File under: WE’RE just doin’ our jobs…PROTECTING DEMOCRACY!!

Fact, 62 lawsuits were filed by Trump or advocates of Trump in courts in 9 different states. You are correct that most were dismissed on the merits. To use a non-legal term, the plaintiffs didn’t make it to first base. Put another way, in these cases, judges ruled that insufficient EVIDENCE was present in the initial filing to warrant a trial. In all these cases, the plaintiffs could have refiled with more EVIDENCE to overcome the dismissal. They did not. That’s called losing. Putting lipstick on a pig to try and convince me or anyone reading your comments is weak tea and expletives are a poor substitute for scholarship.

Voters claim to be disgusted with politics as usual, but if the Republican candidate goes overboard with the dramatics they vote for Democrats who appear to be politics as usual. It’s not entirely the fault of the wild men and women, though: Democrats have an edge in most large, urban states. Those supposedly respectable and adult “politics as usual” Democrats go on to support some quite radical policies, but their voters don’t notice or care.

Bauxite, there you go again, being rational, logical, and making sense.

Bauxite isn’t being rational or logical in this case, let alone making sense. Indeed, this entire post of his amounts to a “LOOK SHINY” deflection from the basic issue of if this was in any way an appropriate way for DeWitt to behave, or to be SEEN as behaving. At a minimum it speaks to a staggering lack of judgement that would only have been tolerable had this not gone public. Which surprise surprise Lake did.

What will the conspiracy theorists do?

For starters, counterargue.

Which brings us to your main points, such as they are.

An expert could take my laptop to court and prove it could be tampered with but that does not prove that it was tampered with at a specific time or date.

Correct but misleading. It shows that the system fails to meet the basic standards for integrity and security we rely on. It also establishes that this flaw was KNOWN For years before the relevant date, and thus COULD have been used. If we were talking about an election in a tinpot third world country like Bangladesh that would b e grounds for State Department to raise a heckle about the legitimacy of the results and call them into question. But apparently here at home we’re supposed to assume all is well.

Even in cases where chain of custody is shattered and there are plenty of other things that either “appear” to be improper or outright are.

I’m still waiting for the Dominion and Smartmaic defamation trials to be concluded. Let’s see how Sidney Powell and Rudy do in their trials. Fox settled out of court for a little less than a billion.

Indeed, and the forensic accounting involved.

Oh, and Trump and his legal team filed 62 lawsuits in 9 different states alleging voter fraud, some in front of judges Trump appointed. He’s lost them all.

This is another thing that annoys me about the crop of “Concerned Conservatives” (erroneously called in my opinion, because good fucking luck getting them to show an iota of concern for those that actually died during Jan 6th as a result of the abuses). That they crib from the low hanging fruit of leftist agitprop.

Firstly: No, Trump didn’t “lose” all 62. Even the dishonest, disgraceful, lying fucks at PolitiFact don’t claim that. They do however claim he lost the overwhelming majority of them, but not all 62.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/joe-biden/joe-biden-right-more-60-trumps-election-lawsuits-l/

This is also before we get into the fact that Trump did not in fact lose or even suffer stalemate in all the election cases. You just probably haven’t heard of it.

https://stalliontimes.com/2023/11/19/trump-celebrates-wins-election-case-in-colorado/

Or how many cases that happened where he did lose were not decided on the merits.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/11/courts-repeatedly-refused-to-consider-trumps-election-claims-on-the-merits/

Trump is probably BSing when he claims he won two thirds of the cases where they were tested on the merits, but he is BSing a lot less than you are and whatever your misbegotten sources are.

Now, Marjorie Taylor Greene will kick me out of the party because I won’t bend the knee, kiss the ring, and sign on to the election-was-stolen crowd.

It’s not going to be MTG (whom I have scant love for) doing that for you.

Now kindly do more research so you can actually engage with the merits of the case better, or failing that be a less incompetent troll.

Kari Lake has made herself unelectable in Arizona. Functioning political parties don’t give their nominations to candidates who are unelectable.

Couple problems with this.

Firstly: IS she unelectable? Citation needed.

Secondly: IF she is, WHY is she so? And is that due to say… actions by the Great Doyens of Civil Society, the Margraves of Maricopa County?

You leave that up in the air.

I’m not sure of the particulars of the interactions between Lake and DeWitt.

But you feel comfortable being a bullheaded idiot wading in to this issue to opine like a bull in a china shop anyway. Because that will somehow show you to be the Better.

I wouldn’t trust Lake any farther than I could throw her and I don’t know DeWitt from Adam.

But you clearly do trust him more than you do Lake, given how you will bend over backwards to try and polish this particular turd.

And made all the worse as the others pointed out by your admission you did not know of the (former,, now disgraced) head of the Arizona Republican Party, yet felt comfortable making definitive statements on Arizona politics. But om and Barry pointed that out. So I’d prefer focusing on other matters.

