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	Comments on: Caroline Glick: on left and right in Israel, and left and right in the US	</title>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Standard disclaimer:
Most of the &quot;American Jews&quot; being discussed are only marginally affiliated with Judaism. Most have never visited Israel.

Like Liberation Theology Episcopalians they have read their new progressive faith into their inherited identity - always jettisoning the parts of the old faith that contradict Progressive post-Modernism.

It will be interesting to see how these people handle the collapse of that fiction.

Their counterparts on the Israeli Left are expected to react as they did after the 1973 war - which was also a crisis of confidence. In addition to moving away from the Left, many also re-explored Jewish heritage and embraced religious practice. 

That is a less certain outcome in the diaspora, after several generation of assimilation... 

These people are somewhat akin to the Mendelsohns and other Jewish families that assimilated completely during 19th-century Emancipation, whose descendants - completely ignorant of Judaism - found themselves being persecuted and carted off to camps for their Jewish blood.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standard disclaimer:<br />
Most of the &#8220;American Jews&#8221; being discussed are only marginally affiliated with Judaism. Most have never visited Israel.</p>
<p>Like Liberation Theology Episcopalians they have read their new progressive faith into their inherited identity &#8211; always jettisoning the parts of the old faith that contradict Progressive post-Modernism.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how these people handle the collapse of that fiction.</p>
<p>Their counterparts on the Israeli Left are expected to react as they did after the 1973 war &#8211; which was also a crisis of confidence. In addition to moving away from the Left, many also re-explored Jewish heritage and embraced religious practice. </p>
<p>That is a less certain outcome in the diaspora, after several generation of assimilation&#8230; </p>
<p>These people are somewhat akin to the Mendelsohns and other Jewish families that assimilated completely during 19th-century Emancipation, whose descendants &#8211; completely ignorant of Judaism &#8211; found themselves being persecuted and carted off to camps for their Jewish blood.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turtler:

Yes, very frustrating. I wonder whether it&#039;s changing a bit,  post 10/7. It certainly has in Israel. Some Jewish donors in the US are pulling back fron universities in the wake of those hearings with the 3 Ivy presidents. Jewish voters,  however,  as opposed to donors,  are such a small group and so concentrated in places that are blue anyway that they hardly make a difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turtler:</p>
<p>Yes, very frustrating. I wonder whether it&#8217;s changing a bit,  post 10/7. It certainly has in Israel. Some Jewish donors in the US are pulling back fron universities in the wake of those hearings with the 3 Ivy presidents. Jewish voters,  however,  as opposed to donors,  are such a small group and so concentrated in places that are blue anyway that they hardly make a difference.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turtler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo

&lt;blockquote&gt; Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well – for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews). Very different groups from each other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, and there are even more widespread or exotic groups, for instance the Chinese Jews (mostly called &quot;Kaifeng Jews&quot;), to say nothing of others such as converts, the Beta Israel from Ethiopia, and so forth.

But we&#039;re still looking at the expansion of one family of creeds and intermarrying ethnicities in comparison to a giant continent (arguably THE Continent), and so the difference is still at least an order of magnitude.

&lt;blockquote&gt; They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

indeed, quite true. And that is probably not getting any better.

&lt;blockquote&gt; I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many – not all, but many – Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism. Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.

I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic in this post from 2015. You might want to take a look if you haven’t already seen it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, and I already have. It&#039;s also a case where I can intellectually understand it to SOME Degree (especially since I tend to study, game, and play out a fair bit of 19th and 20th century history). But it is still jarring and frustrating, ditto with Asia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo</p>
<blockquote><p> Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well – for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews). Very different groups from each other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, and there are even more widespread or exotic groups, for instance the Chinese Jews (mostly called &#8220;Kaifeng Jews&#8221;), to say nothing of others such as converts, the Beta Israel from Ethiopia, and so forth.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re still looking at the expansion of one family of creeds and intermarrying ethnicities in comparison to a giant continent (arguably THE Continent), and so the difference is still at least an order of magnitude.</p>
<blockquote><p> They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.</p></blockquote>
<p>indeed, quite true. And that is probably not getting any better.</p>
<blockquote><p> I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many – not all, but many – Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism. Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.</p>
<p>I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic in this post from 2015. You might want to take a look if you haven’t already seen it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, and I already have. It&#8217;s also a case where I can intellectually understand it to SOME Degree (especially since I tend to study, game, and play out a fair bit of 19th and 20th century history). But it is still jarring and frustrating, ditto with Asia.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turtler:

Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well - for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews).  Very different groups from each other.

