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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710830</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see Russia taking massive casualties indefinitely.  Of course there won&#039;t be an open antiwar rebellion like in the US against Vietnam, but passive resistance - draft dodging, desertion.  And general lack of enthusiasm for the task.  Defending Mother Russia from Zelensky doesn&#039;t have quite the same urgency as defending it from Hitler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see Russia taking massive casualties indefinitely.  Of course there won&#8217;t be an open antiwar rebellion like in the US against Vietnam, but passive resistance &#8211; draft dodging, desertion.  And general lack of enthusiasm for the task.  Defending Mother Russia from Zelensky doesn&#8217;t have quite the same urgency as defending it from Hitler.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Newt had a similar problem to a lot of people in his position. He was a rebel who ended up being part of the Establishment. It didn’t help that maverick conservatism turned into Conservatism, Inc. Still, he was better than Paul Ryan.&lt;/i&gt;

Abraxas:

I once thought Paul Ryan was cool. Sigh.

Gingrich was before my time as a conservative. I could surf it, I suppose, but I don&#039;t know where the bodies are buried.

I was impressed that Gingrich was allied, for a while anyway, with Alvin Toffler, the &quot;Future Shock&quot; guy, who made a big impression on me in  the 70s. 

Of course, we&#039;re all so future-shocked now, that&#039;s old news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Newt had a similar problem to a lot of people in his position. He was a rebel who ended up being part of the Establishment. It didn’t help that maverick conservatism turned into Conservatism, Inc. Still, he was better than Paul Ryan.</i></p>
<p>Abraxas:</p>
<p>I once thought Paul Ryan was cool. Sigh.</p>
<p>Gingrich was before my time as a conservative. I could surf it, I suppose, but I don&#8217;t know where the bodies are buried.</p>
<p>I was impressed that Gingrich was allied, for a while anyway, with Alvin Toffler, the &#8220;Future Shock&#8221; guy, who made a big impression on me in  the 70s. </p>
<p>Of course, we&#8217;re all so future-shocked now, that&#8217;s old news.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710767</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFO Crash Retrieval Program

If, as David Grusch alleges, there is a deeply buried UFO crash retrieval program, one long in existence, how would such a program work? 

There is new reporting out from the UK&#039;s Daily Mail and other sources about just such a program.*

According to this reporting, the CIA&#039;s obscure “Office of Global Access” is able to pinpoint crashed or landed UFOs, even those which are “cloaked,”  and then it uses either JSOC, the Joint Special Operations Command, to dispatch military special forces retrieval teams—SEALs, Delta, Special Forces, etc.--to locations all over the world to recover these vehicles, or the task is given to private aerospace companies, who have their own private paramilitary forces (we reportedly have agreements with many countries to allow our forces to intrude into these countries to retrieve these UFO materials), and what is retrieved is usually handed off to such private companies, which, as private companies, are immune to FOIA requests. 

If there have been and are such activities by the CIA and by aerospace companies you can see why they would have–as has been reported—a great interest in killing the pending Schumer Amendment to the 2024 NDAA, which asks for all government actions regarding UFOs to be reported, and which also contains language requiring that all such UFO material held by private companies be confiscated using eminent domain. 

*  See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elleMzHACg8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFO Crash Retrieval Program</p>
<p>If, as David Grusch alleges, there is a deeply buried UFO crash retrieval program, one long in existence, how would such a program work? </p>
<p>There is new reporting out from the UK&#8217;s Daily Mail and other sources about just such a program.*</p>
<p>According to this reporting, the CIA&#8217;s obscure “Office of Global Access” is able to pinpoint crashed or landed UFOs, even those which are “cloaked,”  and then it uses either JSOC, the Joint Special Operations Command, to dispatch military special forces retrieval teams—SEALs, Delta, Special Forces, etc.&#8211;to locations all over the world to recover these vehicles, or the task is given to private aerospace companies, who have their own private paramilitary forces (we reportedly have agreements with many countries to allow our forces to intrude into these countries to retrieve these UFO materials), and what is retrieved is usually handed off to such private companies, which, as private companies, are immune to FOIA requests. </p>
<p>If there have been and are such activities by the CIA and by aerospace companies you can see why they would have–as has been reported—a great interest in killing the pending Schumer Amendment to the 2024 NDAA, which asks for all government actions regarding UFOs to be reported, and which also contains language requiring that all such UFO material held by private companies be confiscated using eminent domain. </p>
<p>*  See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elleMzHACg8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elleMzHACg8</a></p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When one is at war, one can believe that if victory has already cost 300,000 lives, it&#039;s worth another 300,000.  Once an armistice has been signed, going to war again and losing another 300,000 lives with no guarantee of victory may not look worthwhile.  If Russia keeps much of what they have already taken they may not want another war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one is at war, one can believe that if victory has already cost 300,000 lives, it&#8217;s worth another 300,000.  Once an armistice has been signed, going to war again and losing another 300,000 lives with no guarantee of victory may not look worthwhile.  If Russia keeps much of what they have already taken they may not want another war.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Newt had a similar problem to a lot of people in his position.  He was a rebel who ended up being part of the Establishment.  It didn&#039;t help that maverick conservatism turned into Conservatism, Inc.  Still, he was better than Paul Ryan.

