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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;huxley:&lt;/b&gt; Is there a relationship between Chopin and jazz?

&lt;b&gt;ChatGPT:&lt;/b&gt; Yes, there is a relationship between the music of Frédéric Chopin, a Romantic era composer, and jazz, a genre that emerged in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While Chopin did not directly influence jazz as it developed (since he lived earlier, from 1810 to 1849), his music has had an indirect impact and shares some similarities and connections with jazz:

Harmonic Complexity: Chopin&#039;s compositions are known for their rich and innovative harmonies, which can be likened to the harmonic complexity found in jazz. His use of extended chords, altered chords, and unexpected modulations bear resemblance to the harmonic language used in jazz.

Rhythmic Nuance: Although Chopin&#039;s music does not swing in the jazz sense, his use of rubato and other rhythmic nuances shares the jazz sensibility of playing around with time and rhythm for expressive purposes.

Improvisational Feel: Chopin was a renowned improviser. His ability to spontaneously create music is a foundational element of jazz. Many of Chopin&#039;s written compositions have an improvisational quality to them, much like jazz solos.

Influence on Jazz Musicians: Many jazz pianists have been influenced by Chopin&#039;s music. They are drawn to his expressive depth, technical mastery, and the fluid, lyrical quality of his piano writing. Jazz musicians like Bill Evans, Keith Jarrett, and Chick Corea have been known to incorporate elements of Chopin&#039;s style into their playing.

Chopin in Jazz Repertoire: Some of Chopin&#039;s works have been directly adapted or referenced in jazz. His melodies, themes, and even structural elements have been used as a basis for jazz arrangements and improvisations.

Emotional and Expressive Depth: Both Chopin&#039;s music and jazz place a strong emphasis on emotional expression and individuality. This focus on conveying deep feelings and personal expression creates a spiritual kinship between the two.

In summary, while Chopin&#039;s music and jazz come from different historical and cultural contexts, there are notable similarities in their use of harmony, rhythm, and emphasis on expression and improvisation. These elements have fostered a relationship where jazz musicians often draw inspiration from Chopin&#039;s works, recognizing and adapting his innovative musical language within the jazz idiom.&lt;/i&gt;
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Chat is  spooky good at these kinds of questions, though I&#039;m not sure of the direct claim that Bill Evans et al. were known &quot;to incorporate elements of Chopin into their playing.&quot; I&#039;m sure it&#039;s true in a general sense...

I realize I&#039;m being didactic. But you will be using AI within the year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>huxley:</b> Is there a relationship between Chopin and jazz?</p>
<p><b>ChatGPT:</b> Yes, there is a relationship between the music of Frédéric Chopin, a Romantic era composer, and jazz, a genre that emerged in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While Chopin did not directly influence jazz as it developed (since he lived earlier, from 1810 to 1849), his music has had an indirect impact and shares some similarities and connections with jazz:</p>
<p>Harmonic Complexity: Chopin&#8217;s compositions are known for their rich and innovative harmonies, which can be likened to the harmonic complexity found in jazz. His use of extended chords, altered chords, and unexpected modulations bear resemblance to the harmonic language used in jazz.</p>
<p>Rhythmic Nuance: Although Chopin&#8217;s music does not swing in the jazz sense, his use of rubato and other rhythmic nuances shares the jazz sensibility of playing around with time and rhythm for expressive purposes.</p>
<p>Improvisational Feel: Chopin was a renowned improviser. His ability to spontaneously create music is a foundational element of jazz. Many of Chopin&#8217;s written compositions have an improvisational quality to them, much like jazz solos.</p>
<p>Influence on Jazz Musicians: Many jazz pianists have been influenced by Chopin&#8217;s music. They are drawn to his expressive depth, technical mastery, and the fluid, lyrical quality of his piano writing. Jazz musicians like Bill Evans, Keith Jarrett, and Chick Corea have been known to incorporate elements of Chopin&#8217;s style into their playing.</p>
<p>Chopin in Jazz Repertoire: Some of Chopin&#8217;s works have been directly adapted or referenced in jazz. His melodies, themes, and even structural elements have been used as a basis for jazz arrangements and improvisations.</p>
<p>Emotional and Expressive Depth: Both Chopin&#8217;s music and jazz place a strong emphasis on emotional expression and individuality. This focus on conveying deep feelings and personal expression creates a spiritual kinship between the two.</p>
<p>In summary, while Chopin&#8217;s music and jazz come from different historical and cultural contexts, there are notable similarities in their use of harmony, rhythm, and emphasis on expression and improvisation. These elements have fostered a relationship where jazz musicians often draw inspiration from Chopin&#8217;s works, recognizing and adapting his innovative musical language within the jazz idiom.</i><br />
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<p>Chat is  spooky good at these kinds of questions, though I&#8217;m not sure of the direct claim that Bill Evans et al. were known &#8220;to incorporate elements of Chopin into their playing.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s true in a general sense&#8230;</p>
<p>I realize I&#8217;m being didactic. But you will be using AI within the year.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 06:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;I’m now sure this was the Chopin piece my mother used to play which has haunted me since I was five.&quot;

