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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2729029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the subtext

https://merylnass.substack.com/p/supreme-court-to-hear-oral-arguments?utm_source=profile&#038;utm_medium=reader2]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the subtext</p>
<p><a href="https://merylnass.substack.com/p/supreme-court-to-hear-oral-arguments?utm_source=profile&#038;utm_medium=reader2" rel="nofollow ugc">https://merylnass.substack.com/p/supreme-court-to-hear-oral-arguments?utm_source=profile&#038;utm_medium=reader2</a></p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2729028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1768692526523777065]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1768692526523777065" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1768692526523777065</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2729012</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You know, the nearer your destination 
The more you&#039;re tik-tokking away.

--Paul Simon, &quot;Slip Slidin’ Away&quot; (1978)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5D3cQRAGM&lt;/i&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure why, but that&#039;s one of my favorite Simon songs, and one not so well-known.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You know, the nearer your destination<br />
The more you&#8217;re tik-tokking away.</p>
<p>&#8211;Paul Simon, &#8220;Slip Slidin’ Away&#8221; (1978)<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5D3cQRAGM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5D3cQRAGM</a></i><br />
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure why, but that&#8217;s one of my favorite Simon songs, and one not so well-known.</p>
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		By: Boobah		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728977</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boobah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There seems like an awful lot of uncertainty for a bill that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;maybe&lt;/i&gt; two pages.  Could this bill be used to go after Twitter?  Only if more than 20% of it is owned by people or corporations from a &#039;foreign adversary nation,&#039; an existing term of art.

The &#039;foreign adversary nation&#039; list appears to be controlled by the Secretary of Commerce; there are sources the Secretary is supposed to use to determine what nations belong on the list, but adding (or removing) an entry seems to be, ultimately, at the Secretary&#039;s discretion.

Current entries:  China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Maduro (but, uniquely, not a generic Venezuelan government.)

This likely keeps Rumble mostly clear, too, since Canada seems unlikely to get the &#039;foreign adversary nation&#039; label.

It&#039;s worth pointing out that the bill doesn&#039;t actually address the problems people have with TikTok; nothing about hoovering up data, nor anything about manipulating the algorithm to promote certain unsavory ideas.

In an attempt to prevent venue shopping, the bill can only be challenged in DC court.  Which is, on the one hand, kind of a good idea, in principle.  In practice, of course, the DC court is the swampiest of swamp creatures, especially worrying when tied into the hot new trend of state supreme courts (Hawaii) and even circuit courts (Fourth) deciding they can overturn Supreme Court precedent they don&#039;t like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems like an awful lot of uncertainty for a bill that&#8217;s <i>maybe</i> two pages.  Could this bill be used to go after Twitter?  Only if more than 20% of it is owned by people or corporations from a &#8216;foreign adversary nation,&#8217; an existing term of art.</p>
<p>The &#8216;foreign adversary nation&#8217; list appears to be controlled by the Secretary of Commerce; there are sources the Secretary is supposed to use to determine what nations belong on the list, but adding (or removing) an entry seems to be, ultimately, at the Secretary&#8217;s discretion.</p>
<p>Current entries:  China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Maduro (but, uniquely, not a generic Venezuelan government.)</p>
<p>This likely keeps Rumble mostly clear, too, since Canada seems unlikely to get the &#8216;foreign adversary nation&#8217; label.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that the bill doesn&#8217;t actually address the problems people have with TikTok; nothing about hoovering up data, nor anything about manipulating the algorithm to promote certain unsavory ideas.</p>
<p>In an attempt to prevent venue shopping, the bill can only be challenged in DC court.  Which is, on the one hand, kind of a good idea, in principle.  In practice, of course, the DC court is the swampiest of swamp creatures, especially worrying when tied into the hot new trend of state supreme courts (Hawaii) and even circuit courts (Fourth) deciding they can overturn Supreme Court precedent they don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728865</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been making the distinction between &quot;small l&quot; libertarians and &quot;large L&quot; Libertarians for at least 35 years. I&#039;ve rarely seen anything that the Libertarians favor that I agree with, yet any examination of my positions on government shows that I am strongly libertarian in viewpoint.

Libertarians are not even close to being in lockstep with libertarians. Libertarians are to libertarians what PostModern Liberals are to Classical Liberals. They are primarily the lunatic nutjob wing.

