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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/02/02/open-thread-2-2-24/#comment-2721520</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 09:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile, as &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1753642928684118144&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Victoria Nuland travels to Ukraine to announce expensive lethality upgrades&lt;/a&gt;, China, whom we are heavily borrowing from, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/02/02/once-hesitant-china-lends-full-support-russian-invasion-ukraine-anniversary-nears/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt; proclaims they are all in with Russia&lt;/a&gt;. China did the math and it looks like a win-win-win. The more they support Russia, the more we borrow from them, and the more advanced military hardware gets stashed in the Ukraine laundromat for Russia to collect and share with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, as <a href="https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1753642928684118144" rel="nofollow ugc">Victoria Nuland travels to Ukraine to announce expensive lethality upgrades</a>, China, whom we are heavily borrowing from, <a href="https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/02/02/once-hesitant-china-lends-full-support-russian-invasion-ukraine-anniversary-nears/" rel="nofollow ugc"> proclaims they are all in with Russia</a>. China did the math and it looks like a win-win-win. The more they support Russia, the more we borrow from them, and the more advanced military hardware gets stashed in the Ukraine laundromat for Russia to collect and share with them.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 05:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Often in the course of human events we humans miss key human events that will have a great impact on future human events.&lt;/i&gt;

Rufus:

I can&#039;t locate the quote, but in my AI researches I&#039;ve run into the claim that by definition you won&#039;t realize you&#039;ve reached the Singularity until it&#039;s too late.

The Singularity being when current AI technology augmented by other tech surpasses human intelligence, becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, leading to rapid advancements beyond our ability to predict or comprehend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Often in the course of human events we humans miss key human events that will have a great impact on future human events.</i></p>
<p>Rufus:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t locate the quote, but in my AI researches I&#8217;ve run into the claim that by definition you won&#8217;t realize you&#8217;ve reached the Singularity until it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>The Singularity being when current AI technology augmented by other tech surpasses human intelligence, becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, leading to rapid advancements beyond our ability to predict or comprehend.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 05:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm...Chat disagrees with Peterson on the first claim but mostly agrees on the second.
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;For 2023, the GDP per capita in Canada was reported to be $53,246.98. Meanwhile, the per capita personal income in Mississippi for the third quarter of 2023 was $48,199.&lt;/b&gt; This comparison shows that Canada&#039;s GDP per capita was higher than the per capita personal income in Mississippi for the same period...

Yes, an analysis from the Business Council of British Columbia, referencing an OECD report, indeed &lt;b&gt;predicts Canada to be the least performing advanced economy over the next decade and even further into the future.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;
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I know that I could have googled this stuff, but it was much easier to Better Call Chat. I wonder how Peterson got to his claim of Canada vs Mississippi GDP per capita.

For the overall US GPD per capita Chat says:
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The US GDP per capita for the fourth quarter of 2023 was reported to be $83,170&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
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So Canada may not be worse off than Mississippi but they are running considerably behind the US.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;Chat disagrees with Peterson on the first claim but mostly agrees on the second.<br />
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<p><i><b>For 2023, the GDP per capita in Canada was reported to be $53,246.98. Meanwhile, the per capita personal income in Mississippi for the third quarter of 2023 was $48,199.</b> This comparison shows that Canada&#8217;s GDP per capita was higher than the per capita personal income in Mississippi for the same period&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, an analysis from the Business Council of British Columbia, referencing an OECD report, indeed <b>predicts Canada to be the least performing advanced economy over the next decade and even further into the future.</b> </i><br />
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<p>I know that I could have googled this stuff, but it was much easier to Better Call Chat. I wonder how Peterson got to his claim of Canada vs Mississippi GDP per capita.</p>
<p>For the overall US GPD per capita Chat says:<br />
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<p><i><b>The US GDP per capita for the fourth quarter of 2023 was reported to be $83,170</b></i><br />
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<p>So Canada may not be worse off than Mississippi but they are running considerably behind the US.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/02/02/open-thread-2-2-24/#comment-2721508</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 05:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was rather shocked by this snippet:
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&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s very disruptive to raise your children on a sinking ship, and &lt;b&gt;if you don&#039;t think Canada is a sinking ship, you&#039;re an idiot. We now make less per capita than people in Mississippi.&lt;/b&gt; We&#039;re worse off than the people in the worst-off state in the US. Yeah, it&#039;s a race to the bottom. &lt;b&gt;The OECD predicts that we&#039;ll be the worst-performing country in the developed world for the next three decades.&lt;/b&gt;

