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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that was Nietsches point from a different angle,
https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1738541704414671307]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was Nietsches point from a different angle,<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1738541704414671307" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1738541704414671307</a></p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/21/open-thread-12-21-23/#comment-2714710</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly Brown, THANK YOU for turning me to Peterson&#039;s Exodus series. To pick a Dr. Os Guinness quote out of episode 1, &quot;Truth is always about something, as C. S. Lewis used to say, and what it&#039;s about is reality. And people are going to hit the wall today because there IS reality.&quot;

And, &quot;If there is no God, everything is permitted.&quot; - Dostoevsky]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly Brown, THANK YOU for turning me to Peterson&#8217;s Exodus series. To pick a Dr. Os Guinness quote out of episode 1, &#8220;Truth is always about something, as C. S. Lewis used to say, and what it&#8217;s about is reality. And people are going to hit the wall today because there IS reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, &#8220;If there is no God, everything is permitted.&#8221; &#8211; Dostoevsky</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[reconquista or al hijra is what is going on here,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reconquista or al hijra is what is going on here,</p>
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		By: Stewart		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/21/open-thread-12-21-23/#comment-2714699</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Islamists being brought and distributed around the US are the greatest threat to the. Western Europe is already lost. This is a deliberate destruction it is planned and is being deliberately executed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Islamists being brought and distributed around the US are the greatest threat to the. Western Europe is already lost. This is a deliberate destruction it is planned and is being deliberately executed.</p>
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		By: Marlene		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 05:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;many illegals will self-deport, rather than wait to be caught by law enforcement.&quot;
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 I&#039;m not convinced illegals will self-deport ever again.  Leftists will continue to file lawsuits, defending the illegals who made it to America. 
And most defenses will be paid by citizen taxpayers. 
The marxist left won&#039;t give up the deceptive, anti-American arguments for amnesty just because the Dems aren&#039;t in power. 
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&quot;many of them disappeared ...&quot;
&quot;Disappeared&quot; does not mean they left our country.  Nor left our generous economy. 
Living with others who live on various types of American welfare is not hard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;many illegals will self-deport, rather than wait to be caught by law enforcement.&#8221;<br />
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 I&#8217;m not convinced illegals will self-deport ever again.  Leftists will continue to file lawsuits, defending the illegals who made it to America.<br />
And most defenses will be paid by citizen taxpayers.<br />
The marxist left won&#8217;t give up the deceptive, anti-American arguments for amnesty just because the Dems aren&#8217;t in power.<br />
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&#8220;many of them disappeared &#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Disappeared&#8221; does not mean they left our country.  Nor left our generous economy.<br />
Living with others who live on various types of American welfare is not hard.</p>
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		By: Jordan Rivers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2023 06:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anne,

Adding to the good replies to your question above. If the rule of law is reestablished and deportations are ramped up, many illegals will self-deport, rather than wait to be caught by law enforcement.

I worked for a company which employed many illegal aliens in 2016. When Trump was elected, many  of them disappeared and the company was quite shorthanded until replacements could be hired.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,</p>
<p>Adding to the good replies to your question above. If the rule of law is reestablished and deportations are ramped up, many illegals will self-deport, rather than wait to be caught by law enforcement.</p>
<p>I worked for a company which employed many illegal aliens in 2016. When Trump was elected, many  of them disappeared and the company was quite shorthanded until replacements could be hired.</p>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2023 04:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric O&#039;keef and other X posters have accumulated video evidence of new illegals bussed directly from the border to Phoenix Sky Harbor airport. In questioning, groups of Africans and Chiapas illegals are asked where they are going by plane. NYC and Charlotte get mentioned.

Zerohedge has a roundup of video clips. O&#039;Keefe says the public has a right to know!

HELL yeah.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/james-okeefe-confronts-bus-driver-shipping-migrants-border-phoenix-airport

A few weeks ago, I was in Sky Harbor changing planes to go to Miami.

I waited for a group of obviously dark young Africans. From past exposure, I expected to hear French from Haitians.

Instead I heard Arabic. They did not join me on my fight and obviously were headed elsewhere. But naturally, I thought about new stories like this one -- secret flights, often at night, and in this report, Delta doing the flying.

Biden does so many, many things in secret, without accountability.

