>but the actual incidence of plagiarism. Is anyone doing that sort of research?</i></p>
<p>If they are, then:<br />
1 &#8212; if it turns out that it <b>is</b> a racially-founded <i>problem</i>, it will be suppressed.<br />
2 &#8212; if it turns out that it is happening across the board, well, then it will be suppressed because&#8230; face it, it&#8217;ll be mostly liberals doing it.<br />
3 &#8212; what won&#8217;t be found is and evidence that anyone is being oppressed. But that will not be the merdia spin no matter what happens.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“ There are only so many new or original twists you can put on that theme”

ANY theme. Too many candidates. Not enough ideas. Downside of too many people. Over production of elites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“ There are only so many new or original twists you can put on that theme”</p>
<p>ANY theme. Too many candidates. Not enough ideas. Downside of too many people. Over production of elites.</p>
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		By: JFM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 15:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before there was Diversity&#039;s hiring there were quota hires. I believe that the problem people who are hired this way face, or faced, is a huge degree of imposter syndrome.  That is why there is an emphasis on entitlement in certain communities. “You deserve this”. Of course this leads to cheating. 

The hell of this is lived by the people who are intelligent and do the work to find out that they were hired to check a box.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before there was Diversity&#8217;s hiring there were quota hires. I believe that the problem people who are hired this way face, or faced, is a huge degree of imposter syndrome.  That is why there is an emphasis on entitlement in certain communities. “You deserve this”. Of course this leads to cheating. </p>
<p>The hell of this is lived by the people who are intelligent and do the work to find out that they were hired to check a box.</p>
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		By: topper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Instead of casting a broad net and investigating plagiarism everywhere, they should look to see if there is rampant plagiarism going on in any other specific academic field.

In this case, we have black academics (mostly female) who all write about the same thing, namely &quot;white man bad&quot;.  There are only so many new or original twists you can put on that theme.  If you were interested in looking for some equivalence in fraud outside of this field, you should try to find a similar narrow academic pursuit with primarily non-black scholars who engage in a similar proliferation of plagiarism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of casting a broad net and investigating plagiarism everywhere, they should look to see if there is rampant plagiarism going on in any other specific academic field.</p>
<p>In this case, we have black academics (mostly female) who all write about the same thing, namely &#8220;white man bad&#8221;.  There are only so many new or original twists you can put on that theme.  If you were interested in looking for some equivalence in fraud outside of this field, you should try to find a similar narrow academic pursuit with primarily non-black scholars who engage in a similar proliferation of plagiarism.</p>
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		By: scentdolt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the bigger issue is if these black &quot;scholars&quot; ever received any constructive criticism on their writing through their ascent through elite universities.  My guess is that they have always engaged in blatant copy-and-paste plagiarism, but would be given an &quot;A&quot; on whatever paper they turned in and told that they were absolutely brilliant.  Since they were getting such positive feedback for the crap they handed in and never had a teacher willing (or brave enough) to give them proper guidance, they probably didn&#039;t even realize what they were doing was unethical or intellectually lazy.  

Then when they got into academia, they still didn&#039;t know any better and just kept doing  the same thing, and receiving even more effusive praise for their &quot;scholastic work&quot;.

It wonder if it is possible to follow the trail of plagiarism from one DEI &quot;scholar&quot; to another, and if it all leads to a seminal &quot;Paper Zero&quot; on racial grievances from which the entire compendium of &quot;black studies&quot; was plagiarized from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bigger issue is if these black &#8220;scholars&#8221; ever received any constructive criticism on their writing through their ascent through elite universities.  My guess is that they have always engaged in blatant copy-and-paste plagiarism, but would be given an &#8220;A&#8221; on whatever paper they turned in and told that they were absolutely brilliant.  Since they were getting such positive feedback for the crap they handed in and never had a teacher willing (or brave enough) to give them proper guidance, they probably didn&#8217;t even realize what they were doing was unethical or intellectually lazy.  </p>
<p>Then when they got into academia, they still didn&#8217;t know any better and just kept doing  the same thing, and receiving even more effusive praise for their &#8220;scholastic work&#8221;.</p>
<p>It wonder if it is possible to follow the trail of plagiarism from one DEI &#8220;scholar&#8221; to another, and if it all leads to a seminal &#8220;Paper Zero&#8221; on racial grievances from which the entire compendium of &#8220;black studies&#8221; was plagiarized from.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the racist Jeremiah Wright was right about the differences in white and black children. Were these black women taught in a ‘&lt;i&gt;left brained cognitive object oriented learning style&lt;/i&gt;’ educational system – where maybe they needed to cheat in order to get better grades?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/wright.transcript/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Transcript of Jeremiah Wright&#039;s speech to NAACP&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Miseducation. Miseducation incidentally is not a Jeremiah Wright term. It&#039;s a word coined by Dr. Carter G. Woodson over 80 years ago .. Two brilliant scholars and two beautiful sisters, both of whom hail from Detroit in the fields of education and linguistics, Dr. Janice Hale right here at Wayne State University, founder of the Institute for the study of the African-American child. and Dr. Geneva Smitherman formerly of Wayne State University now at Michigan State University .. Both demonstrated 40 years ago that different does not mean deficient. 