--Jordan Petrerson, &quot;Canada is a sinking ship&quot; [2:47]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_4O0mAzZQ&lt;/i&gt;
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I knew their freedoms have been seriously eroding (Hi Jordan!), but I didn&#039;t realize their economy was tanking too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was rather shocked by this snippet:<br />
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<p><i>It&#8217;s very disruptive to raise your children on a sinking ship, and <b>if you don&#8217;t think Canada is a sinking ship, you&#8217;re an idiot. We now make less per capita than people in Mississippi.</b> We&#8217;re worse off than the people in the worst-off state in the US. Yeah, it&#8217;s a race to the bottom. <b>The OECD predicts that we&#8217;ll be the worst-performing country in the developed world for the next three decades.</b></p>
<p>&#8211;Jordan Petrerson, &#8220;Canada is a sinking ship&#8221; [2:47]<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_4O0mAzZQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_4O0mAzZQ</a></i><br />
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<p>I knew their freedoms have been seriously eroding (Hi Jordan!), but I didn&#8217;t realize their economy was tanking too.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 04:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if there will be more terrorist attacks on conservative foundations? 
“THEY FIREBOMBED MY OFFICE” (John Hinderaker)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/they-firebombed-my-office.php
(Noted by Barry yesterday)
&lt;blockquote&gt;At around 2 am, they broke into the building that houses Center of the American Experiment and two other conservative organizations with which we often collaborate, along with many other businesses. The arsonists set two fires: one was in the first floor corridor between American Experiment’s office and the space we sublease to Take Charge, Kendall and Sheila Qualls’ organization. A second fire was set on the third floor, immediately outside or perhaps actually inside the office of the Upper Midwest Law Center, on whose board I serve. This photo shows what the corridor outside my office looks like:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There have been several posts at PL since then and some related stories in the &quot;Picks&quot; headlines.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/after-the-fire.php
&lt;blockquote&gt;We are all used to being attacked on Twitter, and so on, and I have gotten a few death threats over the years. But having someone actually try to burn down your office is something completely different.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-atf-investigate-arson-targeting-three-conservative-groups-in-minnesota/
&lt;blockquote&gt;The perpetrators burned three offices belonging to the Center of the American Experiment, the Upper Midwest Law Center, and TakeCharge. The arson resulted in significant fire damage to the office building. All three groups are located inside the same building in Golden Valley, Minn., a suburb roughly seven miles west of Minneapolis.
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No perpetrators have been identified yet, although American Experiment president and UMLC board member John Hinderaker believes leftists specifically targeted the three organizations.

“The fires obviously were set by someone,” Hinderaker said in the press release. “They targeted conservative organizations, they didn’t firebomb the chiropractors or psychologists or the Manufacturers Alliance. We are cooperating with the FBI to try to identify the perpetrators.”

&lt;b&gt;When asked by National Review who he thinks was behind the incident, Hinderaker said it could be any group that isn’t fond of American Experiment and its policies. &lt;/b&gt;The think tank, for example, has opposed wind- and solar-energy projects, supported local police after the Black Lives Matter riots following George Floyd’s death, and recently announced that former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett will speak at its annual dinner in June.

Because of American Experiment’s stances on these issues, Hinderaker said the possible perpetrators could have been eco-terrorists, Antifa-type groups, or Hamas supporters.

The conservative organization has also been critical of Democratic governor Tim Walz’s administration, he noted.

