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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Tom Grey in re Norm Geras - it seems almost uncanny, given the context of this discussion, that his next-to-last post was about anti-Semitism.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tongue of Tonge
In exactly the same neck of the woods as that last post is a letter from Jenny Tonge in today&#039;s Guardian explaining to Jonathan Freedland &#039;that criticism of Israel and Zionists who support that country is not antisemitism&#039;. No, it isn&#039;t - unless it is. When are Tonge and her co-isn&#039;ters going to cotton on to the possibility of this last bit?

If someone criticized Ralph Miliband for having had wrong-headed Marxist ideas, this wouldn&#039;t in itself be anti-Semitism either. But if the critic happened to be a believer in the myth of a world Bolshevik-Jewish conspiracy, then it just might be. You&#039;d need to look into the critic&#039;s habits of argument to see whether he or she had ever deployed the theme before. Some years ago Tonge (you may or may not happen to remember) delivered herself of the following gem at the the Lib-Dem conference in Brighton:

The Pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the Western World, its financial grips. I think they&#039;ve probably got a certain grip on our party.

Her current protestations about &#039;look[ing] for antisemitism where none exists&#039; appear in a different light coming from a person ready to deploy that particular &#039;traditional&#039; theme.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

BTW, I loved his approach to listing the Best 100 Books, and I am tempted to make one of my own, as soon as I decide which of my favorites should be on it!
I have read some (20) of Norm&#039;s suggestions, and heard of others, but not all.
Too many books, not enough time!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom Grey in re Norm Geras &#8211; it seems almost uncanny, given the context of this discussion, that his next-to-last post was about anti-Semitism.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tongue of Tonge<br />
In exactly the same neck of the woods as that last post is a letter from Jenny Tonge in today&#8217;s Guardian explaining to Jonathan Freedland &#8216;that criticism of Israel and Zionists who support that country is not antisemitism&#8217;. No, it isn&#8217;t &#8211; unless it is. When are Tonge and her co-isn&#8217;ters going to cotton on to the possibility of this last bit?</p>
<p>If someone criticized Ralph Miliband for having had wrong-headed Marxist ideas, this wouldn&#8217;t in itself be anti-Semitism either. But if the critic happened to be a believer in the myth of a world Bolshevik-Jewish conspiracy, then it just might be. You&#8217;d need to look into the critic&#8217;s habits of argument to see whether he or she had ever deployed the theme before. Some years ago Tonge (you may or may not happen to remember) delivered herself of the following gem at the the Lib-Dem conference in Brighton:</p>
<p>The Pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the Western World, its financial grips. I think they&#8217;ve probably got a certain grip on our party.</p>
<p>Her current protestations about &#8216;look[ing] for antisemitism where none exists&#8217; appear in a different light coming from a person ready to deploy that particular &#8216;traditional&#8217; theme.
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<p>BTW, I loved his approach to listing the Best 100 Books, and I am tempted to make one of my own, as soon as I decide which of my favorites should be on it!<br />
I have read some (20) of Norm&#8217;s suggestions, and heard of others, but not all.<br />
Too many books, not enough time!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 23:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey:

Yes, Norm was a good guy, an old-time principled leftist of a type that&#039;s more and more rare these days. And he was very helpful to a blogger like me when I was getting established.

The other thing about the Holocaust that I think made it unique was that the Nazis didn&#039;t confine it to a country or two. They went to country after country and tried (rather successfully) to eradicate their Jews.  Other genocides were far more localized.  Of course, Jews were spread out back then in WWII.  Now, Jews are far more localized.

The mullahs and the Palestinians are well aware of that.

