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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair enough. It got the point across, anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. It got the point across, anyway.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Philip Sells;

The author writes: &quot;While there is not much data available, there is a little, and it is enough ... &quot;  In other words, it seems they stopped releasing this sort of detailed data after that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Sells;</p>
<p>The author writes: &#8220;While there is not much data available, there is a little, and it is enough &#8230; &#8221;  In other words, it seems they stopped releasing this sort of detailed data after that.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 00:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do the same patterns apply to the casualty &quot;data&quot; since November? The article&#039;s dataset only covered a few weeks&#039; worth. Maybe because of these temporary truces, data in 2024 has been lacking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the same patterns apply to the casualty &#8220;data&#8221; since November? The article&#8217;s dataset only covered a few weeks&#8217; worth. Maybe because of these temporary truces, data in 2024 has been lacking.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh now i see

https://twitter.com/Sultanknish/status/1769459249166631239]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh now i see</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/Sultanknish/status/1769459249166631239" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/Sultanknish/status/1769459249166631239</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/16/hamas-makes-up-its-casualty-numbers-and-the-world-repeats-them-as-truth/#comment-2729284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GIGO, Gazamites In Gazamites Out - garbage numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIGO, Gazamites In Gazamites Out &#8211; garbage numbers.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip Sells:

One would expect that if any group were over-represented in the death toll it would be men.  There is no question that a lot of armed Hamas fighters are involved and are being killed.  And yet that&#039;s not what Hamas reports.  What&#039;s more, women and children are usually together, and bombs should be hitting them in roughly similar proportions.  That&#039;s not what&#039;s happening here.

The author explains:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But it turns out that on the three days when the men’s count is near zero, suggesting an error, the women’s count is high. In fact, the three highest daily women casualty count occurs on those three days.

Taken together, what does this all imply? While the evidence is not dispositive, it is highly suggestive that a process unconnected or loosely connected to reality was used to report the numbers. Most likely, the Hamas ministry settled on a daily total arbitrarily. We know this because the daily totals increase too consistently to be real. Then they assigned about 70% of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed.

There are other obvious red flags. The Gaza Health Ministry has consistently claimed that about 70% of the casualties are women or children. This total is far higher than the numbers reported in earlier conflicts with Israel. Another red flag, raised by Salo Aizenberg and written about extensively, is that if 70% of the casualties are women and children and 25% of the population is adult male, then either Israel is not successfully eliminating Hamas fighters or adult male casualty counts are extremely low. This by itself strongly suggests that the numbers are at a minimum grossly inaccurate and quite probably outright faked. Finally, on Feb. 15, Hamas admitted to losing 6,000 of its fighters, which represents more than 20% of the total number of casualties reported.

Taken together, Hamas is reporting not only that 70% of casualties are women and children but also that 20% are fighters. This is not possible unless Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So we have tons of women and children reported killed, but when lots of women are killed lots of children are not.  We have a lesser number of men reported killed, but they are almost all fighters with almost no non-fighter men reported killed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip Sells:</p>
<p>One would expect that if any group were over-represented in the death toll it would be men.  There is no question that a lot of armed Hamas fighters are involved and are being killed.  And yet that&#8217;s not what Hamas reports.  What&#8217;s more, women and children are usually together, and bombs should be hitting them in roughly similar proportions.  That&#8217;s not what&#8217;s happening here.</p>
<p>The author explains:</p>
<blockquote><p>But it turns out that on the three days when the men’s count is near zero, suggesting an error, the women’s count is high. In fact, the three highest daily women casualty count occurs on those three days.</p>
<p>Taken together, what does this all imply? While the evidence is not dispositive, it is highly suggestive that a process unconnected or loosely connected to reality was used to report the numbers. Most likely, the Hamas ministry settled on a daily total arbitrarily. We know this because the daily totals increase too consistently to be real. Then they assigned about 70% of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed.</p>
<p>There are other obvious red flags. The Gaza Health Ministry has consistently claimed that about 70% of the casualties are women or children. This total is far higher than the numbers reported in earlier conflicts with Israel. Another red flag, raised by Salo Aizenberg and written about extensively, is that if 70% of the casualties are women and children and 25% of the population is adult male, then either Israel is not successfully eliminating Hamas fighters or adult male casualty counts are extremely low. This by itself strongly suggests that the numbers are at a minimum grossly inaccurate and quite probably outright faked. Finally, on Feb. 15, Hamas admitted to losing 6,000 of its fighters, which represents more than 20% of the total number of casualties reported.</p>
<p>Taken together, Hamas is reporting not only that 70% of casualties are women and children but also that 20% are fighters. This is not possible unless Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters.</p></blockquote>
<p>So we have tons of women and children reported killed, but when lots of women are killed lots of children are not.  We have a lesser number of men reported killed, but they are almost all fighters with almost no non-fighter men reported killed.</p>
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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/16/hamas-makes-up-its-casualty-numbers-and-the-world-repeats-them-as-truth/#comment-2729266</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard+Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tried this earlier:
Hamas&#039; currency isn&#039;t munitions.
It&#039;s dead Palestinian civilians.  These are assigned value by the rest of the world.  Sort of a fiat currency, in a manner of speaking.
The more value assigned, the greater Hamas&#039; moral authority and legitimacy.
If dead Palestinian civilians were assigned the same value 
by the rest of the world that is assigned to dead Israeli civilians, Hamas would be flat broke.