“There’s really just a wide spectrum of people on the left, and it’s not hard to say who doesn’t like us,” Hinderaker said. “What’s hard to say is who in the world would actually try to burn down our offices. It’s one thing to be attacked on Twitter. It’s something else to have somebody firebomb your office.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If the Left starts down this road, and particularly if the perps are identified and not prosecuted (or &quot;never found&quot; like the pipe-bombers of J6), I think we can guarantee a Civil War will result sooner rather than later.

This bombing, which is the first undeniable terrorist attack on a conservative think tank that I know of, might satisfy the criteria Rufus set for a major tuning point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there will be more terrorist attacks on conservative foundations?<br />
“THEY FIREBOMBED MY OFFICE” (John Hinderaker)<br />
<a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/they-firebombed-my-office.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/they-firebombed-my-office.php</a><br />
(Noted by Barry yesterday)</p>
<blockquote><p>At around 2 am, they broke into the building that houses Center of the American Experiment and two other conservative organizations with which we often collaborate, along with many other businesses. The arsonists set two fires: one was in the first floor corridor between American Experiment’s office and the space we sublease to Take Charge, Kendall and Sheila Qualls’ organization. A second fire was set on the third floor, immediately outside or perhaps actually inside the office of the Upper Midwest Law Center, on whose board I serve. This photo shows what the corridor outside my office looks like:
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<p>There have been several posts at PL since then and some related stories in the &#8220;Picks&#8221; headlines.<br />
<a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/after-the-fire.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/after-the-fire.php</a></p>
<blockquote><p>We are all used to being attacked on Twitter, and so on, and I have gotten a few death threats over the years. But having someone actually try to burn down your office is something completely different.
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<p><a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-atf-investigate-arson-targeting-three-conservative-groups-in-minnesota/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-atf-investigate-arson-targeting-three-conservative-groups-in-minnesota/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The perpetrators burned three offices belonging to the Center of the American Experiment, the Upper Midwest Law Center, and TakeCharge. The arson resulted in significant fire damage to the office building. All three groups are located inside the same building in Golden Valley, Minn., a suburb roughly seven miles west of Minneapolis.<br />
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No perpetrators have been identified yet, although American Experiment president and UMLC board member John Hinderaker believes leftists specifically targeted the three organizations.</p>
<p>“The fires obviously were set by someone,” Hinderaker said in the press release. “They targeted conservative organizations, they didn’t firebomb the chiropractors or psychologists or the Manufacturers Alliance. We are cooperating with the FBI to try to identify the perpetrators.”</p>
<p><b>When asked by National Review who he thinks was behind the incident, Hinderaker said it could be any group that isn’t fond of American Experiment and its policies. </b>The think tank, for example, has opposed wind- and solar-energy projects, supported local police after the Black Lives Matter riots following George Floyd’s death, and recently announced that former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett will speak at its annual dinner in June.</p>
<p>Because of American Experiment’s stances on these issues, Hinderaker said the possible perpetrators could have been eco-terrorists, Antifa-type groups, or Hamas supporters.</p>
<p>The conservative organization has also been critical of Democratic governor Tim Walz’s administration, he noted.</p>
<p>“There’s really just a wide spectrum of people on the left, and it’s not hard to say who doesn’t like us,” Hinderaker said. “What’s hard to say is who in the world would actually try to burn down our offices. It’s one thing to be attacked on Twitter. It’s something else to have somebody firebomb your office.”
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<p>If the Left starts down this road, and particularly if the perps are identified and not prosecuted (or &#8220;never found&#8221; like the pipe-bombers of J6), I think we can guarantee a Civil War will result sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>This bombing, which is the first undeniable terrorist attack on a conservative think tank that I know of, might satisfy the criteria Rufus set for a major tuning point.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 04:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Rufus &#062; &quot;But most things that end up changing your life are little noted when they start.&quot;

The Black Swan Effect; the Tipping Point; the Preference Cascade -- all are started by something that seems trivial at the time. 

