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		By: Gringo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sgt. Mom
&lt;blockquote&gt; One of my English teachers had also taught the brothers – when when the class discovered this interesting factoid, we quizzed her about what Tommy had been like as a student. She was noncommittal, and rather tight-lipped, so we assumed that he had been a smart-ass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That was a reasonable assumption. When I was a senior in high school. I took a Music Appreciation class. The teacher had a junior high student in one of her classes who had achieved a certain measure of renown in the school,  and who  later fulfilled that early renown by winning a Pulitzer Prize.  We asked our Music Appreciation teacher what that student was like. I forget precisely what she said, but recall that whatever she said, she did not have a positive opinion of that student. Which suggests that like Tommy Smothers, he was probably  a bit of a smartass. (In later years he wrote that he had a low opinion of his junior high music teachers, so the opinion of his music teacher was reciprocated,)

Why your teacher was tight-lipped, and why my teacher was not, is probably the difference between experienced teachers and beginning teachers. Experienced teachers learn that when talking about former students, it is best to say as little as possible- especially if the former student left a negative memory. Which is why most teachers say little about a former student to the siblings of the former student. My teacher was a first-year  teacher who had yet to learn that lesson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sgt. Mom</p>
<blockquote><p> One of my English teachers had also taught the brothers – when when the class discovered this interesting factoid, we quizzed her about what Tommy had been like as a student. She was noncommittal, and rather tight-lipped, so we assumed that he had been a smart-ass.</p></blockquote>
<p>That was a reasonable assumption. When I was a senior in high school. I took a Music Appreciation class. The teacher had a junior high student in one of her classes who had achieved a certain measure of renown in the school,  and who  later fulfilled that early renown by winning a Pulitzer Prize.  We asked our Music Appreciation teacher what that student was like. I forget precisely what she said, but recall that whatever she said, she did not have a positive opinion of that student. Which suggests that like Tommy Smothers, he was probably  a bit of a smartass. (In later years he wrote that he had a low opinion of his junior high music teachers, so the opinion of his music teacher was reciprocated,)</p>
<p>Why your teacher was tight-lipped, and why my teacher was not, is probably the difference between experienced teachers and beginning teachers. Experienced teachers learn that when talking about former students, it is best to say as little as possible- especially if the former student left a negative memory. Which is why most teachers say little about a former student to the siblings of the former student. My teacher was a first-year  teacher who had yet to learn that lesson.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 14:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I did get-it that Rowan &#038; Martin’s Laugh-in (1968 to 1973) was not conservative,&lt;/i&gt;
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Richard Nixon did film clips for them and one of their writers worked on Nixon&#039;s campaign.  To the extent there was political content in their humor, it wasn&#039;t partisan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I did get-it that Rowan &amp; Martin’s Laugh-in (1968 to 1973) was not conservative,</i><br />
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Richard Nixon did film clips for them and one of their writers worked on Nixon&#8217;s campaign.  To the extent there was political content in their humor, it wasn&#8217;t partisan.</p>
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		By: Sgt. Mom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An odd personal co-incidence, with the Smothers brothers - they both attended the high school that I graduated from; Verdugo Hills, in Sunland-Tujunga, although I believe Tommy graduated from another school. Tommy ran track, and set a number of records, which we knew about because my brother was also on the track team, years later. One of my English teachers had also taught the brothers - when when the class discovered this interesting factoid, we quizzed her about what Tommy had been like as a student. She was noncommittal, and rather tight-lipped, so we assumed that he had been a smart-ass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An odd personal co-incidence, with the Smothers brothers &#8211; they both attended the high school that I graduated from; Verdugo Hills, in Sunland-Tujunga, although I believe Tommy graduated from another school. Tommy ran track, and set a number of records, which we knew about because my brother was also on the track team, years later. One of my English teachers had also taught the brothers &#8211; when when the class discovered this interesting factoid, we quizzed her about what Tommy had been like as a student. She was noncommittal, and rather tight-lipped, so we assumed that he had been a smart-ass.</p>
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		By: SCOTTtheBADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 06:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always think of my favorite Aunt, Aunt Marianne, when the Civil War comes up, because of Tommy Smothers. They were about to sing a song from the Civil War, and Tommy said, &quot; They Great War, the Civil War, Fathers shooting sons, brothers shooting brothers, aunts shooting nephews. &quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always think of my favorite Aunt, Aunt Marianne, when the Civil War comes up, because of Tommy Smothers. They were about to sing a song from the Civil War, and Tommy said, &#8221; They Great War, the Civil War, Fathers shooting sons, brothers shooting brothers, aunts shooting nephews. &#8220;.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 05:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Dwaz &#038; huxley &#062; Tommy&#039;s politics went over my head, as I wasn&#039;t very clued-in as a high-schooler when their show was running 1967 to 1969.  I did get-it that Rowan &#038; Martin&#039;s Laugh-in (1968 to 1973) was not conservative, but neither was I at the time (or so I thought; you don&#039;t have to get much off-center in a small Texas town to be a liberal).

We didn&#039;t care about the politics as much as the music and jokes.
I can still sing several of the Brothers&#039; comedy bits (without the repartee), but I didn&#039;t appreciate their true musicianship until later.