Maybe he did cross the line. Maybe Lake is taking a business conversation out of context. Who knows?

“Who knows?” The people in the discussion.

Which brings us to an important thing, Bauxite.

Propriety, or the absence thereof. Or even the appearance of such. This is something you pointedly do not address in this comment. Which is strange because I know you know of it, having used it to criticize the likes of Trump, McCain, Obama, and Biden on many occasions.

So why not here?

Simply put, you do not even bother trying to put forth an explanation in which this would be kosher, such as how this could be an appropriate subject to discuss in a “business conversation.” To be perfectly frank I doubt you have an explanation.

But the whole thing about “powerful eastern interests don’t want her to run?” That’s because she is likely to lose a Senate seat that Republicans would have a very good chance to win this year with another candidate. I’s not some kind of sinister conspiracy theory, it’s how functioning political parties operate, as opposed to political vanity projects based on ideology or personality.

Oh the problems with this. Starting with the aforementioned “Citation Needed” regarding Lake being a loser, moving on to who gets to determine or assess what candidates have a “very good” chance of winning a seat, and CRUCIALLY how the party should go about doing this in a way that is not only Proper, but seems to be Proper.

By almost any metric DeWitt FAILED that test, ESPECIALLY the last one. And we know he failed because in addition to the audio being quite unflattering looking ( a standard I know you have used to justify Kemp and his far greater malfeasance vis a vis Trump and his subordinates cropping the audio out) but because DeWitt was FORCED OUT not that long ago as a direct result of this.

So clearly the Benevolent Powers that Be Out East decided this kind of conduct was not worth supporting.

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2024/01/24/dewit-alleges-lake-blackmailed-him-into-resigning/

And it isn’t hard to see why. If the Arizona Republican Party wanted to remove Lake, they had better ways to do it than this. Starting with ways that did not make their head look like a skeevy, corrupt, hypocritical piece of trash. But apparently that was too much to ask for Jeff DeWitt.

There is a very good chance that, a year from now, the Senate will be the only thing standing between us and complete progressive control of the federal government, with everything that comes with that. If “powerful eastern interests” in the GOP are trying to make sure the Senate is able to stop all that by preventing an unelectable candidate from winning the party’s nomination in AZ, they are doing exactly what a political party is supposed to do, as long as the “sausage making” didn’t veer into illegality, of course.

“Of course.”

There’s more than just outright illegality, Bauxite. Once upon a time you comprehended this, at least when you felt it convenient to do so. Including the appearance of impropriety, which this included. Moreover, that assumes DeWitt was not only acting on behalf of the party as a whole, but that their central motivation was to win the Senate. Which I am included to press D to Doubt about given the poor track record.

But then again, what I doubt about does not matter. What does matter is how this particular turd looked and how it could be justified. The fact that DeWitt could not justify this worth a damn in terms of being both proper and seemingly proper speaks volumes.

Damn, that’s one of the more disturbing stories I’ve ever read. 😛

}}} It’s quite interesting that the formerly very western oriented AZ, is perhaps heavily influenced by powerful people back east.

Well, AZ used to be very conservative — “Goldwater” says a lot. That they had “McCain” for so long speaks to the unfortunate influence of the liberal idiots fleeing Cali’s insanity, then continuing to vote for the same lunatics and lunatic policies that caused them to flee Cali.

I repeat what I have said many times — PostModern Liberalism is a social cancer. Literally, not figuratively.

Wherever they land, they poison.

}}} But I see no reason to suppose Chat couldn’t be trained by the right datasets into a Nazi POV or a Woke POV.

Chat is unquestionably already trained as a woke POV.

Ask it to comment on Biden.
Then ask it to comment on Trump.

See the difference. :-/

I see no reason, if this were the case, for Lake to torpedo him, offhand.

Unless she was aware of some other corruptions he demonstrated which offended her, and which she felt warranted forcing his resignation, there literally is no reason, if this is not exactly what it sounded like, to release it to bring him down. If nothing else, it could be useful to use to pressure him to assist/support her — not so much blackmail as “encouragement”. But she may be honest enough to be unwilling to use it that way, but it still comes down to, “if he is not thoroughly corrupt, why would she decide to cause his downfall with it?”

An expert could take my laptop to court and prove it could be tampered with but that does not prove that it was tampered with at a specific time or date. I’m still waiting for the Dominion and Smartmaic defamation trials to be concluded. Let’s see how Sidney Powell and Rudy do in their trials. Fox settled out of court for a little less than a billion.

Oh, and Trump and his legal team filed 62 lawsuits in 9 different states alleging voter fraud, some in front of judges Trump appointed. He’s lost them all. Now, Marjorie Taylor Greene will kick me out of the party because I won’t bend the knee, kiss the ring, and sign on to the election-was-stolen crowd.