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		By: Jim Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interested in fact based espionage and ungentlemanly officers and spies? Try reading Beyond Enkription. It is an enthralling unadulterated fact based autobiographical spy thriller and a super read as long as you don’t expect John le Carré’s delicate diction, sophisticated syntax and placid plots. 

What is interesting is that this book is apparently mandatory reading in some countries’ intelligence agencies&#039; induction programs. Why? Maybe because the book has been heralded by those who should know as “being up there with My Silent War by Kim Philby and No Other Choice by George Blake”. Maybe because Bill Fairclough (the author) deviously dissects unusual topics, for example, by using real situations relating to how much agents are kept in the dark by their spy-masters and (surprisingly) vice versa.

The action is set in 1974 about a real British accountant who worked in Coopers &#038; Lybrand (now PwC) in London, Nassau, Miami and Port au Prince. Simultaneously he unwittingly worked for MI6. In later books (when employed by  Citicorp and Barclays) he knowingly worked for not only British Intelligence but also the CIA. 

It’s a must read for espionage cognoscenti but do read some of the latest news articles in TheBurlingtonFiles website before plunging into Beyond Enkription. You&#039;ll soon be immersed in a whole new world which you won&#039;t want to exit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interested in fact based espionage and ungentlemanly officers and spies? Try reading Beyond Enkription. It is an enthralling unadulterated fact based autobiographical spy thriller and a super read as long as you don’t expect John le Carré’s delicate diction, sophisticated syntax and placid plots. </p>
<p>What is interesting is that this book is apparently mandatory reading in some countries’ intelligence agencies&#8217; induction programs. Why? Maybe because the book has been heralded by those who should know as “being up there with My Silent War by Kim Philby and No Other Choice by George Blake”. Maybe because Bill Fairclough (the author) deviously dissects unusual topics, for example, by using real situations relating to how much agents are kept in the dark by their spy-masters and (surprisingly) vice versa.</p>
<p>The action is set in 1974 about a real British accountant who worked in Coopers &amp; Lybrand (now PwC) in London, Nassau, Miami and Port au Prince. Simultaneously he unwittingly worked for MI6. In later books (when employed by  Citicorp and Barclays) he knowingly worked for not only British Intelligence but also the CIA. </p>
<p>It’s a must read for espionage cognoscenti but do read some of the latest news articles in TheBurlingtonFiles website before plunging into Beyond Enkription. You&#8217;ll soon be immersed in a whole new world which you won&#8217;t want to exit.</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717460</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So is Sasquatch. I saw him on video.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/bigfoot-spotted-in-colorado-in-broad-daylight-see-the-video/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is Sasquatch. I saw him on video.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/bigfoot-spotted-in-colorado-in-broad-daylight-see-the-video/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/bigfoot-spotted-in-colorado-in-broad-daylight-see-the-video/</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717447</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The aliens are among us change my mind 

The nuclear freeze happened all across europe why was that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aliens are among us change my mind </p>
<p>The nuclear freeze happened all across europe why was that.</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717443</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The easiest way to control information is to investigate it but that takes money. Money requires political support. Political support requires information. Information must be protected. Lather, rinse, repeat. That&#039;s all this is about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easiest way to control information is to investigate it but that takes money. Money requires political support. Political support requires information. Information must be protected. Lather, rinse, repeat. That&#8217;s all this is about.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717441</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  As someone who has been in the military, I know how this goes, and suddenly acquiring the nickname or call sign of, say, &quot;UFO man,&quot; is not something someone in the military wants to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  As someone who has been in the military, I know how this goes, and suddenly acquiring the nickname or call sign of, say, &#8220;UFO man,&#8221; is not something someone in the military wants to do.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717438</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om--Really?  That&#039;s the best you can do?

You do realize that the images in question were gathered using military grade surveillance equipment. You know, sensors that soldiers in a combat zone need to work properly to insure their safety. 

