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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 03:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Still on the AI front...

Word is many people are going to lose their jobs. The people who don&#039;t will be those who are already using AI.

It&#039;s like the old joke about two guys in the woods about to be eaten by a bear. One of them realizes he only has to outrun his companion...

Pass the word on to those you know in the work force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still on the AI front&#8230;</p>
<p>Word is many people are going to lose their jobs. The people who don&#8217;t will be those who are already using AI.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the old joke about two guys in the woods about to be eaten by a bear. One of them realizes he only has to outrun his companion&#8230;</p>
<p>Pass the word on to those you know in the work force.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 03:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On Ms. Conway&#039;s strategy; clearly a knowledgeable male can make the same pro-life arguments as a women, but not with the same credibility - especially if that woman already is a mother with two children.

But I hear almost nothing from the pro-life side (male or female) addressing the core disconnect about life - when does it begin? whose body and how many bodies [or persons!] are a pregnant woman carrying around? The scientific fact that genetically there is no point after contraception that adds any more &quot;humanity&quot; to the fetus than from whence it started.  Abortion as an after the fact/failed contraceptive convenience is an abhorrent moral posture.  

Politically someone may have to say &quot;Ideally I am for no abortions (with selected valid exceptions), but for practical political purposes I will accept half a loaf of 15 weeks, or 12 weeks, etc. until the society can be convinced and persuaded to the errors of the pro-abortion Leftist and Planned Parenthood position.&quot; But even that compromise position seems to get too little proclamation. Or I am not reading the right sources??

But we can all thank our mothers that she did not get an abortion.
And if you believe in God, you can thank Him that she did not have a miscarriage. 
However, most of us have said or done something dumb enough to present the possibility that we were dropped on our heads shortly after birth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Ms. Conway&#8217;s strategy; clearly a knowledgeable male can make the same pro-life arguments as a women, but not with the same credibility &#8211; especially if that woman already is a mother with two children.</p>
<p>But I hear almost nothing from the pro-life side (male or female) addressing the core disconnect about life &#8211; when does it begin? whose body and how many bodies [or persons!] are a pregnant woman carrying around? The scientific fact that genetically there is no point after contraception that adds any more &#8220;humanity&#8221; to the fetus than from whence it started.  Abortion as an after the fact/failed contraceptive convenience is an abhorrent moral posture.  </p>
<p>Politically someone may have to say &#8220;Ideally I am for no abortions (with selected valid exceptions), but for practical political purposes I will accept half a loaf of 15 weeks, or 12 weeks, etc. until the society can be convinced and persuaded to the errors of the pro-abortion Leftist and Planned Parenthood position.&#8221; But even that compromise position seems to get too little proclamation. Or I am not reading the right sources??</p>
<p>But we can all thank our mothers that she did not get an abortion.<br />
And if you believe in God, you can thank Him that she did not have a miscarriage.<br />
However, most of us have said or done something dumb enough to present the possibility that we were dropped on our heads shortly after birth.</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/open-thread-12-16-23/#comment-2713815</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In his commentary &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/12/mutants-among-us.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mutants Among Us&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, Daniel Greenfield charts the mutational march toward a suicidal woke culture.  

&lt;i&gt;Every generation in the last 60 years has grown up with less of a sense of who it is than the previous one. The intangible sense of being an American that once came from boundless frontiers, a work ethic, a sense of fair play and meritocracy was replaced by cultural programming distributed by daily newspapers, big publishing houses and movie theaters, then television networks and colleges, and finally a massive chaotic stream of social media sewage.&lt;/i&gt;

Sewage in/sewage out you might say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his commentary <a href="https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/12/mutants-among-us.html" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Mutants Among Us</b></a>, Daniel Greenfield charts the mutational march toward a suicidal woke culture.  </p>
<p><i>Every generation in the last 60 years has grown up with less of a sense of who it is than the previous one. The intangible sense of being an American that once came from boundless frontiers, a work ethic, a sense of fair play and meritocracy was replaced by cultural programming distributed by daily newspapers, big publishing houses and movie theaters, then television networks and colleges, and finally a massive chaotic stream of social media sewage.</i></p>
<p>Sewage in/sewage out you might say.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob Wilson:

I think she is correct - that is, if I understand what she&#039;s saying. It&#039;s somewhat unclear from that article, but I think she means that Republicans should emphasize access to birth control plus abortion with 15-week limits as well as exceptions for rape, incest, to save the life of the mother, and I would add when a fetus has a fatal birth defect incompatible with life after birth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Wilson:</p>
<p>I think she is correct &#8211; that is, if I understand what she&#8217;s saying. It&#8217;s somewhat unclear from that article, but I think she means that Republicans should emphasize access to birth control plus abortion with 15-week limits as well as exceptions for rape, incest, to save the life of the mother, and I would add when a fetus has a fatal birth defect incompatible with life after birth.</p>
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		By: Richard Cook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In kansas it was merely a restatement of dobbs also much innuendo same in ahia the prolife forces were seriously underfunded]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In kansas it was merely a restatement of dobbs also much innuendo same in ahia the prolife forces were seriously underfunded</p>
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		By: Bob Wilson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you have written about abortion occasionally. The Democrats have used it to great effect to increase their turnout in recent elections. What do you think of Kellyanne Conway’s strategy?