And so there would be no use for Hamas to arrange for and lie about dead Palestinian civilians.
And, so, fewer would die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried this earlier:<br />
Hamas&#8217; currency isn&#8217;t munitions.<br />
It&#8217;s dead Palestinian civilians.  These are assigned value by the rest of the world.  Sort of a fiat currency, in a manner of speaking.<br />
The more value assigned, the greater Hamas&#8217; moral authority and legitimacy.<br />
If dead Palestinian civilians were assigned the same value<br />
by the rest of the world that is assigned to dead Israeli civilians, Hamas would be flat broke.</p>
<p>And so there would be no use for Hamas to arrange for and lie about dead Palestinian civilians.<br />
And, so, fewer would die.</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[part of the dynamic I was referring to

https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2024/03/15/gen-david-petraeus-holds-up-the-iraq-surge-as-a-possible-model-for-israels-counterinsurgency-strategy-in-gaza/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>part of the dynamic I was referring to</p>
<p><a href="https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2024/03/15/gen-david-petraeus-holds-up-the-iraq-surge-as-a-possible-model-for-israels-counterinsurgency-strategy-in-gaza/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2024/03/15/gen-david-petraeus-holds-up-the-iraq-surge-as-a-possible-model-for-israels-counterinsurgency-strategy-in-gaza/</a></p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[curious this is not a bigger story,

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769391574926938241
further up thread, the Louisiana Cotton Mouth, Carville removes all doubt,https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769387330236813520


https://catholicherald.co.uk/italian-diocese-urges-catholics-to-join-muslims-for-prayers-and-meals-in-ramadan/
what is your job here
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkfaaqnat

I guess such thoughts are halal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curious this is not a bigger story,</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769391574926938241" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769391574926938241</a><br />
further up thread, the Louisiana Cotton Mouth, Carville removes all doubt,<a href="https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769387330236813520" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1769387330236813520</a></p>
<p><a href="https://catholicherald.co.uk/italian-diocese-urges-catholics-to-join-muslims-for-prayers-and-meals-in-ramadan/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://catholicherald.co.uk/italian-diocese-urges-catholics-to-join-muslims-for-prayers-and-meals-in-ramadan/</a><br />
what is your job here<br />
<a href="https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkfaaqnat" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkfaaqnat</a></p>
<p>I guess such thoughts are halal</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not clear on the Tablet article&#039;s third statistical assertion: &quot; The daily number of women casualties should be highly correlated with the number of non-women and non-children (i.e., men) reported.&quot; Can someone explain why that is so?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not clear on the Tablet article&#8217;s third statistical assertion: &#8221; The daily number of women casualties should be highly correlated with the number of non-women and non-children (i.e., men) reported.&#8221; Can someone explain why that is so?</p>
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