I heard something chilling in a YouTube video the other day. Some religious person was talking - I don&#039;t recall who - and he noted that according to the Bible, the promise was not necessarily to save all Jews, but to save a &lt;i&gt;remnant&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey:</p>
<p>Yes, Norm was a good guy, an old-time principled leftist of a type that&#8217;s more and more rare these days. And he was very helpful to a blogger like me when I was getting established.</p>
<p>The other thing about the Holocaust that I think made it unique was that the Nazis didn&#8217;t confine it to a country or two. They went to country after country and tried (rather successfully) to eradicate their Jews.  Other genocides were far more localized.  Of course, Jews were spread out back then in WWII.  Now, Jews are far more localized.</p>
<p>The mullahs and the Palestinians are well aware of that.</p>
<p>I heard something chilling in a YouTube video the other day. Some religious person was talking &#8211; I don&#8217;t recall who &#8211; and he noted that according to the Bible, the promise was not necessarily to save all Jews, but to save a <i>remnant</i>.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 23:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That 2005 post remains excellent, and I also miss Norm Geras*, the leftist Neo references for the uniqueness argument of it being:
&lt;i&gt;a vile synergy to create an evil that was singular: (1) the &lt;b&gt;industrialization and bureaucratization of death&lt;/b&gt;, using the full resources of a modern state; (2) the &lt;b&gt;comprehensiveness of intent&lt;/b&gt;, in which the aim was to wipe out an entire people for no practical reason; and (3) &lt;b&gt;spiritual murder&lt;/b&gt;, a devotion to destroying the humanity of the victims before killing them, a sort of blanket impulse to sadistically humiliate and dehumanize. &lt;/i&gt;

The industrialization efficiency is what I immediately thought of.  It remains a key unique modern evil, yet a bit at odds with the sadistic humiliation aspect.  Noting that German generals did NOT want their troops getting too much blood lust at murdering Jews and enemies with guns into mass graves, the generals preferred the industrialization.
This is unique as compared to the Muslim genocide of Christian Armenians, the Pol Pot commie genocide of educated Cambodians (25% of all), and the Hutus with machetes killing Tutsis in Rwanda.

On the sadistic &#038; demonization side, it seems that Democrats today want to do that to Trump  -- and possibly in frustration that anti-Trump protests aren&#039;t humiliating Trump, might be more likely to actively divert their Trump hate into enhancing their, previously lower levels of, Jew hate.

Hate of people is fun.
It shouldn&#039;t be -- it should be laughed at as usually irrational.  Evil actions should be hated, the sins; but the humans need love as people.  Tho also justice, so often Tough Love.  

For those interested in a great list of books, Norm left 100 as his last post.
https://normblog.typepad.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 2005 post remains excellent, and I also miss Norm Geras*, the leftist Neo references for the uniqueness argument of it being:<br />
<i>a vile synergy to create an evil that was singular: (1) the <b>industrialization and bureaucratization of death</b>, using the full resources of a modern state; (2) the <b>comprehensiveness of intent</b>, in which the aim was to wipe out an entire people for no practical reason; and (3) <b>spiritual murder</b>, a devotion to destroying the humanity of the victims before killing them, a sort of blanket impulse to sadistically humiliate and dehumanize. </i></p>
<p>The industrialization efficiency is what I immediately thought of.  It remains a key unique modern evil, yet a bit at odds with the sadistic humiliation aspect.  Noting that German generals did NOT want their troops getting too much blood lust at murdering Jews and enemies with guns into mass graves, the generals preferred the industrialization.<br />
This is unique as compared to the Muslim genocide of Christian Armenians, the Pol Pot commie genocide of educated Cambodians (25% of all), and the Hutus with machetes killing Tutsis in Rwanda.</p>
<p>On the sadistic &amp; demonization side, it seems that Democrats today want to do that to Trump  &#8212; and possibly in frustration that anti-Trump protests aren&#8217;t humiliating Trump, might be more likely to actively divert their Trump hate into enhancing their, previously lower levels of, Jew hate.</p>
<p>Hate of people is fun.<br />
It shouldn&#8217;t be &#8212; it should be laughed at as usually irrational.  Evil actions should be hated, the sins; but the humans need love as people.  Tho also justice, so often Tough Love.  </p>
<p>For those interested in a great list of books, Norm left 100 as his last post.<br />
<a href="https://normblog.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://normblog.typepad.com/</a></p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the German Muhajid, or Unfinished Business,

