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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only damage to Mann, imho, has been done by himself.

At this point he would not be welcome in my home or at any dinner where I was hosting.  He is an utterly despicable human being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only damage to Mann, imho, has been done by himself.</p>
<p>At this point he would not be welcome in my home or at any dinner where I was hosting.  He is an utterly despicable human being.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[he thought it would not work, yes its a question of scale and proportion, but the likes of mann and oppenheimer, who pioneered this tactic of catastrophic outcomes sans actual evidence, which I first saw illustrated in a novel by Whitley Striebers&#039; Collaborator Kinetka, later James Burke&#039;s After the Warming, used similar scenarios, had the hockey stick come into being yet, this was around 1992,

Daniel Yergin suggests in his follow up to the Prize, that there was some basis for some of the data from Callender, a contemporary or Rivele, who was one of Gore&#039;s professors, but after the ECRU hack, I have my doubts,

after they demoneticized anthony watts blog, I&#039;m further skeptical, when you see that their goal is a variation on what they say will be the result, a mass die off, even concern,

the Klaus like villain in Kingsman, says as much to his spy interlocutor, the temperature readings are beside the point, that film whose centerpiece is a mountain lair much like Davos suggested too frankly the mindset of our ruling classes,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he thought it would not work, yes its a question of scale and proportion, but the likes of mann and oppenheimer, who pioneered this tactic of catastrophic outcomes sans actual evidence, which I first saw illustrated in a novel by Whitley Striebers&#8217; Collaborator Kinetka, later James Burke&#8217;s After the Warming, used similar scenarios, had the hockey stick come into being yet, this was around 1992,</p>
<p>Daniel Yergin suggests in his follow up to the Prize, that there was some basis for some of the data from Callender, a contemporary or Rivele, who was one of Gore&#8217;s professors, but after the ECRU hack, I have my doubts,</p>
<p>after they demoneticized anthony watts blog, I&#8217;m further skeptical, when you see that their goal is a variation on what they say will be the result, a mass die off, even concern,</p>
<p>the Klaus like villain in Kingsman, says as much to his spy interlocutor, the temperature readings are beside the point, that film whose centerpiece is a mountain lair much like Davos suggested too frankly the mindset of our ruling classes,</p>
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		By: Donzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel, I am sure I forgot a lot of nonsense from the past.

If you want to put the current climate hysteria in perspective:

Annual useful solar energy received by earth (i.e., what runs the tides, weather, photosynthesis, etc.) = 297 billion barrels of oil equivalent/day

Current hydrocarbon production = 386 million barrels of oil equivalent/day

Hydrocarbons as % of useful solar = 0.1299%

A 1% change in solar flux (happens all the time) is the same as a seven-fold increase  in hydrocarbon use.  And yet, we are supposed to believe that this hydrocarbon tail wags the solar dog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel, I am sure I forgot a lot of nonsense from the past.</p>
<p>If you want to put the current climate hysteria in perspective:</p>
<p>Annual useful solar energy received by earth (i.e., what runs the tides, weather, photosynthesis, etc.) = 297 billion barrels of oil equivalent/day</p>
<p>Current hydrocarbon production = 386 million barrels of oil equivalent/day</p>
<p>Hydrocarbons as % of useful solar = 0.1299%</p>
<p>A 1% change in solar flux (happens all the time) is the same as a seven-fold increase  in hydrocarbon use.  And yet, we are supposed to believe that this hydrocarbon tail wags the solar dog.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you forgot William Leahy&#039;s remark about the atom bomb,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forgot William Leahy&#8217;s remark about the atom bomb,</p>
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		By: Donzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 16:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This crusade against wrongthink and wrongspeak goes deeper, affecting whether students will be admitted to the study of climate related disciplines - think, energy economics, environmental studies, atmospheric chemistry, meteorology, etc.  Even those who agree that humans can and currently do affect climate, the &quot;Lukewarmers&quot;, must sign on to the entire program (It&#039;s all the human produced CO2, natural sources have no role in climate chemistry or weather) or be subjected to banishment and ridicule.  

For those few who get through the academic sieves, professional opportunities will dwindle rapidly once the &#039;denier&#039; label is placed on someone.  Whether it is academic appointments, consulting engagements for energy investment projects, environmental impact assessments, membership on professional teams of environmental or energy scientists, or even speaking opportunities at professional conferences - the &#039;science is settled&#039;, there is no more to be discovered.

And on that score:

&quot;X-rays will prove to be a hoax&quot;
Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883

Albert Einstein, 1932 &quot;There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be
shattered at will.&quot;

&quot;The abdomen, the chest and the brain will
forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon&quot;
Sir John Eric Ericson, Surgeon to Queen Victoria, 1870&#039;s

&quot;Louis Pasteur&#039;s theory of germs
is ridiculous fiction&quot;
Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872

&quot;We are probably nearing the limit of
all we can know about astronomy&quot;
Simon Newcomb, Astronomer, 1888