I&#039;m glad you got some closure on that mystery!
It&#039;s a lovely piece no matter who is playing it, and I think y&#039;all are right about the jazz vibes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;I’m now sure this was the Chopin piece my mother used to play which has haunted me since I was five.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you got some closure on that mystery!<br />
It&#8217;s a lovely piece no matter who is playing it, and I think y&#8217;all are right about the jazz vibes.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quite a few in that belfry.]]></description>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 02:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs

Who are some of the individuals whose views/ideas/information about the UFO Phenomenon I pay attention to and give some credence?

David Grusch—Former Air Force Major with service in Afghanistan, very high level intelligence officer with extremely high clearances, who worked at both the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and the National Reconnaissance office, and who was tasked with ferreting out any secret UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.

Grusch was NRO&#039;s representative to the UFO Task Force and, subsequently, to AARO, and is the first major UFO whistle blower from the IC to testify under oath before Congress in public session.

Lou Elizondo—long time intelligence agent and former head of ATIP, who resigned in protest after he was not allowed to present his concerns about the reality and seriousness of UAPs to the Secretary of Defense. 

Chris Mellon—former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, who has many government connections. 

(Both Elizondo and Mellon also apparently responsible for a lot of the behind the scenes work pushing the UFO issue back into the public&#039;s consciousness and to Congress&#039; attention, plus much of the progress on this issue since 2017.) 

Jacques Vallee—French scientist, inventor, and dedicated UFO researcher for over 30 years, who the French scientist in Spielberg&#039;s &quot;Close Encounters&quot; was modeled on, and author of many books on the subject, including his ground breaking analysis, “Passport to Magonia.” 

Richard Dolan—Very well informed, intelligent, and canny full time UFO researcher for over 30 years, author of many books on the subject, including his two volume study, &quot;UFOs and the National Security State,&quot; a chronology and history of the government&#039;s involvement with the UFO phenomenon.

Dr. Garry Nolan—eminent Stanford pathologist and inventor who has examined both the brains of people who have been exposed to UFOs, and also supposed UFO materials. 

Founder of the new SOL Foundation, which is researching the UFO Phenomena, and formulating position papers to guide officials in the post Disclosure environment.

Dr. Dianne Pasulka—Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington, and author of the recent best seller “American Cosmic,” who is bringing her religious knowledge and viewpoint to bear on the UFO phenomenon.

Dr. Kevin Knuth—University of Albany Physicist who is applying scientific analysis to the recent confirmed videos of UFOs.

Ross Coulthart--Australian investigative journalist who has been following and reporting on the UFO phenomena for many years, and who did the groundbreaking first interview with David Grusch. 

