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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717230</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Oligoncella &#062; &quot;After repeated sessions at the real painting it starts looking like post modern art, which is exactly the mockery I’m looking for.&quot;

I was amused, and even more so with Neo&#039;s link.
Seems to me your works are an artistic analog to The Sokal Hoax.
Buying Picasso&#039;s palettes is just pretentious -- but hey, it&#039;s their $70K!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Oligoncella &gt; &#8220;After repeated sessions at the real painting it starts looking like post modern art, which is exactly the mockery I’m looking for.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was amused, and even more so with Neo&#8217;s link.<br />
Seems to me your works are an artistic analog to The Sokal Hoax.<br />
Buying Picasso&#8217;s palettes is just pretentious &#8212; but hey, it&#8217;s their $70K!</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crasey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW

&quot;Each lock chamber requires 26,700,000 US gal (101,000 m3) of water to fill it from the lowered to the raised position; the same amount of water must be drained from the chamber to lower it again.[7] Embedded in the side and center walls are three large water culverts that are used to carry water from the lake into the chambers to raise them, and from each chamber down to the next, or to the sea, to lower them. These culverts start at a diameter of 22 ft (6.71 m) and reduce to 18 ft (5.49 m) in diameter, large enough to accommodate a train. Cross culverts branch off from these main culverts, running under the lock chambers to openings in the floors. There are fourteen cross culverts in each chamber, each with five openings; seven cross culverts from the sidewall main culverts alternate with seven from the center wall culvert.[8]

The water is moved by gravity and is controlled by huge valves in the culverts. Each cross culvert is independently controlled.[8] A lock chamber can be filled in as little as ten minutes.[9] &quot;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_locks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW</p>
<p>&#8220;Each lock chamber requires 26,700,000 US gal (101,000 m3) of water to fill it from the lowered to the raised position; the same amount of water must be drained from the chamber to lower it again.[7] Embedded in the side and center walls are three large water culverts that are used to carry water from the lake into the chambers to raise them, and from each chamber down to the next, or to the sea, to lower them. These culverts start at a diameter of 22 ft (6.71 m) and reduce to 18 ft (5.49 m) in diameter, large enough to accommodate a train. Cross culverts branch off from these main culverts, running under the lock chambers to openings in the floors. There are fourteen cross culverts in each chamber, each with five openings; seven cross culverts from the sidewall main culverts alternate with seven from the center wall culvert.[8]</p>
<p>The water is moved by gravity and is controlled by huge valves in the culverts. Each cross culvert is independently controlled.[8] A lock chamber can be filled in as little as ten minutes.[9] &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_locks" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_locks</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717218</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oligonicella:

Kind of &lt;a href=&quot;https://hypebeast.com/2020/6/pablo-picasso-sothebys-auction-paint-palettes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;like this&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oligonicella:</p>
<p>Kind of <a href="https://hypebeast.com/2020/6/pablo-picasso-sothebys-auction-paint-palettes" rel="nofollow ugc">like this</a>?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 02:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a blogger who wants to raise his productivity with Chat.
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why does ChatGPT constantly lie?
Maybe it has to do with the reasons humans use language.&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-does-chatgpt-constantly-lie&lt;/i&gt;
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He asks Chat:
______________________

&lt;i&gt; Write a blog post in the style of Noah Smith from Bloomberg about why wage councils are a bad idea for a California and include arguments and quotes form Arin Dube.&lt;/i&gt;
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It would be great if Chat could pull this off. No blogger would ever have to write a post again. 

I don&#039;t expect this from Chat. I mostly ask sharply focused questions or provide interesting prompts for Chat to create something.

Chat is not Deep Thought from Douglas Adams&#039; &quot;Hitchihker&#039;s Guide to the Galaxy.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a blogger who wants to raise his productivity with Chat.<br />
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<p><i><b>Why does ChatGPT constantly lie?<br />
Maybe it has to do with the reasons humans use language.</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-does-chatgpt-constantly-lie" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-does-chatgpt-constantly-lie</a></i><br />
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<p>He asks Chat:<br />
______________________</p>
<p><i> Write a blog post in the style of Noah Smith from Bloomberg about why wage councils are a bad idea for a California and include arguments and quotes form Arin Dube.</i><br />
______________________</p>
<p>It would be great if Chat could pull this off. No blogger would ever have to write a post again. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect this from Chat. I mostly ask sharply focused questions or provide interesting prompts for Chat to create something.</p>
<p>Chat is not Deep Thought from Douglas Adams&#8217; &#8220;Hitchihker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 02:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been through a few canal and river locks, and I would be very surprised if each of the Panama Canal locks wasn&#039;t supported by set of high-volume, low pressure pumps.  Relying on gravity drainage to fill a lock is going to be very slow going toward the end of the cycle.  Pumps make the rate reliable and by design, fast - and time is money in such a high-traffic environment.

