As for Pearl Harbor, those tank farms with all the fuel for the Pacific Fleet and the Airmy Air Force were just sitting there, big, fat, vulnerable. It may be that the guns on the Japanese planes could not penetrate the walls of the tanks and whatever bombs they had were used on ships and airplane hangars.

That was the situation with the Las Vegas sniper. Before he started shooting at the concert crowd, he was shooting at a nearby tank farm. I think he thought he might be able to shoot through the tank, cause enough damage the tank would fail and the fuel would wash down and into the concert area. Now that would be far worse than what he did with his rifles alone. But his “weapons of war” didn’t have the power to punch through the tanks.

Without detracting from the importance of the revelations about the nightly consultation of the heads of the security establishment, about the presentation of the commander of the division and the emails of the counter-intelligence on 8200, and also about the reckless decision not to send an alert to the forces in the field, but in all the revelations and discussions in the studios they make sure to ignore the giant elephant in the room: the decision The unfathomable decision of the top of the security establishment to isolate the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense from intelligence information that is important enough to wake up and put on the line the Chief of Staff, the head of the Shin Bet, the head of the Defense Forces, the head of the Operations Division and the RLS of the head of the IMN .

Exposure after exposure, panel after panel, they all conduct justified and proper discussions about the blindness, the conception and the intelligence and operational failures, and for some reason they all make sure to systematically ignore the fact that the night before the attack, there was no government in Israel.

Who is the Prime Minister anyway? And who is the defense minister anyway? The heads of the security establishment gathered for them and decided for themselves how to handle (do nothing) the intelligence information that, even in the estimation of the participants in the conversation, could indicate an expected day of battle and a strategic attack by Hamas.

And even after their promiscuous decisions, including the compartmentalization of the government, ended in an unprecedented disaster, even then no one in the studios has a problem with the fact that Israel’s security establishment decided that it does not count the government.

And another thing: if no one has a problem with the fact that the heads of the security establishment divided the government the night before the attack, how can we know that they do not continue to divide it even now during the fighting?

https://twitter.com/tadmorerez48/status/1731790831974044052

Chain-of-command? Who needs that?

WRT Pearl Harbor: It is said that Nimitz, in his first look at the destruction, was thinking we were pretty darn luck. It was Sunday so 90% of the sailors were ashore and not subject to the attack. The Japanese didn’t hit the dry docks. If they had, damaged ships would have had to be towed to San Diego–some sinking on the way–and if the fuel farms had been destroyed, we’d have had to fight the Pacific War from San Diego and Los Angeles with a fleet reduced even further.
If FDR were going to collaborate in the thing, how could he guarantee the Japanese would arrange to defeat themselves by doing what Nimitz figured was really good luck (if you have to be attacked in the first place)?

And I wouldn’t ever believe the Israeli government would let an attack happen in order to justify ending Hamas, for the same reason I don’t think FDR knew about Pearl Harbor. These things are too difficult to calibrate. Assuming FDR knew an attack was coming, how could he be sure of when it would happen? Get that wrong and the carriers are in port, and are sunk.

In this scenario, the IDF lets a limited attack happen. But how do you limit it? You just don’t have the ability to calibrate what Hamas does. Too much is at risk.

Why was the response so slow? Why were US planes vulnerable on the ramps in the Philippines hours after they knew of the Pearl Harbor attack? Because key people can’t be reached, and information is fragmentary, and it just takes time to pull everyone in, get geared up and move.

As to the difference between American and Israeli Jews–I don’t know that they are or not, which is why I asked. I know that in Minnesota the Democrat campaigns have long been financed by Minnesota Jews. And one result of that is that when Ilhan Omar was starting out, she got a lot of money from them.

Then, when she would spout her typical views, there was this “well we have to excuse her, she’s just playing to her audience.” And every two years the checkbooks come out, and the cycle repeats. They refuse to take her at her word.

One of the first themes that came out after 10/7 was that Israeli elites believed that Hamas had mellowed and that the rhetoric was now just playing to the crowd. And apparently Hamas played to that.

So, that’s why I asked. It looks like the same suicidal embrace of people who have sworn to kill you.

Well, yes and no.
Things being what they are today—with all its myriad forms of often media-driven and especially social-media-driven insanity and hysteria—the Left wings of both groups would appear, to a large extent, to have converged (certainly the more extreme Left of the both groups…BUT NOT ONLY).

But it must also be acknowledged that the “rank-and-file” Left and Left-of-Center in Israel—EVEN some members of the extreme Left—understand the need to actively defend the country when it is under attack (especially when it’s under existential attack).
This may well be true—generally—of those on the Left in the US, as well, but they have the luxury of “understanding” this from a distance…though it must be said that a not insignificant number has felt the need to come to Israel and assist in this time of dire need.

‘…statement of PURE DECEPTION…’
should be ‘…instrument of PURE DECEPTION…’

‘…OTP…’ should be ‘…OTT…’

Yes, one might well wonder…especially since the “Democratiya” campaign against Netanyahu was spurred on—not that it needed spurring on—from “Biden” and “his” supporters…
E.g., Gidi Taub’s
“Israel’s Elites Revolt Against Democracy”—
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-elite-revolt-against-democracy

…BUT I ALSO “wonder about what effect [the reliance of Israel on America—and more importantly on American intelligence] had on the willingness to believe the [Israeli] intelligence”…
…seeing that “Biden”‘s strong-arming of the current and previous Israel governments to allow tens of thousands of Gazans to work in Israel—“seeds of peace”, anyone?—TOGETHER WITH Jake Sullivan’s crowing, ONLY NINE DAYS BEFORE before Oct. 7 that “The Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades”—an obvious putdown and denigration of Trump’s Abraham Accords…and perhaps—PERHAPS—a statement of PURE DECEPTION (though such a conjecture may be OTP on my part)…
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/george-kennan-who-wasnt-jake-sullivan
…TOGETHER WITH American machinations vis-a-vis Iran, and most significantly vis-a-vis Lebanon…
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/america-leaves-israel-eyeless-in-gaza

IOW “a perfect storm” of deception and distraction…especially since Netanyahu was so eager to sign on the dotted line with Saudi Arabia (as though “Biden” would allow Netanyahu to achieve such a coup).

Keeping in mind the following (from 2015—the good ole Obama years…oh, wait…) by “Biden”‘s handmaiden on the Israeli political scene (or at least one of them) AND uber-foolish former Israeli PM:
“A New Strategic Vision for Israel;
“Israeli MK Yair Lapid blames Benjamin Netanyahu for the Jewish State’s failure to have any influence on the Iran deal and for the lack of progress in solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict”—
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/new-strategic-vision-for-israel

I don’t think you understand. The scenario I believe you are advocating – if I understand what you’re suggesting – is very much akin to the scenario of 9/11-truthers. No Israeli government entity would countenance the massacre of Israeli citizens in this way, not for any reason. And Israeli Jews and American Jews are very different.