Leslie Keene--an independent journalist, who has followed the UFO and other high strangeness phenomena for many years, and was a co-author of the blockbuster December 2017 New York Times article, which revealed the existence of secret continuing government research on UFOs, of the ATIP organization, it&#039;s head Lou Elizondo, and which opened up discussion of the UFO phenomena to a much wider prominence and general audience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs</p>
<p>Who are some of the individuals whose views/ideas/information about the UFO Phenomenon I pay attention to and give some credence?</p>
<p>David Grusch—Former Air Force Major with service in Afghanistan, very high level intelligence officer with extremely high clearances, who worked at both the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and the National Reconnaissance office, and who was tasked with ferreting out any secret UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.</p>
<p>Grusch was NRO&#8217;s representative to the UFO Task Force and, subsequently, to AARO, and is the first major UFO whistle blower from the IC to testify under oath before Congress in public session.</p>
<p>Lou Elizondo—long time intelligence agent and former head of ATIP, who resigned in protest after he was not allowed to present his concerns about the reality and seriousness of UAPs to the Secretary of Defense. </p>
<p>Chris Mellon—former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, who has many government connections. </p>
<p>(Both Elizondo and Mellon also apparently responsible for a lot of the behind the scenes work pushing the UFO issue back into the public&#8217;s consciousness and to Congress&#8217; attention, plus much of the progress on this issue since 2017.) </p>
<p>Jacques Vallee—French scientist, inventor, and dedicated UFO researcher for over 30 years, who the French scientist in Spielberg&#8217;s &#8220;Close Encounters&#8221; was modeled on, and author of many books on the subject, including his ground breaking analysis, “Passport to Magonia.” </p>
<p>Richard Dolan—Very well informed, intelligent, and canny full time UFO researcher for over 30 years, author of many books on the subject, including his two volume study, &#8220;UFOs and the National Security State,&#8221; a chronology and history of the government&#8217;s involvement with the UFO phenomenon.</p>
<p>Dr. Garry Nolan—eminent Stanford pathologist and inventor who has examined both the brains of people who have been exposed to UFOs, and also supposed UFO materials. </p>
<p>Founder of the new SOL Foundation, which is researching the UFO Phenomena, and formulating position papers to guide officials in the post Disclosure environment.</p>
<p>Dr. Dianne Pasulka—Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington, and author of the recent best seller “American Cosmic,” who is bringing her religious knowledge and viewpoint to bear on the UFO phenomenon.</p>
<p>Dr. Kevin Knuth—University of Albany Physicist who is applying scientific analysis to the recent confirmed videos of UFOs.</p>
<p>Ross Coulthart&#8211;Australian investigative journalist who has been following and reporting on the UFO phenomena for many years, and who did the groundbreaking first interview with David Grusch. </p>
<p>Leslie Keene&#8211;an independent journalist, who has followed the UFO and other high strangeness phenomena for many years, and was a co-author of the blockbuster December 2017 New York Times article, which revealed the existence of secret continuing government research on UFOs, of the ATIP organization, it&#8217;s head Lou Elizondo, and which opened up discussion of the UFO phenomena to a much wider prominence and general audience.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 01:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley, good catch w Bill Evans. I bought a Bill Evans album when I was in high school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley, good catch w Bill Evans. I bought a Bill Evans album when I was in high school.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/18/open-thread-1-18-24/#comment-2718840</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 01:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a modern version, lush, romantic and brilliantly performed, but somehow too much. Watch Kissin&#039;s close-ups as he plays:

&lt;i&gt;--&quot;EVGENY KISSIN plays CHOPIN Waltz Op.64 n.2&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVsGf1ag6Us&lt;/i&gt;

I prefer the Rubinstein.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a modern version, lush, romantic and brilliantly performed, but somehow too much. Watch Kissin&#8217;s close-ups as he plays:</p>
<p><i>&#8211;&#8220;EVGENY KISSIN plays CHOPIN Waltz Op.64 n.2&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVsGf1ag6Us" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVsGf1ag6Us</a></i></p>
<p>I prefer the Rubinstein.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 00:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Chopin Waltz Op. 64 No. 2 in C Sharp Minor

neo, AesopFan:

I&#039;m now sure this was the Chopin piece my mother used to play which has haunted me since I was five.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Chopin Waltz Op. 64 No. 2 in C Sharp Minor</p>
<p>neo, AesopFan:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now sure this was the Chopin piece my mother used to play which has haunted me since I was five.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...some interest...&quot;

Incoming....
&quot;At Least 9 Killed After Pakistan Launches Retaliatory Airstrikes In Iran&quot;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-9-killed-after-pakistan-launches-retaliatory-airstrikes-iran

&#039;Twould appear that Allah works in mysterious ways....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;some interest&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Incoming&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;At Least 9 Killed After Pakistan Launches Retaliatory Airstrikes In Iran&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-9-killed-after-pakistan-launches-retaliatory-airstrikes-iran" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-9-killed-after-pakistan-launches-retaliatory-airstrikes-iran</a></p>
<p>&#8216;Twould appear that Allah works in mysterious ways&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Richard Cook		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/18/open-thread-1-18-24/#comment-2718793</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate

Madness and evil over took us some time ago. It&#039;s just removing the mask now. We are well on our way to a violent end point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate</p>
<p>Madness and evil over took us some time ago. It&#8217;s just removing the mask now. We are well on our way to a violent end point.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  China as &quot;the land of shortcuts and facades.&quot;

Take a look at this posting about how Chinese government propaganda paints China as so advanced when, in fact, it isn&#039;t.

A case in point the city of Chongqing, and it&#039;s Hongyadong district.

See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYah6swPoU]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  China as &#8220;the land of shortcuts and facades.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take a look at this posting about how Chinese government propaganda paints China as so advanced when, in fact, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>A case in point the city of Chongqing, and it&#8217;s Hongyadong district.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYah6swPoU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYah6swPoU</a></p>
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