Much as I admire the ARC Advisory Board for including about a dozen people I recognize and generally agree with, the founding of another Think Tank is in a different league of World Changing. I would put the Federalist Society in that league because of their work increasing the number of conservative judges; FIRE for holding the line in education for freedom of speech and concomitant liberties; and maybe a few others FDD, AEF, Prager U, and the foundation which provides legal defenses -- the name escapes me -- for people persecuted by the State.

&quot;If you were alive in 1971 did you know a business Professor named Klaus Schwab invited some business executives to a conference in Davos, Switzerland?&quot;

With our increasing technological ability to get to the root and source of things these days, it seems to me that we are discovering how many &quot;world changing&quot; movements did, as you say, go generally unremarked in the beginning. OTOH, did even Professor Schwab predict how dominant his conference would become, or was that his plan from the start?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rufus &gt; &#8220;But most things that end up changing your life are little noted when they start.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Black Swan Effect; the Tipping Point; the Preference Cascade &#8212; all are started by something that seems trivial at the time. </p>
<p>Much as I admire the ARC Advisory Board for including about a dozen people I recognize and generally agree with, the founding of another Think Tank is in a different league of World Changing. I would put the Federalist Society in that league because of their work increasing the number of conservative judges; FIRE for holding the line in education for freedom of speech and concomitant liberties; and maybe a few others FDD, AEF, Prager U, and the foundation which provides legal defenses &#8212; the name escapes me &#8212; for people persecuted by the State.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you were alive in 1971 did you know a business Professor named Klaus Schwab invited some business executives to a conference in Davos, Switzerland?&#8221;</p>
<p>With our increasing technological ability to get to the root and source of things these days, it seems to me that we are discovering how many &#8220;world changing&#8221; movements did, as you say, go generally unremarked in the beginning. OTOH, did even Professor Schwab predict how dominant his conference would become, or was that his plan from the start?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 04:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ miguel &#038; Rufus &#062; &quot;State-owned companies are sold off &#038; massive deregulation introduced&quot;

Milei closing multiple government departments &#038; agencies on Day One was great.
However, the effects of this move will depend on to whom the companies were sold under what terms (see: USSR) and which regulations were removed.

The USA has to resist any and every move to increase the number of state-owned (and federal-owned) companies (of course they exist, just not as blatantly as in full-on-socialist countries), although I don&#039;t think those are nearly the problem in number and effect as government-controlled companies (through regulations, intimidation, and subsidies).

One of Trump&#039;s major accomplishments was the reduction in government regulations; if only he had been able to keep that up! (Or down?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ miguel &amp; Rufus &gt; &#8220;State-owned companies are sold off &amp; massive deregulation introduced&#8221;</p>
<p>Milei closing multiple government departments &amp; agencies on Day One was great.<br />
However, the effects of this move will depend on to whom the companies were sold under what terms (see: USSR) and which regulations were removed.</p>
<p>The USA has to resist any and every move to increase the number of state-owned (and federal-owned) companies (of course they exist, just not as blatantly as in full-on-socialist countries), although I don&#8217;t think those are nearly the problem in number and effect as government-controlled companies (through regulations, intimidation, and subsidies).</p>
<p>One of Trump&#8217;s major accomplishments was the reduction in government regulations; if only he had been able to keep that up! (Or down?)</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel,

That is incredible news! Thanks for sharing that!

If this experiment is allowed to play out in Latin America it could finally lead to long term, positive economic change for the region.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel,</p>
<p>That is incredible news! Thanks for sharing that!</p>
<p>If this experiment is allowed to play out in Latin America it could finally lead to long term, positive economic change for the region.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 01:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some good news

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1753565745500365229]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good news</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1753565745500365229" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1753565745500365229</a></p>
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		By: TR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 00:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi huxley,

 Thanks for the info. :)

 Yeah, it&#039;s lucky that things turned out well for Steven Stills.

  CS + N is a favorite band of mine. :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi huxley,</p>
<p> Thanks for the info. 🙂</p>
<p> Yeah, it&#8217;s lucky that things turned out well for Steven Stills.</p>
<p>  CS + N is a favorite band of mine. 😀</p>
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