Members of the military report sighting a UFO--something which still might be a blight on their careers, subject them to possible discipline, and to all sorts of harassment from their fellow soldiers--and you think that they might make up these sightings as a quest for some sort of &quot;fame,&quot; as a way to somehow get some money out of it, as their ticket to become part of a &quot;movement,&quot; or because they&#039;ve been struck by some form of &quot;mass hysteria?&quot;

I thought the &quot;mass hysteria&quot; excuse quit working around about the 1950s or 60s along with &quot;swamp gas.&quot;  

You know, at this stage of the game, it&#039;s kind of pathetic, you with your &quot;unicorns&quot; and &quot;social contagion,&quot; and Mick West with his balloons, birds, and smudges on camera lenses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om&#8211;Really?  That&#8217;s the best you can do?</p>
<p>You do realize that the images in question were gathered using military grade surveillance equipment. You know, sensors that soldiers in a combat zone need to work properly to insure their safety. </p>
<p>Members of the military report sighting a UFO&#8211;something which still might be a blight on their careers, subject them to possible discipline, and to all sorts of harassment from their fellow soldiers&#8211;and you think that they might make up these sightings as a quest for some sort of &#8220;fame,&#8221; as a way to somehow get some money out of it, as their ticket to become part of a &#8220;movement,&#8221; or because they&#8217;ve been struck by some form of &#8220;mass hysteria?&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;mass hysteria&#8221; excuse quit working around about the 1950s or 60s along with &#8220;swamp gas.&#8221;  </p>
<p>You know, at this stage of the game, it&#8217;s kind of pathetic, you with your &#8220;unicorns&#8221; and &#8220;social contagion,&#8221; and Mick West with his balloons, birds, and smudges on camera lenses.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717411</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do they gain by lying? 

Bless your heart.  Money, clicks, to be part of a &quot;movement,&quot; .... Salem Witch Trials, the exploding masses of young people suddenly becoming &#039;trans&#039;; social contagion.  Have you never heard of such a thing?  Doomsday cults and manias are nothing new, Snow on Pine. This time it is UFOs, or global warming, or genocide of trannies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do they gain by lying? </p>
<p>Bless your heart.  Money, clicks, to be part of a &#8220;movement,&#8221; &#8230;. Salem Witch Trials, the exploding masses of young people suddenly becoming &#8216;trans&#8217;; social contagion.  Have you never heard of such a thing?  Doomsday cults and manias are nothing new, Snow on Pine. This time it is UFOs, or global warming, or genocide of trannies.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/09/open-thread-1-9-24/#comment-2717409</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan— If you believe the conclusions of UFO researcher Richard Dolan, who has been researching UFOs for 30 years, as our human technological progress has grown—and starting  with the development of the atomic bomb—so has the level of UFO activities and surveillance.    

It seems to me that, as we apparently approach some sort of Singularity, the impression that I am getting is that UFO activity, especially here in the U.S.,  has noticeably and substantially increased.

P.S.  Much is being made of the upcoming classified briefing this Friday for members of the House Oversight Committee, to be given by the Intelligence Community IG, this briefing to take place in a SCIF.

However, as I understand it, the key committees having oversight over the UFO issue would be the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, whose members and staff should have the requisite high clearances.

I don&#039;t believe that the members of the House Oversight Committee have high enough clearances to be able to be briefed on a lot of the highly classified information which the IG has apparently received from Grusch and his supporting witnesses.

Thus, this &quot;classified briefing&quot; may be a great big nothing burger but, even if these members were to be given a bunch of classified information, since it&#039;s &quot;classified,&quot; they won&#039;t be able to share it with the public. 