I wish we had more shows like that on TV now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dwaz &amp; huxley &gt; Tommy&#8217;s politics went over my head, as I wasn&#8217;t very clued-in as a high-schooler when their show was running 1967 to 1969.  I did get-it that Rowan &amp; Martin&#8217;s Laugh-in (1968 to 1973) was not conservative, but neither was I at the time (or so I thought; you don&#8217;t have to get much off-center in a small Texas town to be a liberal).</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t care about the politics as much as the music and jokes.<br />
I can still sing several of the Brothers&#8217; comedy bits (without the repartee), but I didn&#8217;t appreciate their true musicianship until later.</p>
<p>I wish we had more shows like that on TV now.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 04:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Superb Anchoress post. Thanks much for posting it....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb Anchoress post. Thanks much for posting it&#8230;.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/28/rip-tommy-smothers/#comment-2715512</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But there were good times....

Here&#039;s Tommy on the &quot;Tonight Show&quot; around the time Carson was retiring in which Tommy nailed an impression of Carson, then expressed his desire to be Carson&#039;s replacement and his hurt feelings that he wasn&#039;t. I&#039;ve watched this a number of times.

&lt;i&gt;--&quot;Tommy Smothers dead-on imitation of Johnny Carson - Feb 20, 1992&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghxf-HS6go&lt;/i&gt;

Tommy really bears a resemblance to Carson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there were good times&#8230;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Tommy on the &#8220;Tonight Show&#8221; around the time Carson was retiring in which Tommy nailed an impression of Carson, then expressed his desire to be Carson&#8217;s replacement and his hurt feelings that he wasn&#8217;t. I&#8217;ve watched this a number of times.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;&#8220;Tommy Smothers dead-on imitation of Johnny Carson &#8211; Feb 20, 1992&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghxf-HS6go" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghxf-HS6go</a></i></p>
<p>Tommy really bears a resemblance to Carson.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 03:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dwaz:

My guess is that you are referring to this exchange between Jillette and Tommy in which Jillette recounts his appearance on Glenn Beck, then argues there is a similarity between the Glenn Beck and SmoBros shows.

Tommy was not amused. Not at all.

&lt;i&gt;--&quot;the green room with paul provenza 1.06&quot;
https://youtu.be/5Gcdghx87gM?t=390&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s the Anchoress writing on the incident way back in 2009:
___________________________________

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Smothers was furious that Jillette would talk to “the enemy,” Glenn Beck, &lt;/b&gt;but he (and the left) were furious when President Bush would not talk to Iran. All Jillette is doing, really, is what Obama is now doing with Iran: talking to “the enemy” without preconditions. You’d think Smothers would admire that, after all. Yes, irony.

What we call “liberalism” today is something strikingly illiberal.

--Elizabeth Scalia (The Anchoress), &quot;Penn Jillette And Tommy Smothers&quot; (2009)
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/10/22/penn-jillette-tommy-smothers/&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwaz:</p>
<p>My guess is that you are referring to this exchange between Jillette and Tommy in which Jillette recounts his appearance on Glenn Beck, then argues there is a similarity between the Glenn Beck and SmoBros shows.</p>
<p>Tommy was not amused. Not at all.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;&#8220;the green room with paul provenza 1.06&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/5Gcdghx87gM?t=390" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/5Gcdghx87gM?t=390</a></i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Anchoress writing on the incident way back in 2009:<br />
___________________________________</p>
<p><i><b>Smothers was furious that Jillette would talk to “the enemy,” Glenn Beck, </b>but he (and the left) were furious when President Bush would not talk to Iran. All Jillette is doing, really, is what Obama is now doing with Iran: talking to “the enemy” without preconditions. You’d think Smothers would admire that, after all. Yes, irony.</p>
<p>What we call “liberalism” today is something strikingly illiberal.</p>
<p>&#8211;Elizabeth Scalia (The Anchoress), &#8220;Penn Jillette And Tommy Smothers&#8221; (2009)<br />
<a href="https://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/10/22/penn-jillette-tommy-smothers/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/10/22/penn-jillette-tommy-smothers/</a></i></p>
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		By: Dwaz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was always a fan of their albums. My respect for Tommy plummeted when Penn Jillette wrote in one of his books that their friendship was ended immediately when Penn merely appeared on Sean Hannity&#039;s show to debate him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always a fan of their albums. My respect for Tommy plummeted when Penn Jillette wrote in one of his books that their friendship was ended immediately when Penn merely appeared on Sean Hannity&#8217;s show to debate him.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2023 01:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris B
&lt;blockquote&gt;loved their version of “Streets of Laredo” which ended with “if you get an outfit you can be a cowboy too” (you have to listen to the whole thing to appreciate how surprising and funny that last line was).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I remember the ending- hilarious. I had forgotten it was a Smothers Brothers performance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris B</p>
<blockquote><p>loved their version of “Streets of Laredo” which ended with “if you get an outfit you can be a cowboy too” (you have to listen to the whole thing to appreciate how surprising and funny that last line was).</p></blockquote>
<p>I remember the ending- hilarious. I had forgotten it was a Smothers Brothers performance.</p>
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