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		By: Richard F Cook		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard F Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have a TV and meijers uses an actual human for announcements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a TV and meijers uses an actual human for announcements.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;A bit OT, but reading a book about antisemitic white supremacist organizations in the 80s, the author said that they said that if a Jew said to you “Have a nice day,” it was code for “F— You!”&lt;/i&gt;

This is basically from a very old joke -- my mother was telling it back in the 80s, so it predates that.

Her version had nothing to do with antisemitism, it was just the way a young, coarsely-raised girl, sent to finishing school, &quot;corrected&quot; her behavior.  The girl said, &quot;How nice&quot; all the time. And of course, that was &quot;code&quot; for &quot;Eph You.&quot;

And THAT one mirrors a joke I learned in the early 1970s:


&lt;blockquote&gt;A midwest Senator was out stumping for re-election, and visited a local Indian Reservation to make a speech. 

While he was making his speech, someone shouted, &quot;Ug Mum Waga!!&quot;. He continued speaking, and soon there was another shout of &quot;Ug Mum Waga!!&quot;. The speech went on and more and more, people were responding with &quot;Ug Mum Waga!!&quot;, until finally, as he was finishing up, the entire crowd began chanting it. 

Feeling pretty good about the reception, he is talking with the local Chief, and they start talking about cattle. He spots the tribe has a decent herd in a field a short distance away, and asks the Chief if he can go take a closer look at them. 

The Chief assents, but, looking down at his feet, suggests, &quot;Those are nice shoes... Be sure to watch your step. You don&#039;t want to step into any Ug Mum Waga!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My own bet is someone made that antisemitic version up far more recently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>A bit OT, but reading a book about antisemitic white supremacist organizations in the 80s, the author said that they said that if a Jew said to you “Have a nice day,” it was code for “F— You!”</i></p>
<p>This is basically from a very old joke &#8212; my mother was telling it back in the 80s, so it predates that.</p>
<p>Her version had nothing to do with antisemitism, it was just the way a young, coarsely-raised girl, sent to finishing school, &#8220;corrected&#8221; her behavior.  The girl said, &#8220;How nice&#8221; all the time. And of course, that was &#8220;code&#8221; for &#8220;Eph You.&#8221;</p>
<p>And THAT one mirrors a joke I learned in the early 1970s:</p>
<blockquote><p>A midwest Senator was out stumping for re-election, and visited a local Indian Reservation to make a speech. </p>
<p>While he was making his speech, someone shouted, &#8220;Ug Mum Waga!!&#8221;. He continued speaking, and soon there was another shout of &#8220;Ug Mum Waga!!&#8221;. The speech went on and more and more, people were responding with &#8220;Ug Mum Waga!!&#8221;, until finally, as he was finishing up, the entire crowd began chanting it. </p>
<p>Feeling pretty good about the reception, he is talking with the local Chief, and they start talking about cattle. He spots the tribe has a decent herd in a field a short distance away, and asks the Chief if he can go take a closer look at them. </p>
<p>The Chief assents, but, looking down at his feet, suggests, &#8220;Those are nice shoes&#8230; Be sure to watch your step. You don&#8217;t want to step into any Ug Mum Waga!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>My own bet is someone made that antisemitic version up far more recently.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;The supermarkets I patronize don’t talk to me on the intercom. They play annoying music, however.&lt;/i&gt;

Solution: Music on your phone plus a decent pair of headphones. 

You don&#039;t hear their garbage.

Also useful at stores where you don&#039;t want to be bothered by sales people... Just ignore them completely (even if you hear them) -- they will assume you can&#039;t hear them, and walk away. It would be &quot;rude&quot; without the headphones, but if they think you can&#039;t hear them, well, they aren&#039;t going to assume you&#039;re being rude.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>The supermarkets I patronize don’t talk to me on the intercom. They play annoying music, however.</i></p>
<p>Solution: Music on your phone plus a decent pair of headphones. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t hear their garbage.</p>
<p>Also useful at stores where you don&#8217;t want to be bothered by sales people&#8230; Just ignore them completely (even if you hear them) &#8212; they will assume you can&#8217;t hear them, and walk away. It would be &#8220;rude&#8221; without the headphones, but if they think you can&#8217;t hear them, well, they aren&#8217;t going to assume you&#8217;re being rude.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718108</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: 

Knowing how much you like dance...

Are you familiar with an (apparently, AFAICS) movement called &quot;Electroswing&quot;?

It seems to have arisen in the last 10y or so, and generally involves some very very impressively energetic dance using mostly shufflesteps, but the better ones seem to more than just that...

The big one seems to be a German guy named Sven Otten, who also goes by  &quot;JustSomeMotion&quot; or JSM.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdLa-vJjGnQmXy8KgBIqq8w

Here&#039;s one that&#039;s a good example, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJct8nKjcc

.

