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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I imagine we avoid neutron stars if needs must, they had also come up with inertial dampeners so they stresses don&#039;t tear the ship apart,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine we avoid neutron stars if needs must, they had also come up with inertial dampeners so they stresses don&#8217;t tear the ship apart,</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrsShadow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[on the grain of sand issue

When the grain of sand reaches a speed close to the speed of light, its energy and mass begin to increase dramatically. You can&#039;t even see this tiny grain of sand, but inside, it has the mass of an entire continent. If the grain reaches the speed of light, its mass will be infinite. And then, a black hole will appear.

So, your ship is going 2/3 the speed of light. 
and a grain of sand is going 2/3 the speed of light coming at you.

how do you defend yourself? 

Note that such a grain hitting the earth would destroy it.. 

Thats a lot of energy in an area smaller than, ahem... 

and any kind of terrestrial energy llike magnetism or any other force
appears in nature in amounts so high we can only peer at them millions of miles away to be safe.. 

A magnetar (a type of neutron star) has a magnetic field as strong as 10¹?-10¹? Gauss, making it the most magnetic object (known) in the Universe

1,400,000 Times Stronger Than Earth’s: New Record for Strongest Steady Magnetic Field

On August 12, the hybrid magnet of the Steady High Magnetic Field Facility (SHMFF) in Hefei, China, generated the world’s highest steady magnetic field by a working magnet measuring 45.22 teslas (T). In comparison, Earth’s magnetic field at 0° latitude and 0° longitude only has a strength of 0.000032 teslas.

so 452,200 Gaus vs 10,000,000,000,000,000 gaus

dont think that will move time... do you? 

the humoungous energy naturally occuring would show the effects of the exploitable 
they dont... sigh]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the grain of sand issue</p>
<p>When the grain of sand reaches a speed close to the speed of light, its energy and mass begin to increase dramatically. You can&#8217;t even see this tiny grain of sand, but inside, it has the mass of an entire continent. If the grain reaches the speed of light, its mass will be infinite. And then, a black hole will appear.</p>
<p>So, your ship is going 2/3 the speed of light.<br />
and a grain of sand is going 2/3 the speed of light coming at you.</p>
<p>how do you defend yourself? </p>
<p>Note that such a grain hitting the earth would destroy it.. </p>
<p>Thats a lot of energy in an area smaller than, ahem&#8230; </p>
<p>and any kind of terrestrial energy llike magnetism or any other force<br />
appears in nature in amounts so high we can only peer at them millions of miles away to be safe.. </p>
<p>A magnetar (a type of neutron star) has a magnetic field as strong as 10¹?-10¹? Gauss, making it the most magnetic object (known) in the Universe</p>
<p>1,400,000 Times Stronger Than Earth’s: New Record for Strongest Steady Magnetic Field</p>
<p>On August 12, the hybrid magnet of the Steady High Magnetic Field Facility (SHMFF) in Hefei, China, generated the world’s highest steady magnetic field by a working magnet measuring 45.22 teslas (T). In comparison, Earth’s magnetic field at 0° latitude and 0° longitude only has a strength of 0.000032 teslas.</p>
<p>so 452,200 Gaus vs 10,000,000,000,000,000 gaus</p>
<p>dont think that will move time&#8230; do you? </p>
<p>the humoungous energy naturally occuring would show the effects of the exploitable<br />
they dont&#8230; sigh</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that was the conceit of the planet of the apes films, taylor and brent, knew the hessler curve would take them into the future, they should have been able to identify what planet they were on, I guess plasma shielding would protect them
from most impacts, a einstein rosenman bridge, (a worm hole would pose other problems) that stargate didnt address]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was the conceit of the planet of the apes films, taylor and brent, knew the hessler curve would take them into the future, they should have been able to identify what planet they were on, I guess plasma shielding would protect them<br />
from most impacts, a einstein rosenman bridge, (a worm hole would pose other problems) that stargate didnt address</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrsShadow		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/03/11/open-thread-3-11-24/#comment-2728654</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW on March 12, 2024 at 2:11 am said:
Impossible to hide... we shed atoms all the time.. 
somewhere in the microplastics is evidence of nothing... 

if you could comprehend the smallest distances between us and other locations, you would not think as much as you do on them getting here... 

when it takes 1000 years for a radio signal to go one way, and that is a small distance in an over 27 billion year old universe.. 

just one method of doing so would help a whole lot towards the belief
star trek and movies aside... 

worm holes if they existed and were not mathematical things, would tear you apart (while violating a whole bunch of energy conservation laws). 