And here are 18 more failed predictions made on the first Earth Day (1970) by the Great and the Good of that era:  https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This crusade against wrongthink and wrongspeak goes deeper, affecting whether students will be admitted to the study of climate related disciplines &#8211; think, energy economics, environmental studies, atmospheric chemistry, meteorology, etc.  Even those who agree that humans can and currently do affect climate, the &#8220;Lukewarmers&#8221;, must sign on to the entire program (It&#8217;s all the human produced CO2, natural sources have no role in climate chemistry or weather) or be subjected to banishment and ridicule.  </p>
<p>For those few who get through the academic sieves, professional opportunities will dwindle rapidly once the &#8216;denier&#8217; label is placed on someone.  Whether it is academic appointments, consulting engagements for energy investment projects, environmental impact assessments, membership on professional teams of environmental or energy scientists, or even speaking opportunities at professional conferences &#8211; the &#8216;science is settled&#8217;, there is no more to be discovered.</p>
<p>And on that score:</p>
<p>&#8220;X-rays will prove to be a hoax&#8221;<br />
Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883</p>
<p>Albert Einstein, 1932 &#8220;There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be<br />
shattered at will.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The abdomen, the chest and the brain will<br />
forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon&#8221;<br />
Sir John Eric Ericson, Surgeon to Queen Victoria, 1870&#8217;s</p>
<p>&#8220;Louis Pasteur&#8217;s theory of germs<br />
is ridiculous fiction&#8221;<br />
Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872</p>
<p>&#8220;We are probably nearing the limit of<br />
all we can know about astronomy&#8221;<br />
Simon Newcomb, Astronomer, 1888</p>
<p>And here are 18 more failed predictions made on the first Earth Day (1970) by the Great and the Good of that era:  <a href="https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/</a></p>
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		By: Jerry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Donb, wrongthink, wrongspeak, and in the E. Jean Carroll case, wrongparty have all been made, if not quite illegal, very, very expensive. DC courts have at least two more opportunities to make the third on the list illegal. And at that point Democracy will have been saved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donb, wrongthink, wrongspeak, and in the E. Jean Carroll case, wrongparty have all been made, if not quite illegal, very, very expensive. DC courts have at least two more opportunities to make the third on the list illegal. And at that point Democracy will have been saved.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/02/09/steyn-loses-and-mann-wins-in-hockey-stick-defamation-trial/#comment-2722626</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe our elected officials could work from home. The agencies could be evenly spread out over the nation, including the Terrtories. The citizens of DC could be wired off and supplied with such C-Rations as might still be found in various depots.
 I kid. Sort of,but it beats nuking the place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe our elected officials could work from home. The agencies could be evenly spread out over the nation, including the Terrtories. The citizens of DC could be wired off and supplied with such C-Rations as might still be found in various depots.<br />
 I kid. Sort of,but it beats nuking the place.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just The News has done an unusually lengthy post-verdict assessment on late Friday night. Entitled “Celebrity climate scientist’s libel suit win raises concerns about free speech protections.”

And much more, such as Judith Curry’s defamation by The Mann is added.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/celebrity-climate-scientists-victory-libel-suit-raises-concerns-about-free]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just The News has done an unusually lengthy post-verdict assessment on late Friday night. Entitled “Celebrity climate scientist’s libel suit win raises concerns about free speech protections.”</p>
<p>And much more, such as Judith Curry’s defamation by The Mann is added.<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/celebrity-climate-scientists-victory-libel-suit-raises-concerns-about-free" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/celebrity-climate-scientists-victory-libel-suit-raises-concerns-about-free</a></p>
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		By: donb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 07:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$1 Million &quot;punitive damages so that in the future, no one will dare engage in &#039;climate denialism&#039;&quot; is the fine for wrongthink and wrongspeak, and should you commit an act of the same, you may also be similarly fined!

Wrongthink and wrongspeak have now been officially prohibited by a decree of the court (without any such law having been enacted).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1 Million &#8220;punitive damages so that in the future, no one will dare engage in &#8216;climate denialism'&#8221; is the fine for wrongthink and wrongspeak, and should you commit an act of the same, you may also be similarly fined!</p>
<p>Wrongthink and wrongspeak have now been officially prohibited by a decree of the court (without any such law having been enacted).</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 05:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley et al,

Mann also falsely accused Curry of &quot;sleeping her way&quot; to her PhD and spread that rumor in the scientific community. A real class act, that guy.

I listened to two days of testimony excerpt re-enactments on Phileem McAleer and Ann McIlhenny&#039;s podcast. Those two days happened to coincide with Michael Mann&#039;s time on the stand in the trial.

The case should have been thrown out before it reached trial. There is no demonstrable way Mann was damaged. Steyn and Simberg&#039;s attorney both clearly demonstrated that Mann&#039;s income and speaking engagements soared after the articles were published and Mann&#039;s one example of reputation damage was a dirty look he claimed he got in a grocery store. Steyn and Simberg&#039;s attorneys gave example after example where Mann showed himself to be a thin skinned narcissist, including often claiming he won a Nobel Prize.

A true, travesty of justice.

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/climate-change-on-trial/id1713827256

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6jDpaNT18Yg0t8kIvfV0Du]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley et al,</p>
<p>Mann also falsely accused Curry of &#8220;sleeping her way&#8221; to her PhD and spread that rumor in the scientific community. A real class act, that guy.</p>
<p>I listened to two days of testimony excerpt re-enactments on Phileem McAleer and Ann McIlhenny&#8217;s podcast. Those two days happened to coincide with Michael Mann&#8217;s time on the stand in the trial.</p>
<p>The case should have been thrown out before it reached trial. There is no demonstrable way Mann was damaged. Steyn and Simberg&#8217;s attorney both clearly demonstrated that Mann&#8217;s income and speaking engagements soared after the articles were published and Mann&#8217;s one example of reputation damage was a dirty look he claimed he got in a grocery store. Steyn and Simberg&#8217;s attorneys gave example after example where Mann showed himself to be a thin skinned narcissist, including often claiming he won a Nobel Prize.</p>
<p>A true, travesty of justice.</p>
<p>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/climate-change-on-trial/id1713827256" rel="nofollow ugc">https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/climate-change-on-trial/id1713827256</a></p>
<p>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6jDpaNT18Yg0t8kIvfV0Du" rel="nofollow ugc">https://open.spotify.com/show/6jDpaNT18Yg0t8kIvfV0Du</a></p>
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