Another one who has impressed me in what little I&#039;ve seen so far is Gabby David:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmLVlhkAuNoMvZepfAqzFJw
This video in particular is a  pretty good example of her skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM01o7G6kM

I wish I was 25, that I could try this stuff. Hell, I&#039;d try it if I was just 40. :-D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: </p>
<p>Knowing how much you like dance&#8230;</p>
<p>Are you familiar with an (apparently, AFAICS) movement called &#8220;Electroswing&#8221;?</p>
<p>It seems to have arisen in the last 10y or so, and generally involves some very very impressively energetic dance using mostly shufflesteps, but the better ones seem to more than just that&#8230;</p>
<p>The big one seems to be a German guy named Sven Otten, who also goes by  &#8220;JustSomeMotion&#8221; or JSM.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdLa-vJjGnQmXy8KgBIqq8w" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdLa-vJjGnQmXy8KgBIqq8w</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one that&#8217;s a good example, I think.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJct8nKjcc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJct8nKjcc</a></p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Another one who has impressed me in what little I&#8217;ve seen so far is Gabby David:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmLVlhkAuNoMvZepfAqzFJw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmLVlhkAuNoMvZepfAqzFJw</a><br />
This video in particular is a  pretty good example of her skills:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM01o7G6kM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM01o7G6kM</a></p>
<p>I wish I was 25, that I could try this stuff. Hell, I&#8217;d try it if I was just 40. 😀</p>
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		By: DCL		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718106</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Neo that BBC article is great and points to the big problem of mapping out languages and their development. There are so many influences on a language. With a networked culture it is impossible to predict where influences come from. But it was always thus. The Roman Empire went from Latin to Greek and each century produced its own variations on both.
The interesting question for me is what will be the effect of AI on English? Will it produce a standardised accepted global version - sounding like the cheery voices you describe. Or will it be something g more complex and dangerous?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neo that BBC article is great and points to the big problem of mapping out languages and their development. There are so many influences on a language. With a networked culture it is impossible to predict where influences come from. But it was always thus. The Roman Empire went from Latin to Greek and each century produced its own variations on both.<br />
The interesting question for me is what will be the effect of AI on English? Will it produce a standardised accepted global version &#8211; sounding like the cheery voices you describe. Or will it be something g more complex and dangerous?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears to me that the Salon is downvoting uptalking.
Right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to me that the Salon is downvoting uptalking.<br />
Right?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28785865&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;The BBC&lt;/a&gt; versus Chat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28785865" rel="nofollow ugc">The BBC</a> versus Chat.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Since Chat explained it so well, … well then it is settled, … right? ? &lt;/i&gt;

R2L

Sure. Unless Chat is making stuff up ... again. 

 I have caught Chat a few times, though not on a question as straightforward as this. So I think we&#039;re safe.

I kept journals from my 20s-50s. Eight years ago I read through them all. Comparing what I read to the way I remembered, I realized I had made a lot of stuff up.

See. My problem with Chat isn&#039;t that I think it&#039;s human; it&#039;s that I&#039;m not sure I am human either and not just a meat version of Chat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Since Chat explained it so well, … well then it is settled, … right? ? </i></p>
<p>R2L</p>
<p>Sure. Unless Chat is making stuff up &#8230; again. </p>
<p> I have caught Chat a few times, though not on a question as straightforward as this. So I think we&#8217;re safe.</p>
<p>I kept journals from my 20s-50s. Eight years ago I read through them all. Comparing what I read to the way I remembered, I realized I had made a lot of stuff up.</p>
<p>See. My problem with Chat isn&#8217;t that I think it&#8217;s human; it&#8217;s that I&#8217;m not sure I am human either and not just a meat version of Chat.</p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718097</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 05:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oligonicella?  And Huxley?

So, yeah!  Uptalk is, like, absolutely what we do!  And, you know?  Not only do we jack our sentences with this, like, verbal tic?  But we also coat them with a thick layer of — [do the horrible sound here] vocal fry!

If we do it right, you are on the floor in a fetal position weeping in pain at this acoustic and semantic assault, and whatever we say stands unopposed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oligonicella?  And Huxley?</p>
<p>So, yeah!  Uptalk is, like, absolutely what we do!  And, you know?  Not only do we jack our sentences with this, like, verbal tic?  But we also coat them with a thick layer of — [do the horrible sound here] vocal fry!</p>
<p>If we do it right, you are on the floor in a fetal position weeping in pain at this acoustic and semantic assault, and whatever we say stands unopposed.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/13/whats-up-with-the-smiley-voice/#comment-2718095</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 05:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Declarative sentences are supposed to carry a certain load of declaration.  Uptalking it makes it sound as if the speaker isn&#039;t sure.

What bothers me, to the extent this whole thing rates &#039;bother&quot;, is the internal glottal stop.  Used to be sixth graders.  Heard a professor in the bioogical sciences using it.
It&#039;s &quot;Mar&quot; glop, beat, &quot;In&quot;.  &quot;Threat&quot; glop beat &quot;en&quot;.

Vowels are, in my experience, an individual thing.  There seems to be no subculture which pronounces &quot;fast&quot; and &quot;have&quot; as &quot;fahst&quot; and &quot;hahve&quot;. And onward through other uses of the short &quot;a&quot;.

Did some business with a woman who wanted us to sit at her dusk, and, yuss, the paperwork was complete.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Declarative sentences are supposed to carry a certain load of declaration.  Uptalking it makes it sound as if the speaker isn&#8217;t sure.</p>
<p>What bothers me, to the extent this whole thing rates &#8216;bother&#8221;, is the internal glottal stop.  Used to be sixth graders.  Heard a professor in the bioogical sciences using it.<br />
It&#8217;s &#8220;Mar&#8221; glop, beat, &#8220;In&#8221;.  &#8220;Threat&#8221; glop beat &#8220;en&#8221;.</p>
<p>Vowels are, in my experience, an individual thing.  There seems to be no subculture which pronounces &#8220;fast&#8221; and &#8220;have&#8221; as &#8220;fahst&#8221; and &#8220;hahve&#8221;. And onward through other uses of the short &#8220;a&#8221;.</p>
<p>Did some business with a woman who wanted us to sit at her dusk, and, yuss, the paperwork was complete.</p>
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