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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://thefederalist.com/2023/12/18/meet-lawyer-michael-dreeben-the-man-behind-three-major-anti-trump-operations/]]></description>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 02:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo - You are correct about the jury verdict on liability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8211; You are correct about the jury verdict on liability.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 00:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Act Blue recruit runs his mouth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Act Blue recruit runs his mouth.</p>
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		<title>
		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That cnn byline assures us they could never get a clue even if they got it for free]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That cnn byline assures us they could never get a clue even if they got it for free</p>
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		<title>
		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Furthermore a trial on the dominion machine is finally coming to bear a hearing that should have been done in october 2020]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore a trial on the dominion machine is finally coming to bear a hearing that should have been done in october 2020</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713817</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He told greg kelly he is solvent for now.

But as we see this is an appendage of the 65 project that has gone after bannon navarro clark eastman]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He told greg kelly he is solvent for now.</p>
<p>But as we see this is an appendage of the 65 project that has gone after bannon navarro clark eastman</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713816</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw what they did to katherine harris to ken blackwell]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw what they did to katherine harris to ken blackwell</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713812</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

My guess is because Giuliani made his statements in DC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>My guess is because Giuliani made his statements in DC.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite:

You write: &quot;A jury has now ruled that he did defame the plaintiffs, and its hard to argue the jury got that fact wrong.&quot;

Please read the last half of my post.  A jury found no such thing.  The jury only ruled on damages.  The judge had ruled that Giuliani defamed the plaintiffs, and he didn&#039;t make that ruling on the merits.  The judge made the ruling due to Giuliani&#039; failure to provide certain information, and Giuliani&#039;s defense was the claim &quot;that the FBI seizure of his electronic devices years ago had complicated his ability to access his records and that he had struggled under pricey legal fees.&quot;

However, as I already wrote, Giuliani never should have made the statements against the poll workers without absolutely ironclad evidence.  He didn&#039;t have that evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite:</p>
<p>You write: &#8220;A jury has now ruled that he did defame the plaintiffs, and its hard to argue the jury got that fact wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please read the last half of my post.  A jury found no such thing.  The jury only ruled on damages.  The judge had ruled that Giuliani defamed the plaintiffs, and he didn&#8217;t make that ruling on the merits.  The judge made the ruling due to Giuliani&#8217; failure to provide certain information, and Giuliani&#8217;s defense was the claim &#8220;that the FBI seizure of his electronic devices years ago had complicated his ability to access his records and that he had struggled under pricey legal fees.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, as I already wrote, Giuliani never should have made the statements against the poll workers without absolutely ironclad evidence.  He didn&#8217;t have that evidence.</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/12/16/dc-jury-sets-absurdly-high-punitive-damages-for-giuliani-in-defamation-suit/#comment-2713809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes - Guiliani conceded that the statements he made were false, but argued that he had had a first amendment right to lie about the defendants. That was independent of the judge later finding liability because Guliani failed to comply with discovery requests.  

The man behaved badly. He made statements about the poll workers that he did not have the evidence to establish. It doesn&#039;t appear to be the case that he was trying to establish the truth of his statements and failed. He didn&#039;t even try. He stipulated that his statements were false.

That&#039;s not to say that the damages were OK.  They were not, to the level of being abusive. But don&#039;t pretend that Rudy didn&#039;t do anything wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel cervantes &#8211; Guiliani conceded that the statements he made were false, but argued that he had had a first amendment right to lie about the defendants. That was independent of the judge later finding liability because Guliani failed to comply with discovery requests.  </p>
<p>The man behaved badly. He made statements about the poll workers that he did not have the evidence to establish. It doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case that he was trying to establish the truth of his statements and failed. He didn&#8217;t even try. He stipulated that his statements were false.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that the damages were OK.  They were not, to the level of being abusive. But don&#8217;t pretend that Rudy didn&#8217;t do anything wrong.</p>
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