Obviously, you know much more about Islam in practice than I. If your knowledge is correct, there is no path forward between Islam and we infidels except war.

Then let us face that directly. Let us treat all Muslim nations as enemies because their beliefs place them directly in that sphere.

We didn’t do it and won’t do it because some of them are sitting vast reserves of oil and gas. The world need those reserves and will need them for many years. Also, there are many, like me, who believe that Islam can evolve.

However, if that belief is totally wrong, then we should face it and begin treating them as enemies. I would begin barring immigration form Muslim countries, I would do as little trade as possible with them. If mosques in this country will not renounce the political aspirations of Islam, I would put them on the terror watch list and ban their services.

Either they are a danger to our way life, or they aren’t. We can’t have it both ways.

In the 1960s a reformer came to some game in Sudan. Mahmoud Muhammad Taha preached that while correct for their time, the more peaceful Meccan verses should now take precedence over the later, violent Medinan verses.

Since the Meccan verses were “handed down” while Muhammad was still only a prophet it effectively would have resulted in separation of Mosque and state in all but name. His problem (and I suppose all our problem, J.J.) is that the Quran contains instructions for its own interpretation. What comes later replaces what came earlier.

The government executed Taha as an apostate in, I believe, 1986. The only reason he lasted as long as he did is that nobody really wanted to hang him. They did want him to shut up. He didn’t. Finally the authorities felt they had no choice. Demanding separation of Mosque and state is even more radical.

Someone like Zuhdi Jasser wouldn’t last long in a Sharia-complaiant country. It’s simply a matter of orthodoxy not fundamentalism.

Ibn Taimiyya was Islam’s Martin Luther except he came along in the 13th century. He demanded what Luther would later demand: that Islam jettison everything not found in the authoritative texts. If Ibn Taimiyya spoke Latin he would have demanded Sola Scriptural.

Actually I did respond to you but I practically wrote a book and it was apparently rejected. My answer now may therefore appear incomplete. Bottom line: the Quran tells Muslims to obey and model themselves on the prophet. To know how to do that the Hadith collections are required. In the ahadith Muhammad tells Muslims to obey his successors, the Calipha. Unlike the papacy the Caliphate is actually in their texts. Islam without a Caliphate is disobedience to the prophet, therefore disobedience to Allah, the author of the Quran.

You simply can’t use the Protestant reformation as a model as the texts are wildly different.

Even if you were an expert in Greek and Hebrew, and had complete and clean copies of the Torah from 600BC, 300BC, and 100AD; and of the Gospels etc. from 70AD, 100AD, and 200AD, you would find differences for various reasons, but attributable to human errors or bias. No claims that Logos was infallible as received by mankind.

This would be like, because I can’t read Koine Greek, relying entirely upon my religious leader to tell me what the New Testament says, or what the Hebrew scriptures say, because I can’t read that either.

This fact obliterates the excuse–often used by Muslim spokesmen/ideologues in debates–that anything other than the original version of the Qur’an, in it’s original Arabic of the time, is not really the authoritative Qur’an i.e. if you aren’t reading/can’t understand the Qur’an in its original language, and debating what that language says, you aren’t really dealing with the true Qur’an.

Since the elements of this triangle have been some of the major targets of Leftist infiltration, subversion, and parasitism, all of that integrative apparatus which taught and fostered patriotism, Americanism, and traditional American moral values has either been totally dismantled, or greatly weakened, especially in our schools.

The Left wants us to be a fragmented collection of separate and warring tribes, because this lack of unity, common moral values, trust, vision, and purpose greatly weakens us.

Except that the there’s a problem: “Biden” and the Church of Woke are currently joined at the hip…while the so-called leaders of the West, generally, seems to be hiding behind the skirts of His Holiness, Pope Schwab….

To be sure, voters have—FINALLY—begun to notice (but as we all know, the voters MUST be protected from themselves…and who best can “protect” them but Western “Leaders”/Followers—and Global institutions—i.e., Scwhabists).

IOW just another HUMUNGOUS “Biden” coverup—“Biden”‘s billion upon billion dollar bonanza to the Mullahs, which would “trickle down” to Iran’s proxies and friends (AND the Palestinians)—which has to be concealed by “his” professed concern for the welfare of the Jewish State.
Either that, or the “President” has gone perilously off-script…
…in which case a meta-coverup…though at this point everything “Biden” has done entails humungous meta-coverups….