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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/02/24/karol-markowicz-to-jews-leave-the-pews/#comment-2726274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Johann Amadeus Metesky:

&quot;Mostly&quot; secular?  In other words, there&#039;s a lot of social stuff and some politics along with the prayers?  And yet there are prayers, and they are to God, and that makes Reform Judaism  a religion and not a secular social club.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann Amadeus Metesky:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mostly&#8221; secular?  In other words, there&#8217;s a lot of social stuff and some politics along with the prayers?  And yet there are prayers, and they are to God, and that makes Reform Judaism  a religion and not a secular social club.</p>
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		By: Johann Amadeus Metesky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johann Amadeus Metesky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, it could be argued that Reform Judaism is mostly secular.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, it could be argued that Reform Judaism is mostly secular.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Johann Amadeus Metesky:

She used the term for &lt;i&gt;Judaism&lt;/i&gt;.  Judaism is not secular, although plenty of Jews are.  Some of them even go to synagogues now and then.  But Judaism is not secular. That was my point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann Amadeus Metesky:</p>
<p>She used the term for <i>Judaism</i>.  Judaism is not secular, although plenty of Jews are.  Some of them even go to synagogues now and then.  But Judaism is not secular. That was my point.</p>
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		By: Johann Amadeus Metesky		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/02/24/karol-markowicz-to-jews-leave-the-pews/#comment-2726175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johann Amadeus Metesky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand why Markowitz, who was not born in the United States, used the word &quot;secular&quot; for *Conservative and Reform Jews but since that doesn&#039;t distinguish them from unaffiliated secular Jews, I think a better term would be heterodox, which distinguishes them from both completely secular Jews and traditional orthodox Jews.

*The Conservative movement was intended almost as a holding strategy between Orthodoxy, which was losing adherents as children of immigrants Americanized and assimilated, and Reform, which had abandoned much of what makes Judaism actually Jewish. It was intended to conserve Jews as traditional Jews. I could argue that it more or less worked for a couple of generations, and many &quot;Ba&#039;alei Tshuvah&quot;, Jews who embraced orthodoxy in the &#039;70s and &#039;80s, came from Conservative backgrounds. In general, though, the Conservative approach (eg. driving on Shabbat was permitted if going to synagogue) was really only adopted by a relative handful of affiliated families, and many Jews saw it as either &quot;orthodox lite&quot; or &quot;stricter than Reform&quot;.

Starting in the 1970s, though, one could start seeing more similarities between the Conservative and Reform laities in terms of levels of religious rituals and commitment. Observance of Kashrut went down, and intermarriage went up. Today the Conservative movement is literally dying out. Synagogues are merging or folding and attendance on Sabbath services is down. The Conservative seminary and rabbinate made a bad mistake in letting the Women&#039;s League for Conservative Judaism be the driving force in the movement, making changes that made Conservative synagogues less welcoming for men. For centuries, the morning &quot;minyan&quot;, the quorum of at least 10 Jewish adult males needed for communal prayer, served a social function for Jewish men akin to fraternal organizations, or the corner barbershop/bar. A male place. Making women count, took that place away. Making women synagogue officers meant men had half the chance to be leaders. So men have walked away from the Conservative movement. There&#039;s a huge gender disparity on Saturday morning services.

Essentially, almost two centuries of Reform and Conservative Judaism have failed because they decided to be less Jewish.