I&#039;m not surprised to see them using fresh water, and would bet that a side benefit might be acting as a buffer against invasive species, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been through a few canal and river locks, and I would be very surprised if each of the Panama Canal locks wasn&#8217;t supported by set of high-volume, low pressure pumps.  Relying on gravity drainage to fill a lock is going to be very slow going toward the end of the cycle.  Pumps make the rate reliable and by design, fast &#8211; and time is money in such a high-traffic environment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to see them using fresh water, and would bet that a side benefit might be acting as a buffer against invasive species, too.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717210</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 02:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;maybe the fact that chat gtp has learned to lie&lt;/i&gt;

Humans learned to lie a long time ago. Yet, we still listen to other human beings.

I don&#039;t believe Chat &quot;lies&quot; -- or at least not intentionally, purposefully as humans do.  However, it does make stuff up. 

My impression: It converts its training into some deep representation. It applies this representation to a prompt. The result has gaps. Chat fills them in plausible ways. 

Caveat emptor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>maybe the fact that chat gtp has learned to lie</i></p>
<p>Humans learned to lie a long time ago. Yet, we still listen to other human beings.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Chat &#8220;lies&#8221; &#8212; or at least not intentionally, purposefully as humans do.  However, it does make stuff up. </p>
<p>My impression: It converts its training into some deep representation. It applies this representation to a prompt. The result has gaps. Chat fills them in plausible ways. </p>
<p>Caveat emptor.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717208</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the matter of the fake citations, that michael cohen (speaking of fake) fell for, it takes a certain intelligence to fabricate, think of michael bellesiles, who sourced records of gun permits that didn&#039;t actually exist, and then furthermore he was rewarded with another book contract,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the matter of the fake citations, that michael cohen (speaking of fake) fell for, it takes a certain intelligence to fabricate, think of michael bellesiles, who sourced records of gun permits that didn&#8217;t actually exist, and then furthermore he was rewarded with another book contract,</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought neo&#039;s point in &quot;Random thoughts of the day&quot; was quite valid:
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&lt;i&gt;....any source of information, be it tedious old-fashioned library work, Google, or AI so far (and maybe into the future), is vulnerable to “garbage in, garbage out.” The human consumer always has to decide what’s true and what’s false, what’s real and what’s fake, what’s biased and what’s objective. &lt;/i&gt;
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AI or not, we are always stuck with the responsibility of deciding for ourselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought neo&#8217;s point in &#8220;Random thoughts of the day&#8221; was quite valid:<br />
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<p><i>&#8230;.any source of information, be it tedious old-fashioned library work, Google, or AI so far (and maybe into the future), is vulnerable to “garbage in, garbage out.” The human consumer always has to decide what’s true and what’s false, what’s real and what’s fake, what’s biased and what’s objective. </i><br />
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<p>AI or not, we are always stuck with the responsibility of deciding for ourselves.</p>
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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717204</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oligonicella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes:
&lt;i&gt;maybe the fact that chat gtp has learned to lie,...&lt;/i&gt;

More probably a restriction governing the output.  A simple edict such as &quot;Don&#039;t ever say &#039;I don&#039;t know&#039;.&quot; would do the trick.  

&quot;Never attribute to AI intelligence that which can be explained by owner bias.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes:<br />
<i>maybe the fact that chat gtp has learned to lie,&#8230;</i></p>
<p>More probably a restriction governing the output.  A simple edict such as &#8220;Don&#8217;t ever say &#8216;I don&#8217;t know&#8217;.&#8221; would do the trick.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Never attribute to AI intelligence that which can be explained by owner bias.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/01/08/open-thread-1-8-24/#comment-2717201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oligonicella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is tangential to the topic but it amuses me so I hope it amuses you all.  

I have a long running joke of a habit as I paint.  I clean my palette board off at the end of each session because I use a mix that dries fairly rapidly.  I do this by scraping with a palette knife and then smearing it on a smaller canvas.  

After repeated sessions at the real painting it starts looking like post modern art, which is exactly the mockery I&#039;m looking for.  

I&#039;ve sold two - &quot;Old Man&#039;s Lament&quot; and &quot;The Detritus of Life&quot;.  

Coming summer I&#039;ve another portrait lined up.  Maybe scrape off &quot;Clinging to Existence&quot;.  Heh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tangential to the topic but it amuses me so I hope it amuses you all.  </p>
<p>I have a long running joke of a habit as I paint.  I clean my palette board off at the end of each session because I use a mix that dries fairly rapidly.  I do this by scraping with a palette knife and then smearing it on a smaller canvas.  </p>
<p>After repeated sessions at the real painting it starts looking like post modern art, which is exactly the mockery I&#8217;m looking for.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sold two &#8211; &#8220;Old Man&#8217;s Lament&#8221; and &#8220;The Detritus of Life&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Coming summer I&#8217;ve another portrait lined up.  Maybe scrape off &#8220;Clinging to Existence&#8221;.  Heh.</p>
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