yes they did but it didn&#039;t last, very long,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the German Muhajid, or Unfinished Business,</p>
<p>yes they did but it didn&#8217;t last, very long,</p>
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		By: Bill Serra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Serra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re Arabs.
Didn&#039;t Nasser change Egypt&#039;s name to the United Arab Republic in 1958?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re Arabs.<br />
Didn&#8217;t Nasser change Egypt&#8217;s name to the United Arab Republic in 1958?</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 05:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes&lt;blockquote&gt;many small and large fish seemed to slip through Aribert Heim, who seem to have inspire a character in Boualem Sansals novel about the Cursed Algeria, Wolfgang Leers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which of his books?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes</p>
<blockquote><p>many small and large fish seemed to slip through Aribert Heim, who seem to have inspire a character in Boualem Sansals novel about the Cursed Algeria, Wolfgang Leers</p></blockquote>
<p>Which of his books?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[MIguel cervantes:

Yes, earlier I did some research on Khalidi and discovered such interesting things about his paternal heritage.  Maybe I&#039;ll write a post sometime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIguel cervantes:</p>
<p>Yes, earlier I did some research on Khalidi and discovered such interesting things about his paternal heritage.  Maybe I&#8217;ll write a post sometime.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did catch part of the nuremberg documentary, some of the statements the likes of schacht, the Reichbank president made to get himself off the noose, were risible, of course he later found a gig as a counselor for Saudi oil interests, and one of the characters in our man in havana, were based on him, the doctor who confers with wurmold,

we&#039;ve referrenced Skorzeny in the past, the hulking brute that rescued Mussolini that organized that guerilla operation in the Ardennes, then rotated between Egypt Argentina and Spain in the post war era, with some stops in Ireland, in the former location he trained the Fedayeen, Arafat&#039;s precursor militia,

many small and large fish seemed to slip through Aribert Heim, who seem to have inspire a character in Boualem Sansals novel about the Cursed Algeria, Wolfgang Leers,
who also adopted an Arab kunya,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did catch part of the nuremberg documentary, some of the statements the likes of schacht, the Reichbank president made to get himself off the noose, were risible, of course he later found a gig as a counselor for Saudi oil interests, and one of the characters in our man in havana, were based on him, the doctor who confers with wurmold,</p>
<p>we&#8217;ve referrenced Skorzeny in the past, the hulking brute that rescued Mussolini that organized that guerilla operation in the Ardennes, then rotated between Egypt Argentina and Spain in the post war era, with some stops in Ireland, in the former location he trained the Fedayeen, Arafat&#8217;s precursor militia,</p>
<p>many small and large fish seemed to slip through Aribert Heim, who seem to have inspire a character in Boualem Sansals novel about the Cursed Algeria, Wolfgang Leers,<br />
who also adopted an Arab kunya,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 00:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the morhegg thread showed how the UN enlarged its fiefdom, by including all descendants of the bedouin who foolishly continued to fight against israel since 1947, those that are now in camps in lebanon and jordan and other places,

the other khalidi uncle became a prime minister under the hashemites, which tells you where he actually belonged,

in another world, maybe he would be an alternative to abu mazen, but all their fancy sheepskin shows they are a warrant for death,

khalidi was certainly an advisor in shaping obama&#039;s policies such as they were,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the morhegg thread showed how the UN enlarged its fiefdom, by including all descendants of the bedouin who foolishly continued to fight against israel since 1947, those that are now in camps in lebanon and jordan and other places,</p>
<p>the other khalidi uncle became a prime minister under the hashemites, which tells you where he actually belonged,</p>
<p>in another world, maybe he would be an alternative to abu mazen, but all their fancy sheepskin shows they are a warrant for death,</p>
<p>khalidi was certainly an advisor in shaping obama&#8217;s policies such as they were,</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 00:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Powerline posted a compendium of historical references with respect to a documentary released in 1985 and again today.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/01/long-days-journey-into-shoah.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerline posted a compendium of historical references with respect to a documentary released in 1985 and again today.<br />
<a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/01/long-days-journey-into-shoah.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/01/long-days-journey-into-shoah.php</a></p>
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