constant acceleration will put us on other stars and planets, but no round trips. 
and we could probably seed the galaxy that way (see sci american)
but the universe is out of reach

Proxima Centauri is a small, low-mass star located 4.2465 light-years away from the Sun in the southern constellation of Centaurus. Its Latin name means the &#039;nearest [star] of Centaurus&#039;. It was discovered in 1915 by Robert Innes and is the nearest-known star to the Sun.

light travels about 186,000 miles per second... 
671 million miles per hour

So now... you solved the i cant travel that far and live problem.
how do you solve the time problem?
how do you solve the acceleration deceleration problem (so it doesn&#039;t impact your time)

and my favorite. how do you solve the &quot;force of a grain of sand strikes my hull when i am moving at X percent the speed of light&quot; problem (before you answer - please realize what this energy is)

[how many generations would die and be born over the travel period - being nothing like their origins in less than 2 gens (in terms of anything other than biology)]

What this means is that if you travel at 50% of the speed of light, your clocks go 15% slower than clocks which are stationary. Travel at 80% of the speed of light and your clocks are 67% slower (ie at 3/5 of the rate of a stationary clock).

8760 hours X 4.2465 light-years = 37199.34 hours at light speed 

On Sept. 27, the Solar probe reached a blistering 394,736 mph/ (635,266 km/h) as it swooped close to the sun&#039;s surface 

after about 4000 years or more of travel - we would reach our closest neighbor
 and could start the whole thing... the plants would grow, they would be diverse enough, no terraforming would be needed (or possible?), etc. 


then lastly....
IF you could do that... and the whole of the universe was before you
playing jokes on ants would be your pass time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW on March 12, 2024 at 2:11 am said:<br />
Impossible to hide&#8230; we shed atoms all the time..<br />
somewhere in the microplastics is evidence of nothing&#8230; </p>
<p>if you could comprehend the smallest distances between us and other locations, you would not think as much as you do on them getting here&#8230; </p>
<p>when it takes 1000 years for a radio signal to go one way, and that is a small distance in an over 27 billion year old universe.. </p>
<p>just one method of doing so would help a whole lot towards the belief<br />
star trek and movies aside&#8230; </p>
<p>worm holes if they existed and were not mathematical things, would tear you apart (while violating a whole bunch of energy conservation laws). </p>
<p>constant acceleration will put us on other stars and planets, but no round trips.<br />
and we could probably seed the galaxy that way (see sci american)<br />
but the universe is out of reach</p>
<p>Proxima Centauri is a small, low-mass star located 4.2465 light-years away from the Sun in the southern constellation of Centaurus. Its Latin name means the &#8216;nearest [star] of Centaurus&#8217;. It was discovered in 1915 by Robert Innes and is the nearest-known star to the Sun.</p>
<p>light travels about 186,000 miles per second&#8230;<br />
671 million miles per hour</p>
<p>So now&#8230; you solved the i cant travel that far and live problem.<br />
how do you solve the time problem?<br />
how do you solve the acceleration deceleration problem (so it doesn&#8217;t impact your time)</p>
<p>and my favorite. how do you solve the &#8220;force of a grain of sand strikes my hull when i am moving at X percent the speed of light&#8221; problem (before you answer &#8211; please realize what this energy is)</p>
<p>[how many generations would die and be born over the travel period &#8211; being nothing like their origins in less than 2 gens (in terms of anything other than biology)]</p>
<p>What this means is that if you travel at 50% of the speed of light, your clocks go 15% slower than clocks which are stationary. Travel at 80% of the speed of light and your clocks are 67% slower (ie at 3/5 of the rate of a stationary clock).</p>
<p>8760 hours X 4.2465 light-years = 37199.34 hours at light speed </p>
<p>On Sept. 27, the Solar probe reached a blistering 394,736 mph/ (635,266 km/h) as it swooped close to the sun&#8217;s surface </p>
<p>after about 4000 years or more of travel &#8211; we would reach our closest neighbor<br />
 and could start the whole thing&#8230; the plants would grow, they would be diverse enough, no terraforming would be needed (or possible?), etc. </p>
<p>then lastly&#8230;.<br />
IF you could do that&#8230; and the whole of the universe was before you<br />
playing jokes on ants would be your pass time?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the Pixies, another species of Unicorn have been reported to have been hovering over the city of Wuhan China.  In fact many people think that Pixies were walking about freely their faces covered by cloth and paper.