“Strategists and operatives from both parties argue the issue has driven more voter turnout for Democrats in state and local elections across the country, evidenced by better margins for the Democratic position in those initiatives and other races.

“Conway says such ballot initiatives haven&#039;t gone in Republicans&#039; favor because the left has pushed such measures under the guise of &quot;reproductive freedom for all,&quot; combined with the lack of exceptions for rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother in efforts to limit, or ban, abortion.

“To speak with conviction and compassion, to reflect consensus, to move hearts and minds, means that if you want to discuss a 15-week national minimum standard, then you are reflecting consensus,&quot; she said, citing statistics that show a strong majority of Americans fall within the range that there should be no abortion at all and no abortions past 15 weeks.

&quot;When you do that, you get up to 71% of America, and that reflects consensus. But it also shows conviction and compassion, because in 15 weeks, a woman knows she&#039;s pregnant and the baby can feel pain,&quot; she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-leads-charge-to-overhaul-gop-abortion-strategy-end-dems-2024-advantage/ar-AA1lCwmJ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you have written about abortion occasionally. The Democrats have used it to great effect to increase their turnout in recent elections. What do you think of Kellyanne Conway’s strategy?</p>
<p>“Strategists and operatives from both parties argue the issue has driven more voter turnout for Democrats in state and local elections across the country, evidenced by better margins for the Democratic position in those initiatives and other races.</p>
<p>“Conway says such ballot initiatives haven&#8217;t gone in Republicans&#8217; favor because the left has pushed such measures under the guise of &#8220;reproductive freedom for all,&#8221; combined with the lack of exceptions for rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother in efforts to limit, or ban, abortion.</p>
<p>“To speak with conviction and compassion, to reflect consensus, to move hearts and minds, means that if you want to discuss a 15-week national minimum standard, then you are reflecting consensus,&#8221; she said, citing statistics that show a strong majority of Americans fall within the range that there should be no abortion at all and no abortions past 15 weeks.</p>
<p>&#8220;When you do that, you get up to 71% of America, and that reflects consensus. But it also shows conviction and compassion, because in 15 weeks, a woman knows she&#8217;s pregnant and the baby can feel pain,&#8221; she added.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-leads-charge-to-overhaul-gop-abortion-strategy-end-dems-2024-advantage/ar-AA1lCwmJ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-leads-charge-to-overhaul-gop-abortion-strategy-end-dems-2024-advantage/ar-AA1lCwmJ</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/open-thread-12-16-23/#comment-2713771</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 15:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sunday Open Thread:  Russian War on Ukraine:

&lt;b&gt;NATO Training and Lessons from the War in Ukraine - Interview with General Ben Hodges (Ret.) -Perun&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9CBdzpZEmw