One problem with Newt&#039;s optimism is that even if Trump wins, it&#039;s going to be hard for him to find appointees who are at once loyal and competent.  The Establishment or the Deep State or the political-corporate elite has thousands of possible replacements for its upper ranks.  The other problem is that Democrats&#039; are once again going to pull out all the stops -- legal and illegal, legitimate and fraudulent -- to keep Trump from winning.  There&#039;s concern among Democrats about what to do about Joe.  It comes and goes, depending on how bad a week Biden has and on what the media is saying about him.  But I don&#039;t see a deeper existential panic yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt had a similar problem to a lot of people in his position.  He was a rebel who ended up being part of the Establishment.  It didn&#8217;t help that maverick conservatism turned into Conservatism, Inc.  Still, he was better than Paul Ryan.</p>
<p>One problem with Newt&#8217;s optimism is that even if Trump wins, it&#8217;s going to be hard for him to find appointees who are at once loyal and competent.  The Establishment or the Deep State or the political-corporate elite has thousands of possible replacements for its upper ranks.  The other problem is that Democrats&#8217; are once again going to pull out all the stops &#8212; legal and illegal, legitimate and fraudulent &#8212; to keep Trump from winning.  There&#8217;s concern among Democrats about what to do about Joe.  It comes and goes, depending on how bad a week Biden has and on what the media is saying about him.  But I don&#8217;t see a deeper existential panic yet.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/did-deutsche-bank-just-destroy-new-york-ags-case-against-trump]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/did-deutsche-bank-just-destroy-new-york-ags-case-against-trump" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/did-deutsche-bank-just-destroy-new-york-ags-case-against-trump</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Ayers wright khalidi davis where is the fabian among them?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t recall mentioning any of those. 

I said Obama was a Fabian. For instance, he explained  to his faithful that full socialized medicine wasn&#039;t possible -- yet -- so he recommended the next step in that direction.

Voila -- ObamaCare!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Ayers wright khalidi davis where is the fabian among them?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall mentioning any of those. </p>
<p>I said Obama was a Fabian. For instance, he explained  to his faithful that full socialized medicine wasn&#8217;t possible &#8212; yet &#8212; so he recommended the next step in that direction.</p>
<p>Voila &#8212; ObamaCare!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But I am increasingly resigned to the idea things may get really worse.&lt;/i&gt;

Jon baker:

Me too. There is a reckoning coming and it won&#039;t be pretty. 

But I don&#039;t believe we are doomed to being crushed. We are fighting; we will continue. The real battle is still ahead. Meanwhile:
_______________________________

&lt;i&gt;Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

--Psalm 91:7
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+91&#038;version=KJV&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I am increasingly resigned to the idea things may get really worse.</i></p>
<p>Jon baker:</p>
<p>Me too. There is a reckoning coming and it won&#8217;t be pretty. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t believe we are doomed to being crushed. We are fighting; we will continue. The real battle is still ahead. Meanwhile:<br />
_______________________________</p>
<p><i>Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;</p>
<p>&#8211;Psalm 91:7<br />
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+91&#038;version=KJV" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+91&#038;version=KJV</a></i></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/28/open-thread-11-28-23/#comment-2710752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ayers wright khalidi davis where is the fabian among them?]]></description>
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