Speaker Mike Johnson, get on this...Stat!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric O&#8217;keef and other X posters have accumulated video evidence of new illegals bussed directly from the border to Phoenix Sky Harbor airport. In questioning, groups of Africans and Chiapas illegals are asked where they are going by plane. NYC and Charlotte get mentioned.</p>
<p>Zerohedge has a roundup of video clips. O&#8217;Keefe says the public has a right to know!</p>
<p>HELL yeah.<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/james-okeefe-confronts-bus-driver-shipping-migrants-border-phoenix-airport" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/james-okeefe-confronts-bus-driver-shipping-migrants-border-phoenix-airport</a></p>
<p>A few weeks ago, I was in Sky Harbor changing planes to go to Miami.</p>
<p>I waited for a group of obviously dark young Africans. From past exposure, I expected to hear French from Haitians.</p>
<p>Instead I heard Arabic. They did not join me on my fight and obviously were headed elsewhere. But naturally, I thought about new stories like this one &#8212; secret flights, often at night, and in this report, Delta doing the flying.</p>
<p>Biden does so many, many things in secret, without accountability.</p>
<p>Speaker Mike Johnson, get on this&#8230;Stat!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2023 04:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly Brown:

I watched about 90% of the Exodus series.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly Brown:</p>
<p>I watched about 90% of the Exodus series.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2023 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley, who built and maintained the robot servants?

Bill K: if Schwab is evil incarnate as he is often portrayed, he would not be satisfied with machines already programmed to accept his commands. He would want human slaves who can&#039;t resist his orders even thought they have a deep desire for freedom [at least the subset that don&#039;t fit GB&#039;s knavish drones and leftist idiots].

Anne: I fear Neo&#039;s comment about immigrant children born here being citizens puts a real problem in front of mass deportations, even if many of the illegal aliens are &quot;military age men&quot;. If they see children as an anchor for residence, they will find &quot;wives&quot; quickly. Even if we make such marriages illegal, the children are still the sticking point. 
Legislation to stop all (or keep very selective)  immigration for a generation would help assimilation. Give the illegal group all a mass education in English, civics, American History, and some trade/skills. We may still want/need a 400 million population to counter the CCP, etc. And even a relatively benign India for economic parity.  Some with those skills may decide they can do even better by returning home and setting up their own businesses, etc., possibly with cross border connections? 
Legal moves to remove that birth citizen status is presumably ex post facto law and would not be constitutional until the Con is amended.  But we could make life &quot;unhappy&quot; for the  current group, with solid e-Verify for employment (and prosecution of employers), bounties on deportable illegals who do not self deport, possibly even remove the parents and let their children stay here (nah, won&#039;t happen). Others may have even better ideas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley, who built and maintained the robot servants?</p>
<p>Bill K: if Schwab is evil incarnate as he is often portrayed, he would not be satisfied with machines already programmed to accept his commands. He would want human slaves who can&#8217;t resist his orders even thought they have a deep desire for freedom [at least the subset that don&#8217;t fit GB&#8217;s knavish drones and leftist idiots].</p>
<p>Anne: I fear Neo&#8217;s comment about immigrant children born here being citizens puts a real problem in front of mass deportations, even if many of the illegal aliens are &#8220;military age men&#8221;. If they see children as an anchor for residence, they will find &#8220;wives&#8221; quickly. Even if we make such marriages illegal, the children are still the sticking point.<br />
Legislation to stop all (or keep very selective)  immigration for a generation would help assimilation. Give the illegal group all a mass education in English, civics, American History, and some trade/skills. We may still want/need a 400 million population to counter the CCP, etc. And even a relatively benign India for economic parity.  Some with those skills may decide they can do even better by returning home and setting up their own businesses, etc., possibly with cross border connections?<br />
Legal moves to remove that birth citizen status is presumably ex post facto law and would not be constitutional until the Con is amended.  But we could make life &#8220;unhappy&#8221; for the  current group, with solid e-Verify for employment (and prosecution of employers), bounties on deportable illegals who do not self deport, possibly even remove the parents and let their children stay here (nah, won&#8217;t happen). Others may have even better ideas?</p>
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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/21/open-thread-12-21-23/#comment-2714468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2023 03:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,
This post has got me wondering if you have watched Jordan Peterson&#039;s Exodus series?  If not, I highly recommend.
Per Anne&#039;s question regarding the illegals in country.  Granting birthright citizenship to the children of lawbreakers is the heart of the matter and must be addressed and ended.  Really, avoiding this issue - there is no greater failure of the political class.  And no greater proof of their fealty to their donors rather than their constituents.  Additionally, I think there is a fear on the part of some (genuine) conservatives about bringing this - a 14th Amendment clarification - before the Supreme Court and losing.  Fine, let&#039;s go there.  So we lose.  Next step, constitutional amendment.    And an opportunity to smoke out the traitors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,<br />
This post has got me wondering if you have watched Jordan Peterson&#8217;s Exodus series?  If not, I highly recommend.<br />
Per Anne&#8217;s question regarding the illegals in country.  Granting birthright citizenship to the children of lawbreakers is the heart of the matter and must be addressed and ended.  Really, avoiding this issue &#8211; there is no greater failure of the political class.  And no greater proof of their fealty to their donors rather than their constituents.  Additionally, I think there is a fear on the part of some (genuine) conservatives about bringing this &#8211; a 14th Amendment clarification &#8211; before the Supreme Court and losing.  Fine, let&#8217;s go there.  So we lose.  Next step, constitutional amendment.    And an opportunity to smoke out the traitors.</p>
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