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Timestamps:
00:00:00 — Opening Words
00:01:35 — What Are We Talking About?
00:03:37 — Lessons From The Battlefield
00:03:56 — Q: Ensuring Training Delivers Value
00:07:44 — Q: Training For The Environment
00:12:56 — Q: Keeping Up With Adaptation
00:15:56 — Q: Observers And Lessons Learned
00:19:41 — Q: Lessons So Far?
00:22:28 — Q: Wargaming and Assumptions
00:25:32 — Q: Training Pre-2022
00:28:08 — Q: Evolution Of The Training Mission
00:34:30 — Q: Training Efforts Post 02/2022
00:37:22 — Q: Higher Level Training Requirements
00:40:47 — Q: Force Regeneration
00:43:24 — Cohesion And Training As A Unit
00:44:36 — Answer Pt.2: Force Regeneration
00:46:09 — Training Program Abbreviation
00:47:35 — Evaluating 2023
00:48:21 — Q: Outcome Vs Commitment
00:52:12 — Priorities, Resources &#038; THAAD
00:54:01 — Q: The Path To 2025
01:02:20 — Conclusion
01:03:50 — Channel Update
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry but it&#039;s not Tucker Carlson or Col. MacGreagor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday Open Thread:  Russian War on Ukraine:</p>
<p><b>NATO Training and Lessons from the War in Ukraine &#8211; Interview with General Ben Hodges (Ret.) -Perun</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9CBdzpZEmw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9CBdzpZEmw</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Timestamps:<br />
00:00:00 — Opening Words<br />
00:01:35 — What Are We Talking About?<br />
00:03:37 — Lessons From The Battlefield<br />
00:03:56 — Q: Ensuring Training Delivers Value<br />
00:07:44 — Q: Training For The Environment<br />
00:12:56 — Q: Keeping Up With Adaptation<br />
00:15:56 — Q: Observers And Lessons Learned<br />
00:19:41 — Q: Lessons So Far?<br />
00:22:28 — Q: Wargaming and Assumptions<br />
00:25:32 — Q: Training Pre-2022<br />
00:28:08 — Q: Evolution Of The Training Mission<br />
00:34:30 — Q: Training Efforts Post 02/2022<br />
00:37:22 — Q: Higher Level Training Requirements<br />
00:40:47 — Q: Force Regeneration<br />
00:43:24 — Cohesion And Training As A Unit<br />
00:44:36 — Answer Pt.2: Force Regeneration<br />
00:46:09 — Training Program Abbreviation<br />
00:47:35 — Evaluating 2023<br />
00:48:21 — Q: Outcome Vs Commitment<br />
00:52:12 — Priorities, Resources &amp; THAAD<br />
00:54:01 — Q: The Path To 2025<br />
01:02:20 — Conclusion<br />
01:03:50 — Channel Update
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<p>Sorry but it&#8217;s not Tucker Carlson or Col. MacGreagor.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/open-thread-12-16-23/#comment-2713766</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A touch belated, here&#039;s a birthday thank you to the great L. van Beethoven with an Alfred Brendel performance of Beethoven&#039;s 5 variations on &quot;Rule Brittania&quot;: https://youtu.be/eHvfkgvRaTc?si=l1jVx7LJUSra9ttM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A touch belated, here&#8217;s a birthday thank you to the great L. van Beethoven with an Alfred Brendel performance of Beethoven&#8217;s 5 variations on &#8220;Rule Brittania&#8221;: <a href="https://youtu.be/eHvfkgvRaTc?si=l1jVx7LJUSra9ttM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/eHvfkgvRaTc?si=l1jVx7LJUSra9ttM</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...last place I lived was Big Sur, first house north of Bixby Bridge. Was a caretaker for Allen Funt, whose house was on the point by the bridge.&lt;/i&gt;

jim:

We are not worthy!

Here&#039;s one of Death Cab for Cutie&#039;s best songs. The songwriter, Ben Gibbard, idolized Jack Kerouac and made a pilgrimage to the Big Sur cabin Lawrence Ferlinghetti lent Kerouac so Kerouac could, hopefully, put his life back together. Didn&#039;t work out that way.
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I descended a dusty, gravel ridge beneath the Bixby Canyon Bridge
Until I eventually arrived at the place where your soul had died
And barefoot in the shallow creek I grabbed some stones from underneath
And waited for you to speak to me

But in the silence it became so very clear that you had long ago disappeared&lt;/b&gt;
And I cursed myself for being surprised that this didn’t play like it did in my mind
All the way from San Francisco as I chased the end of your road
‘Cause I’ve still got miles to go

--&quot;Death Cab For Cutie - Bixby Canyon Bridge&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coC1rDgP9hU&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;last place I lived was Big Sur, first house north of Bixby Bridge. Was a caretaker for Allen Funt, whose house was on the point by the bridge.</i></p>
<p>jim:</p>
<p>We are not worthy!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one of Death Cab for Cutie&#8217;s best songs. The songwriter, Ben Gibbard, idolized Jack Kerouac and made a pilgrimage to the Big Sur cabin Lawrence Ferlinghetti lent Kerouac so Kerouac could, hopefully, put his life back together. Didn&#8217;t work out that way.<br />
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<p><i><b>I descended a dusty, gravel ridge beneath the Bixby Canyon Bridge<br />
Until I eventually arrived at the place where your soul had died<br />
And barefoot in the shallow creek I grabbed some stones from underneath<br />
And waited for you to speak to me</p>
<p>But in the silence it became so very clear that you had long ago disappeared</b><br />
And I cursed myself for being surprised that this didn’t play like it did in my mind<br />
All the way from San Francisco as I chased the end of your road<br />
‘Cause I’ve still got miles to go</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8220;Death Cab For Cutie &#8211; Bixby Canyon Bridge&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coC1rDgP9hU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coC1rDgP9hU</a></i></p>
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