In the deep dreaded briney the other species of Unicorns are thought to be the Narhwal, Mermaids, Octopus, and the Kraken.  The Kraken have been reported to be keenly interested in politics and bad movies.  Inscrutable they are, these nohuman intelligences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Pixies, another species of Unicorn have been reported to have been hovering over the city of Wuhan China.  In fact many people think that Pixies were walking about freely their faces covered by cloth and paper.</p>
<p>In the deep dreaded briney the other species of Unicorns are thought to be the Narhwal, Mermaids, Octopus, and the Kraken.  The Kraken have been reported to be keenly interested in politics and bad movies.  Inscrutable they are, these nohuman intelligences.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.--One thing which can be noted with certainty is the intense interest which UFOs have displayed in anything to do with nuclear weapons. 

We can mark the modern uptick in UFO activities--and the associated coverup--as likely starting with the 1947 crash at Roswell (or perhaps even with the earlier crash at nearby Trinity).

Roswell, like the Trinity site, is located very near the nuclear test site and, as well, is close to the then Army Air Force base which housed the sole unit whose aircraft dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki--the Enola Gay et al.

Over the decades since then there have been numerous reports of UFOs hovering over nuclear research and weapon production sites like Los Alamos, and Hanford, appearing in the vicinity of nuclear weapons tests, hovering over nuclear weapons storage sites here and abroad, over ICBM fields (and sometimes shutting down our U.S. ICBM launch capabilities and, in Russia, reportedly starting their launch sequences), over nuclear submarines and other nuclear powered war ships, and also over civilian nuclear power plants.

It appears as if whatever entity is operating these UFOs is very concerned that we will start a nuclear war, and destroy human civilization.

And if what we are dealing with are &quot;Ultraterrestrials&quot; of Earthly origin, I&#039;d imagine that they are quite concerned that we will destroy the planet that they also inhabit.*
  
*  See Robert Hastings book,&quot;UFOs and Nukes:  Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.&#8211;One thing which can be noted with certainty is the intense interest which UFOs have displayed in anything to do with nuclear weapons. </p>
<p>We can mark the modern uptick in UFO activities&#8211;and the associated coverup&#8211;as likely starting with the 1947 crash at Roswell (or perhaps even with the earlier crash at nearby Trinity).</p>
<p>Roswell, like the Trinity site, is located very near the nuclear test site and, as well, is close to the then Army Air Force base which housed the sole unit whose aircraft dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki&#8211;the Enola Gay et al.</p>
<p>Over the decades since then there have been numerous reports of UFOs hovering over nuclear research and weapon production sites like Los Alamos, and Hanford, appearing in the vicinity of nuclear weapons tests, hovering over nuclear weapons storage sites here and abroad, over ICBM fields (and sometimes shutting down our U.S. ICBM launch capabilities and, in Russia, reportedly starting their launch sequences), over nuclear submarines and other nuclear powered war ships, and also over civilian nuclear power plants.</p>
<p>It appears as if whatever entity is operating these UFOs is very concerned that we will start a nuclear war, and destroy human civilization.</p>
<p>And if what we are dealing with are &#8220;Ultraterrestrials&#8221; of Earthly origin, I&#8217;d imagine that they are quite concerned that we will destroy the planet that they also inhabit.*</p>
<p>*  See Robert Hastings book,&#8221;UFOs and Nukes:  Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites&#8221;</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW--You say that you can&#039;t imagine what incentive a supposed extraterrestrial might have which is so strong that such an entity would make what you presume is an arduous and expensive trip to our Earth.

Have you or anyone else on Earth met such an entity, had a look at their mode of transportation and it&#039;s capabilities, speed, and range? 

Are you certain that you know what the chemical composition of all the other habitable planets in our Galaxy is, which elements or items are plentiful and which are scarce? I know I don&#039;t.

Do you have knowledge of what such an entity, or the civilization it came from, might prize, might need, perhaps even desperately need?

Until some such entity steps from the shadows, or some human involved in the Legacy programs decides to reveal what he might know, All is just speculation. 

So, I don&#039;t think that, at this point, we can rule anything out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW&#8211;You say that you can&#8217;t imagine what incentive a supposed extraterrestrial might have which is so strong that such an entity would make what you presume is an arduous and expensive trip to our Earth.</p>
<p>Have you or anyone else on Earth met such an entity, had a look at their mode of transportation and it&#8217;s capabilities, speed, and range? </p>
<p>Are you certain that you know what the chemical composition of all the other habitable planets in our Galaxy is, which elements or items are plentiful and which are scarce? I know I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Do you have knowledge of what such an entity, or the civilization it came from, might prize, might need, perhaps even desperately need?</p>
<p>Until some such entity steps from the shadows, or some human involved in the Legacy programs decides to reveal what he might know, All is just speculation. </p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think that, at this point, we can rule anything out.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow, 
My hypothetical did not lead me to the conclusion that these phenomena are with certainty unreal. But rather if there is a life form piloting vehicles around the planet utilizing technology we don&#039;t yet understand, it makes no sense that they would be from other star systems.

