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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 15:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another live one


https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1752330991882965039]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another live one</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1752330991882965039" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1752330991882965039</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh really


https://twitter.com/Knizek_Stephen/status/1752343130500677970]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh really</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/Knizek_Stephen/status/1752343130500677970" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/Knizek_Stephen/status/1752343130500677970</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720910</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.barrons.com/news/spanish-farmers-to-join-european-protests-d251fec4]]></description>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: After several years of trying to avoid it, Evergrande, China&#039;s largest real estate developer, was finally ordered into bankruptcy.

This is a major liquidation, and a sledge hammer blow to the Chinese economy--because 30% of China&#039;s GDP is reportedly produced by their real estate sector, and a reported 70% of individual&#039;s assets are invested in real estate--which it&#039;s likely the ruling CCP would want to avoid.

Funny, how the news is reported, and the devil is in the details.

There are lots of stories about this major development, but I noticed that many of these stories do not report the whole story, and do not emphasize certain key facts.

First, that this ruling was by a Hong Kong court--a court ruling which, one would think, would have limited effect unless OK&#039;d by the Communist government of mainland China.

Second, that, according to some reports, such a liquidation order would apparently have to be accepted by each province in which Evergrande--which currently has something like 3,400 projects completed or in progress throughout China--has property which could be seized by creditors.

So this &quot;bankruptcy&quot; order may be far less of a bombshell than some reporting made it out to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: After several years of trying to avoid it, Evergrande, China&#8217;s largest real estate developer, was finally ordered into bankruptcy.</p>
<p>This is a major liquidation, and a sledge hammer blow to the Chinese economy&#8211;because 30% of China&#8217;s GDP is reportedly produced by their real estate sector, and a reported 70% of individual&#8217;s assets are invested in real estate&#8211;which it&#8217;s likely the ruling CCP would want to avoid.</p>
<p>Funny, how the news is reported, and the devil is in the details.</p>
<p>There are lots of stories about this major development, but I noticed that many of these stories do not report the whole story, and do not emphasize certain key facts.</p>
<p>First, that this ruling was by a Hong Kong court&#8211;a court ruling which, one would think, would have limited effect unless OK&#8217;d by the Communist government of mainland China.</p>
<p>Second, that, according to some reports, such a liquidation order would apparently have to be accepted by each province in which Evergrande&#8211;which currently has something like 3,400 projects completed or in progress throughout China&#8211;has property which could be seized by creditors.</p>
<p>So this &#8220;bankruptcy&#8221; order may be far less of a bombshell than some reporting made it out to be.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...for the greater good...&quot;

The Democratic Party&#039;s M.O. &quot;to a T&quot;...
AKA &quot;Fundamental Transformation&quot;(TM).

(It&#039;s the reason why things are going so swimmingly...in every sphere....)

Recipe: 
1. REPEAT NON-STOP the lies that your policies are a grand success, that you&#039;re going great guns, that you&#039;re succeeding like no one has before.
2. MAKE SURE you have some Emanuel Goldmanesque target to blame when the actual TRUTH about your policies threatens to become obvious and overwhelming.
3. MAKE DOUBLE-EXTRA-SUPER SURE that the Media&#039;s on your side.
4. Wash, rinse, repeat...FOREVER (preferably with your boot on your scapegoats&#039; faces...)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;for the greater good&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The Democratic Party&#8217;s M.O. &#8220;to a T&#8221;&#8230;<br />
AKA &#8220;Fundamental Transformation&#8221;(TM).</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s the reason why things are going so swimmingly&#8230;in every sphere&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Recipe:<br />
1. REPEAT NON-STOP the lies that your policies are a grand success, that you&#8217;re going great guns, that you&#8217;re succeeding like no one has before.<br />
2. MAKE SURE you have some Emanuel Goldmanesque target to blame when the actual TRUTH about your policies threatens to become obvious and overwhelming.<br />
3. MAKE DOUBLE-EXTRA-SUPER SURE that the Media&#8217;s on your side.<br />
4. Wash, rinse, repeat&#8230;FOREVER (preferably with your boot on your scapegoats&#8217; faces&#8230;)!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry linked a post to Liberty Unyielding in the Omar comments, and this was in their sidebar.
Cool!
https://libertyunyielding.com/2024/01/28/japan-lands-on-the-moon/

It wasn&#039;t manned, but this was my first thought anyway:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/92053.Garden_on_the_Moon