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BTW, the really fun nightmare for Dems is clearly obvious:

&lt;b&gt;Elon Musk buys TikTok.&lt;/b&gt;

I will be laughing my &lt;i&gt;ass&lt;/i&gt; off. :-D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been making the distinction between &#8220;small l&#8221; libertarians and &#8220;large L&#8221; Libertarians for at least 35 years. I&#8217;ve rarely seen anything that the Libertarians favor that I agree with, yet any examination of my positions on government shows that I am strongly libertarian in viewpoint.</p>
<p>Libertarians are not even close to being in lockstep with libertarians. Libertarians are to libertarians what PostModern Liberals are to Classical Liberals. They are primarily the lunatic nutjob wing.</p>
<p>=====<br />
BTW, the really fun nightmare for Dems is clearly obvious:</p>
<p><b>Elon Musk buys TikTok.</b></p>
<p>I will be laughing my <i>ass</i> off. 😀</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero:

You are misreading and/or misunderstanding my point, which is that although parents should indeed control whether or not their kids get cellphones and/or what sort of block are on phones if they do decide their kids should have them, the reality &lt;i&gt;of which parents also should be aware&lt;/i&gt; is that this does not necessarily entirely control the situation because kids can be quite creative about having access in other ways.

Unless parents go full Rapunzel and lock offspring in a tower completely away from the world, there is only an illusion of FULL control.  That should not stop parents from doing what they can realistically do to protect their children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero:</p>
<p>You are misreading and/or misunderstanding my point, which is that although parents should indeed control whether or not their kids get cellphones and/or what sort of block are on phones if they do decide their kids should have them, the reality <i>of which parents also should be aware</i> is that this does not necessarily entirely control the situation because kids can be quite creative about having access in other ways.</p>
<p>Unless parents go full Rapunzel and lock offspring in a tower completely away from the world, there is only an illusion of FULL control.  That should not stop parents from doing what they can realistically do to protect their children.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J.&#039;s 3/13 comment summarizes the situation quite well.
Neo&#039;s objection that kids will just end-run their parents is a cop-out against full parental control of their offspring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.&#8217;s 3/13 comment summarizes the situation quite well.<br />
Neo&#8217;s objection that kids will just end-run their parents is a cop-out against full parental control of their offspring.</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728817</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glenn Greenwald has a few thoughts on this matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU

1.5x speed is fine to capture all of it, more quickly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald has a few thoughts on this matter.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU</a></p>
<p>1.5x speed is fine to capture all of it, more quickly.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728801</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stories are coming out saying that this isn&#039;t so much about China now, but about which politicians have investments in which tech companies and which tech moguls have investments in which politicians.

There was a lot to be said for forcing a sale of TikTok to a US company (and carefully looking for any secret tricks implanted in the software).  Now we have to worry about the secret tricks implanted in the legislation.
__________

I miss shortwave.  Everything has gone over to the internet.  It&#039;s less expensive for the national broadcasters, who don&#039;t have to keep massive transmitters working, but more expensive for us, the end users, who have to pay for the internet.   

Also, using the internet now doesn&#039;t feel like being an explorer anymore, but there was always a little of that feeling with shortwave.  There was always something popping up somewhere on the dial.  Maybe it was the adventure of physically turning into a new territory at one end or the other of the dial, or maybe it was the magic of radio, which leaves much to the imagination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stories are coming out saying that this isn&#8217;t so much about China now, but about which politicians have investments in which tech companies and which tech moguls have investments in which politicians.</p>
<p>There was a lot to be said for forcing a sale of TikTok to a US company (and carefully looking for any secret tricks implanted in the software).  Now we have to worry about the secret tricks implanted in the legislation.<br />
__________</p>
<p>I miss shortwave.  Everything has gone over to the internet.  It&#8217;s less expensive for the national broadcasters, who don&#8217;t have to keep massive transmitters working, but more expensive for us, the end users, who have to pay for the internet.   </p>
<p>Also, using the internet now doesn&#8217;t feel like being an explorer anymore, but there was always a little of that feeling with shortwave.  There was always something popping up somewhere on the dial.  Maybe it was the adventure of physically turning into a new territory at one end or the other of the dial, or maybe it was the magic of radio, which leaves much to the imagination.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/13/tiktok-ticking-away/#comment-2728790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;to sell the US part of the operation (I believe) to some non-China-controlled entity &lt;/i&gt;

In other words, another fake bill that does nothing. The CCP will still control TikTok, and the US part could still be in foreign (but not Chinese) hands.

Now you know why it passed with so much Dem support.

Also the bill gives the government more power to dictate what&#039;s allowed online, if you bother to read it. I thought we didn&#039;t like how they made Twitter and Facebook filter content the government didn&#039;t like but now we&#039;re cheering them putting into law?

Maybe we shouldn&#039;t believe the narrative the media feeds us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>to sell the US part of the operation (I believe) to some non-China-controlled entity </i></p>
<p>In other words, another fake bill that does nothing. The CCP will still control TikTok, and the US part could still be in foreign (but not Chinese) hands.</p>
<p>Now you know why it passed with so much Dem support.</p>
<p>Also the bill gives the government more power to dictate what&#8217;s allowed online, if you bother to read it. I thought we didn&#8217;t like how they made Twitter and Facebook filter content the government didn&#8217;t like but now we&#8217;re cheering them putting into law?</p>
<p>Maybe we shouldn&#8217;t believe the narrative the media feeds us.</p>
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