Turn to your neighbor and say different does not mean deficient. It simply means different. In fact, Dr. Janice Hale was the first writer whom I read who used that phrase. Different does not mean deficient. Different is not synonymous with deficient. It was in Dr. Hale&#039;s first book, &quot;Black Children their Roots, Culture and Learning Style.&quot; Is Dr. Hale here tonight? We owe her a debt of gratitude. Dr. Hale showed us that in &lt;b&gt;comparing African-American children and European-American children in the field of education, we were comparing apples and rocks&lt;/b&gt;.

And we were coming up with more meaningless solutions like reading, writing and Ritalin. Dr. Hale&#039;s research led her to &lt;b&gt;stop comparing African-American children with European-American children and she started comparing the pedagogical methodologies of African-American children to African children and European-American children to European children. And bingo, she discovered that the two different worlds have two different ways of learning. European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented&lt;/b&gt; learning style and the entire educational learning system in the United States of America.

 African and African-American children have a different way of learning.

&lt;b&gt;They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person.&lt;/b&gt; Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? &lt;b&gt;Because black kids wouldn&#039;t stay in their place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

White and black children have different brains or different ways of learning. Imagine a white person say that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the racist Jeremiah Wright was right about the differences in white and black children. Were these black women taught in a ‘<i>left brained cognitive object oriented learning style</i>’ educational system – where maybe they needed to cheat in order to get better grades?</p>
<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/wright.transcript/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">Transcript of Jeremiah Wright&#8217;s speech to NAACP</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Miseducation. Miseducation incidentally is not a Jeremiah Wright term. It&#8217;s a word coined by Dr. Carter G. Woodson over 80 years ago .. Two brilliant scholars and two beautiful sisters, both of whom hail from Detroit in the fields of education and linguistics, Dr. Janice Hale right here at Wayne State University, founder of the Institute for the study of the African-American child. and Dr. Geneva Smitherman formerly of Wayne State University now at Michigan State University .. Both demonstrated 40 years ago that different does not mean deficient. </p>
<p>Turn to your neighbor and say different does not mean deficient. It simply means different. In fact, Dr. Janice Hale was the first writer whom I read who used that phrase. Different does not mean deficient. Different is not synonymous with deficient. It was in Dr. Hale&#8217;s first book, &#8220;Black Children their Roots, Culture and Learning Style.&#8221; Is Dr. Hale here tonight? We owe her a debt of gratitude. Dr. Hale showed us that in <b>comparing African-American children and European-American children in the field of education, we were comparing apples and rocks</b>.</p>
<p>And we were coming up with more meaningless solutions like reading, writing and Ritalin. Dr. Hale&#8217;s research led her to <b>stop comparing African-American children with European-American children and she started comparing the pedagogical methodologies of African-American children to African children and European-American children to European children. And bingo, she discovered that the two different worlds have two different ways of learning. European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented</b> learning style and the entire educational learning system in the United States of America.</p>
<p> African and African-American children have a different way of learning.</p>
<p><b>They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person.</b> Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? <b>Because black kids wouldn&#8217;t stay in their place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>White and black children have different brains or different ways of learning. Imagine a white person say that.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...can&#039;t fathom...&quot;

Well, ordinarily you&#039;d be right...however...
some people are far too &quot;intelligent&quot; for their own good...(keeping in mind, if you prefer, the &quot;Intelligence-Perversity nexus...as measured by the &quot;Perversity Quotient&quot;....):

&quot; &#039;Source of inspiration&#039;---Israeli professor eulogizes convicted terrorist;
&quot;Dr. Anat Matar, a professor of philosophy at Tel Aviv University, praised convicted terrorist Walid Daka, who took part in the abduction and murder of IDF soldier Moshe Tamam in 1986.&quot;---
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388261

+ Bonus:
From the &quot;Words Are Entirely Meaningless&quot; File:
&quot;Haniyeh claims: My sons weren&#039;t Hamas fighters;
&quot;&lt;b&gt;Hamas leader says group is still seeking a hostage release deal despite the elimination of three of his sons in an air strike in Gaza.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;---
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388363
(Wondering if that should that be &quot;despite...&quot; or &quot;BECAUSE OF...&quot; ...)

File under: And Humpty Dumpty shall inherit the earth...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;can&#8217;t fathom&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, ordinarily you&#8217;d be right&#8230;however&#8230;<br />
some people are far too &#8220;intelligent&#8221; for their own good&#8230;(keeping in mind, if you prefer, the &#8220;Intelligence-Perversity nexus&#8230;as measured by the &#8220;Perversity Quotient&#8221;&#8230;.):</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8216;Source of inspiration&#8217;&#8212;Israeli professor eulogizes convicted terrorist;<br />
&#8220;Dr. Anat Matar, a professor of philosophy at Tel Aviv University, praised convicted terrorist Walid Daka, who took part in the abduction and murder of IDF soldier Moshe Tamam in 1986.&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388261" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388261</a></p>
<p>+ Bonus:<br />
From the &#8220;Words Are Entirely Meaningless&#8221; File:<br />
&#8220;Haniyeh claims: My sons weren&#8217;t Hamas fighters;<br />
&#8220;<b>Hamas leader says group is still seeking a hostage release deal despite the elimination of three of his sons in an air strike in Gaza.</b>&#8220;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388363" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388363</a><br />
(Wondering if that should that be &#8220;despite&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;BECAUSE OF&#8230;&#8221; &#8230;)</p>
<p>File under: And Humpty Dumpty shall inherit the earth&#8230;</p>
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