This was the best review, naturellement.
https://www.sfintranslation.com/?p=11464
&quot;This is part of a series on French author Pierre Boulle.&quot;
Teaser: &quot;Garden on the Moon is a unique tale in that it begins as fictionalized history and then turns into, what was for Boulle, speculative fiction but what is, for us now in 2022, alternative history. I know–it’s a bit confusing. ... Nonetheless, the race to the moon was real in the early Cold War era and it was anyone’s guess who would get there first (the Americans? the Russians? another country?). So what that Boulle’s guess didn’t turn out to be the right one? I actually think he was counting on it....Sometimes Boulle drops us in the minds of Russian scientists, sometimes in that of the Japanese aerospace engineer Dr. Kanashima. In the vein of all good unexpected endings, it is the scientist we are least likely to expect who stuns the world and reaches the moon first–all because he came up with a radical solution to the decades-old problem of how to return the astronauts from the moon to Earth.&quot;

Full text here, if you have member borrowing privileges:
https://archive.org/details/gardenonmoon00boul/page/n5/mode/2up]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry linked a post to Liberty Unyielding in the Omar comments, and this was in their sidebar.<br />
Cool!<br />
<a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2024/01/28/japan-lands-on-the-moon/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2024/01/28/japan-lands-on-the-moon/</a></p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t manned, but this was my first thought anyway:<br />
<a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/92053.Garden_on_the_Moon" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/92053.Garden_on_the_Moon</a></p>
<p>This was the best review, naturellement.<br />
<a href="https://www.sfintranslation.com/?p=11464" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sfintranslation.com/?p=11464</a><br />
&#8220;This is part of a series on French author Pierre Boulle.&#8221;<br />
Teaser: &#8220;Garden on the Moon is a unique tale in that it begins as fictionalized history and then turns into, what was for Boulle, speculative fiction but what is, for us now in 2022, alternative history. I know–it’s a bit confusing. &#8230; Nonetheless, the race to the moon was real in the early Cold War era and it was anyone’s guess who would get there first (the Americans? the Russians? another country?). So what that Boulle’s guess didn’t turn out to be the right one? I actually think he was counting on it&#8230;.Sometimes Boulle drops us in the minds of Russian scientists, sometimes in that of the Japanese aerospace engineer Dr. Kanashima. In the vein of all good unexpected endings, it is the scientist we are least likely to expect who stuns the world and reaches the moon first–all because he came up with a radical solution to the decades-old problem of how to return the astronauts from the moon to Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full text here, if you have member borrowing privileges:<br />
<a href="https://archive.org/details/gardenonmoon00boul/page/n5/mode/2up" rel="nofollow ugc">https://archive.org/details/gardenonmoon00boul/page/n5/mode/2up</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &quot;If a tsunami were coming, it’s a no-brainer.&quot;

That&#039;s why they need signs in California now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &#8220;If a tsunami were coming, it’s a no-brainer.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they need signs in California now.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Barry &#062; most of the other media should likewise change THEIRS to “Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here” (which is far, far more honest than “All the news that’s fit to print”).&#062;

The real thing is on a poster in the NYT staff room: 
&quot;All the news that&#039;s printed to fit the narrative.&quot;

Well, at least the Washington Post&#039;s banner head tells the truth:
&quot;Democracy dies in darkness.&quot;

They are providing all the darkness they can scrape together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barry &gt; most of the other media should likewise change THEIRS to “Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here” (which is far, far more honest than “All the news that’s fit to print”).&gt;</p>
<p>The real thing is on a poster in the NYT staff room:<br />
&#8220;All the news that&#8217;s printed to fit the narrative.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, at least the Washington Post&#8217;s banner head tells the truth:<br />
&#8220;Democracy dies in darkness.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are providing all the darkness they can scrape together.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In San Francisco along the so-called Great Highway -- the four-lane road paralleling the beach -- there are occasional signs indicating &quot;Tsunami Evacuation Route.&quot; 

Which always seemed a bit silly, since that area of SF is a grid and all roads heading east -- away from the ocean -- are pretty much the same. If a tsunami were coming, it&#039;s a no-brainer.

Just head east, like a bat out of hell, for Twin Peaks, which are hard to miss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In San Francisco along the so-called Great Highway &#8212; the four-lane road paralleling the beach &#8212; there are occasional signs indicating &#8220;Tsunami Evacuation Route.&#8221; </p>
<p>Which always seemed a bit silly, since that area of SF is a grid and all roads heading east &#8212; away from the ocean &#8212; are pretty much the same. If a tsunami were coming, it&#8217;s a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Just head east, like a bat out of hell, for Twin Peaks, which are hard to miss.</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/29/open-thread-1-29-24/#comment-2720834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 02:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[80% lowers don’t require background checks nor do 3d printed lowers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80% lowers don’t require background checks nor do 3d printed lowers.</p>
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