Who is a Jew? Someone who works hard at having Jewish grandchildren.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why Markowitz, who was not born in the United States, used the word &#8220;secular&#8221; for *Conservative and Reform Jews but since that doesn&#8217;t distinguish them from unaffiliated secular Jews, I think a better term would be heterodox, which distinguishes them from both completely secular Jews and traditional orthodox Jews.</p>
<p>*The Conservative movement was intended almost as a holding strategy between Orthodoxy, which was losing adherents as children of immigrants Americanized and assimilated, and Reform, which had abandoned much of what makes Judaism actually Jewish. It was intended to conserve Jews as traditional Jews. I could argue that it more or less worked for a couple of generations, and many &#8220;Ba&#8217;alei Tshuvah&#8221;, Jews who embraced orthodoxy in the &#8217;70s and &#8217;80s, came from Conservative backgrounds. In general, though, the Conservative approach (eg. driving on Shabbat was permitted if going to synagogue) was really only adopted by a relative handful of affiliated families, and many Jews saw it as either &#8220;orthodox lite&#8221; or &#8220;stricter than Reform&#8221;.</p>
<p>Starting in the 1970s, though, one could start seeing more similarities between the Conservative and Reform laities in terms of levels of religious rituals and commitment. Observance of Kashrut went down, and intermarriage went up. Today the Conservative movement is literally dying out. Synagogues are merging or folding and attendance on Sabbath services is down. The Conservative seminary and rabbinate made a bad mistake in letting the Women&#8217;s League for Conservative Judaism be the driving force in the movement, making changes that made Conservative synagogues less welcoming for men. For centuries, the morning &#8220;minyan&#8221;, the quorum of at least 10 Jewish adult males needed for communal prayer, served a social function for Jewish men akin to fraternal organizations, or the corner barbershop/bar. A male place. Making women count, took that place away. Making women synagogue officers meant men had half the chance to be leaders. So men have walked away from the Conservative movement. There&#8217;s a huge gender disparity on Saturday morning services.</p>
<p>Essentially, almost two centuries of Reform and Conservative Judaism have failed because they decided to be less Jewish.</p>
<p>Who is a Jew? Someone who works hard at having Jewish grandchildren.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Powerline recommended an excellent personal essay about being a Jew in today&#039;s world -- and how the CIA is now an anti-Semitic entity.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/my-mother-cia-antisemitism-israel
My Mother’s Secret BY JUSTINE EL-KHAZEN
&quot;My mother was a top Middle East analyst for the CIA. On her deathbed, she begged me not to raise my children Jewish. To find out why, I asked her former colleagues. I’m still reeling from their answers.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerline recommended an excellent personal essay about being a Jew in today&#8217;s world &#8212; and how the CIA is now an anti-Semitic entity.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/my-mother-cia-antisemitism-israel" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/my-mother-cia-antisemitism-israel</a><br />
My Mother’s Secret BY JUSTINE EL-KHAZEN<br />
&#8220;My mother was a top Middle East analyst for the CIA. On her deathbed, she begged me not to raise my children Jewish. To find out why, I asked her former colleagues. I’m still reeling from their answers.&#8221;</p>
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		By: miguel+cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel+cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[conversely they could go over to the more orthodox synagogues, where they would learn the Law, but what fun would that be,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conversely they could go over to the more orthodox synagogues, where they would learn the Law, but what fun would that be,</p>
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		By: KyPerson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a Catholic saint who was born into a very conservative, observant Jewish family.  Later she became an atheist and got her PhD in philosophy under Edmund Husserl.  She read the autobiography of St. Teresa of Avila and became a Catholic and then later joined the Carmelite order that Teresa had reformed.  When the Nazis came after the Jews where she lived in the convent in Cologne, her order sent her to the Netherlands.  But when the Netherlands fell to the Nazis, she was sent to Auschwitz and killed there.  Her religious name was Teresa Benedicta of the Cross but she is best know as Edith Stein.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a Catholic saint who was born into a very conservative, observant Jewish family.  Later she became an atheist and got her PhD in philosophy under Edmund Husserl.  She read the autobiography of St. Teresa of Avila and became a Catholic and then later joined the Carmelite order that Teresa had reformed.  When the Nazis came after the Jews where she lived in the convent in Cologne, her order sent her to the Netherlands.  But when the Netherlands fell to the Nazis, she was sent to Auschwitz and killed there.  Her religious name was Teresa Benedicta of the Cross but she is best know as Edith Stein.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Esther, 3:12 a.m., sees the Markowicz essay as its author intended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Esther, 3:12 a.m., sees the Markowicz essay as its author intended.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 08:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not exactly a church. More like a delicatessen....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly a church. More like a delicatessen&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Esther		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Esther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 08:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How I took the essay is that Karol Markowicz is making the case that an overly leftwing “secular Judaism” has corrupted the Reform and Conservative denominations.  

She seems to be trying to explain to the Jews caught up in it, that it is politics, not religiously based, and not Judaism— and it’s dangerous, run away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I took the essay is that Karol Markowicz is making the case that an overly leftwing “secular Judaism” has corrupted the Reform and Conservative denominations.  </p>
<p>She seems to be trying to explain to the Jews caught up in it, that it is politics, not religiously based, and not Judaism— and it’s dangerous, run away.</p>
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