There is nothing on earth that a civilization with the technology for interstellar travel, could not get in millions of other places, or just fabricate artificially.

Some kind of weird ass &quot;Silurian hypothesis&quot; style entities evolved beneath the sea or in previous geological eras? 

I don&#039;t know. Probably not, but maybe. 

If there are craft moving through the oceans, I would imagine the Navy would have some idea, given their sub tracking tech and focus.

In any event if there were such beings, I think we would be mistaken to imagine that they have social arrangements and values that are analogs of ours as in some 1950s sci fi movie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow,<br />
My hypothetical did not lead me to the conclusion that these phenomena are with certainty unreal. But rather if there is a life form piloting vehicles around the planet utilizing technology we don&#8217;t yet understand, it makes no sense that they would be from other star systems.</p>
<p>There is nothing on earth that a civilization with the technology for interstellar travel, could not get in millions of other places, or just fabricate artificially.</p>
<p>Some kind of weird ass &#8220;Silurian hypothesis&#8221; style entities evolved beneath the sea or in previous geological eras? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. Probably not, but maybe. </p>
<p>If there are craft moving through the oceans, I would imagine the Navy would have some idea, given their sub tracking tech and focus.</p>
<p>In any event if there were such beings, I think we would be mistaken to imagine that they have social arrangements and values that are analogs of ours as in some 1950s sci fi movie.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine:

It seems there are often if not always excuses why your highly credible credentialed classified access priests of the sacred UFO, NHI, pixie knowledge and evidence just can&#039;t, not a single one, pony up the world shattering evidence.  Not the fame, fortune,
or acclaim are sufficient for them to give it up or find a way to get it out.  Curious, such milqetoasts, or are they just satisfied with a low level con?

The mark has to want the con to be true.

No Copernicus or Galileo or Luther level of courage? Navalny went back to Russia, Bonhoeffer went back to Nazi Germany, but your world altering information isn&#039;t sufficient for such sacrifice?  Why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine:</p>
<p>It seems there are often if not always excuses why your highly credible credentialed classified access priests of the sacred UFO, NHI, pixie knowledge and evidence just can&#8217;t, not a single one, pony up the world shattering evidence.  Not the fame, fortune,<br />
or acclaim are sufficient for them to give it up or find a way to get it out.  Curious, such milqetoasts, or are they just satisfied with a low level con?</p>
<p>The mark has to want the con to be true.</p>
<p>No Copernicus or Galileo or Luther level of courage? Navalny went back to Russia, Bonhoeffer went back to Nazi Germany, but your world altering information isn&#8217;t sufficient for such sacrifice?  Why?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om --It&#039;s easy to ask someone who has access to classified information to reveal it, but you aren&#039;t the one who will lose their job, career, and livelihood and the ability to support their family--things like college tuition, food, gas, mortgage, and car payments, etc., lose their pension (which they might have worked 20 or 30 years to attain),* and end up in jail if they reveal what they know.
 
Moreover, according to some--like  whistleblower David Grusch--revealing such information could also see you suffer an unfortunate--and fatal--&quot;accident.&quot;

That is the power of this system of secrecy

* Lou Elizondo resigned his position short of retirement, and he has said that he, his wife, and his children ended up living in a trailer for some time as a result of that massive loss of income.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om &#8211;It&#8217;s easy to ask someone who has access to classified information to reveal it, but you aren&#8217;t the one who will lose their job, career, and livelihood and the ability to support their family&#8211;things like college tuition, food, gas, mortgage, and car payments, etc., lose their pension (which they might have worked 20 or 30 years to attain),* and end up in jail if they reveal what they know.</p>
<p>Moreover, according to some&#8211;like  whistleblower David Grusch&#8211;revealing such information could also see you suffer an unfortunate&#8211;and fatal&#8211;&#8220;accident.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the power of this system of secrecy</p>
<p>* Lou Elizondo resigned his position short of retirement, and he has said that he, his wife, and his children ended up living in a trailer for some time as a result of that massive loss of income.</p>
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