They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.

I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many - not all, but many - Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism.  Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.

I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2015/02/12/jews-and-politics/&quot;&gt;in this post&lt;/a&gt; from 2015.  You might want to take a look if you haven&#039;t already seen it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turtler:</p>
<p>Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well &#8211; for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews).  Very different groups from each other.</p>
<p>They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.</p>
<p>I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many &#8211; not all, but many &#8211; Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism.  Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.</p>
<p>I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2015/02/12/jews-and-politics/">in this post</a> from 2015.  You might want to take a look if you haven&#8217;t already seen it.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

From what I&#039;ve read, he is rather typical of the changed minds of a huge number of Israeli leftists, post 10/7.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read, he is rather typical of the changed minds of a huge number of Israeli leftists, post 10/7.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[they may be a plurality as we found out in the four predecessor governments to Netanyahu, that operated in concert with the Arab parties but not a majority, its just Bibi&#039;s coalition partners are not as enlightened as say the intelligentsia wish,
like the Shas Haredi or the successors to Tekiya and Moledet, I&#039;m doing this from memory]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they may be a plurality as we found out in the four predecessor governments to Netanyahu, that operated in concert with the Arab parties but not a majority, its just Bibi&#8217;s coalition partners are not as enlightened as say the intelligentsia wish,<br />
like the Shas Haredi or the successors to Tekiya and Moledet, I&#8217;m doing this from memory</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would re-underline the point that many Israelis, such as the man I quoted above, are radical leftists.

Yet even a radical leftist may learn.

Here endeth the lesson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would re-underline the point that many Israelis, such as the man I quoted above, are radical leftists.</p>
<p>Yet even a radical leftist may learn.</p>
<p>Here endeth the lesson.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turtler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To add to what Baker and Otter said, there’s also the fact that…

A: Asians are a much never demographic (or really sets of demographics) in the U.S. and were heavily discriminated against and had work to keep them out.

B: They do not make as appealing scapegoats on the whole now (as opposed to at the time).

And

C: Are even more divided and subject to dispute about who qualifies than Jews. Are Indians “Asian” for instance?

And

D: are at least perceived to be less reliable Dem voters than Jews due to how many of them were descended from refugees from communist brutality. Look around for old Vietnamese flags for instance.

In any case I find both to be frustrating and hard to understand. But then I also struggle to figure out why white men would vote for the Dems. Or much of anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to what Baker and Otter said, there’s also the fact that…</p>
<p>A: Asians are a much never demographic (or really sets of demographics) in the U.S. and were heavily discriminated against and had work to keep them out.</p>
<p>B: They do not make as appealing scapegoats on the whole now (as opposed to at the time).</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>C: Are even more divided and subject to dispute about who qualifies than Jews. Are Indians “Asian” for instance?</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>D: are at least perceived to be less reliable Dem voters than Jews due to how many of them were descended from refugees from communist brutality. Look around for old Vietnamese flags for instance.</p>
<p>In any case I find both to be frustrating and hard to understand. But then I also struggle to figure out why white men would vote for the Dems. Or much of anyone.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Jon baker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the Asians and Jews voting Democrat. 
The other thing is that Asians have not really had the influence on institutions in America the way Jews have. Think Hollywood, members of the media, politicians, etc. 
Obviously, Asian influence in America is growing. I keep hoping the Asian store keepers are noticing who supports law and order and who doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Asians and Jews voting Democrat.<br />
The other thing is that Asians have not really had the influence on institutions in America the way Jews have. Think Hollywood, members of the media, politicians, etc.<br />
Obviously, Asian influence in America is growing. I keep hoping the Asian store keepers are noticing who supports law and order and who doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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