In fact, as Congressman Burchette has pointed out, if they were to be given a lot of classified information covering a wide range of topics in some depth, this would actually have the effect of preventing them from commenting publicly on those topics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan— If you believe the conclusions of UFO researcher Richard Dolan, who has been researching UFOs for 30 years, as our human technological progress has grown—and starting  with the development of the atomic bomb—so has the level of UFO activities and surveillance.    </p>
<p>It seems to me that, as we apparently approach some sort of Singularity, the impression that I am getting is that UFO activity, especially here in the U.S.,  has noticeably and substantially increased.</p>
<p>P.S.  Much is being made of the upcoming classified briefing this Friday for members of the House Oversight Committee, to be given by the Intelligence Community IG, this briefing to take place in a SCIF.</p>
<p>However, as I understand it, the key committees having oversight over the UFO issue would be the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, whose members and staff should have the requisite high clearances.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that the members of the House Oversight Committee have high enough clearances to be able to be briefed on a lot of the highly classified information which the IG has apparently received from Grusch and his supporting witnesses.</p>
<p>Thus, this &#8220;classified briefing&#8221; may be a great big nothing burger but, even if these members were to be given a bunch of classified information, since it&#8217;s &#8220;classified,&#8221; they won&#8217;t be able to share it with the public. </p>
<p>In fact, as Congressman Burchette has pointed out, if they were to be given a lot of classified information covering a wide range of topics in some depth, this would actually have the effect of preventing them from commenting publicly on those topics.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy--Well, then, what do you make of the supposed first hand, eye witnesses Corbell says observed this UFO flying over one of our military bases in Iraq?

Are they all just made up by Jeremy Corbell--and there really are no witnesses?

Are they all, for some reason, lying?

Or, are they all just bat shit crazy?

Inquiring minds want to know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy&#8211;Well, then, what do you make of the supposed first hand, eye witnesses Corbell says observed this UFO flying over one of our military bases in Iraq?</p>
<p>Are they all just made up by Jeremy Corbell&#8211;and there really are no witnesses?</p>
<p>Are they all, for some reason, lying?</p>
<p>Or, are they all just bat shit crazy?</p>
<p>Inquiring minds want to know.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 10:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan--Thanks for the link.  

The short overview is a fair summation of the current state of play.

More and more legitimate UFO researchers (and others) are jumping into the UFO mosh pit, more and more theories are being aired, more organizations are joining the fray, more and more leaks are slowly turning up and the more I, at least, learn the more, it seems that, surveillance/activities by UFOs have been escalating.

These vehicles, of various shapes, sizes, and behaviors--we are coming to learn--have been, and apparently are increasingly everywhere--crisscrossing our skies, hovering over (and sometimes interfering with) our military &quot;assets&quot; and activities, in orbit around the Earth, diving into and out of, and moving through our oceans, lakes, and other bodies of water. 

They are, it seems, everywhere, some UFOs moving so fast though that, without highly specialized surveillance equipment and techniques, we cannot perceive them. 

It&#039;s just that, up until now, the public has not been given enough information to get an appreciation for the true magnitude and world-wide scope of these UFO activities. 

Now, though, these incursions into our environment, into our world, can no longer just be ignored. Even slow on the uptake, dumb old Congress is getting into the act. 

Perhaps I am wrong, but I sense that the truth about the UFO Phenomenon which our government has held so tightly is about to burst forth.  

Like underground magma moving up towards a surface eruption, pressure is building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan&#8211;Thanks for the link.  </p>
<p>The short overview is a fair summation of the current state of play.</p>
<p>More and more legitimate UFO researchers (and others) are jumping into the UFO mosh pit, more and more theories are being aired, more organizations are joining the fray, more and more leaks are slowly turning up and the more I, at least, learn the more, it seems that, surveillance/activities by UFOs have been escalating.</p>
<p>These vehicles, of various shapes, sizes, and behaviors&#8211;we are coming to learn&#8211;have been, and apparently are increasingly everywhere&#8211;crisscrossing our skies, hovering over (and sometimes interfering with) our military &#8220;assets&#8221; and activities, in orbit around the Earth, diving into and out of, and moving through our oceans, lakes, and other bodies of water. </p>
<p>They are, it seems, everywhere, some UFOs moving so fast though that, without highly specialized surveillance equipment and techniques, we cannot perceive them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that, up until now, the public has not been given enough information to get an appreciation for the true magnitude and world-wide scope of these UFO activities. </p>
<p>Now, though, these incursions into our environment, into our world, can no longer just be ignored. Even slow on the uptake, dumb old Congress is getting into the act. </p>
<p>Perhaps I am wrong, but I sense that the truth about the UFO Phenomenon which our government has held so tightly is about to burst forth.  </p>
<p>Like underground magma moving up towards a surface eruption, pressure is building.</p>
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