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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

The length is somewhat misleading. Most of the gist of it is in the first 500 pages, which are so riveting I couldn&#039;t put it down (I had it in book form from the library, and believe me, it was heavy).  Now it&#039;s online; you can find it &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/stream/ReclaimingHistory_201508/Reclaiming%20History_djvu.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. There is also an audio version.  The rest of the book is a takedown of every single conspiracy theory and partial theory, one by one.  That part is more of a reference guide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>The length is somewhat misleading. Most of the gist of it is in the first 500 pages, which are so riveting I couldn&#8217;t put it down (I had it in book form from the library, and believe me, it was heavy).  Now it&#8217;s online; you can find it <a href="https://archive.org/stream/ReclaimingHistory_201508/Reclaiming%20History_djvu.txt" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>. There is also an audio version.  The rest of the book is a takedown of every single conspiracy theory and partial theory, one by one.  That part is more of a reference guide.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, it&#039;s 1,600 pages! Almost as long as Turtler&#039;s comments.

Isn&#039;t there a Cliff&#039;s notes version?

I&#039;ll see if my library has a copy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, it&#8217;s 1,600 pages! Almost as long as Turtler&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a Cliff&#8217;s notes version?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see if my library has a copy.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In 1967, Mark Lane, author of &lt;b&gt;Rush to Judgement&lt;/b&gt; and Wesley Liebeler, a Warren Commission lawyer, debated the Warren Commission report in 1967 at UCLA. Audio only.
Lane worked for JFK&#039;s campaign. By 1967 people were becoming increasingly skeptical of the Warren Commission report.

&lt;b&gt;Mark Lane &#038; Wesley Liebeler debating at UCLA 1/25/1967&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDAGY71jPc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1967, Mark Lane, author of <b>Rush to Judgement</b> and Wesley Liebeler, a Warren Commission lawyer, debated the Warren Commission report in 1967 at UCLA. Audio only.<br />
Lane worked for JFK&#8217;s campaign. By 1967 people were becoming increasingly skeptical of the Warren Commission report.</p>
<p><b>Mark Lane &amp; Wesley Liebeler debating at UCLA 1/25/1967</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDAGY71jPc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDAGY71jPc</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

Read the book.

Evidence beyond a doubt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>Read the book.</p>
<p>Evidence beyond a doubt.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting conference in 2017 about the dissent of Senator Richard Russell to the Warren Commission and how it was suppressed in the report. Two other members of the WC also had reservations about the report. Russell felt the commission was not given all the information available by the FBI and CIA. 
One of the senator&#039;s former aides, when questioned by an audience member about Russell&#039;s knowing about the two assassination attempts on Castro by the CIA might have influenced his dissent about the WC report. 

Also included was a couple of telephone calls between LBJ and Russell. Russell did not want to be on the commission-- mostly because he hated Warren. LBJ told him he was going to be on the commission.

It&#039;s not dwelt with in any detail, but Russell probably thought there was involvement by Cuba and possibly that Oswald didn&#039;t act alone.

Russell&#039;s position was the report was fine as far as it went and the commission wasn&#039;t given all the facts. Russell also disagreed on the single bullet theory.

&lt;b&gt;A Rush to Judgment?: The Warren Commission and the Dissent of Richard Russell&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVvadm3oojY

also a telephone call between LBJ and Hoover about the formation of a commission.

&quot;...this presidential commission which we think will be very bad and put it right in the white house; we can&#039;t be checking up on every shoe-scrape in the country, but they&#039;ve (Justice lawyer) gone to the Post now and the post is calling up and saying they&#039;re gonna run an editorial if we don&#039;t do things...&quot; - President Lyndon Baines Johnson

LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover, 11/25/1963. 10:30A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXWb33GSCiE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conference in 2017 about the dissent of Senator Richard Russell to the Warren Commission and how it was suppressed in the report. Two other members of the WC also had reservations about the report. Russell felt the commission was not given all the information available by the FBI and CIA.<br />
One of the senator&#8217;s former aides, when questioned by an audience member about Russell&#8217;s knowing about the two assassination attempts on Castro by the CIA might have influenced his dissent about the WC report. </p>
<p>Also included was a couple of telephone calls between LBJ and Russell. Russell did not want to be on the commission&#8211; mostly because he hated Warren. LBJ told him he was going to be on the commission.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not dwelt with in any detail, but Russell probably thought there was involvement by Cuba and possibly that Oswald didn&#8217;t act alone.</p>
<p>Russell&#8217;s position was the report was fine as far as it went and the commission wasn&#8217;t given all the facts. Russell also disagreed on the single bullet theory.</p>
<p><b>A Rush to Judgment?: The Warren Commission and the Dissent of Richard Russell</b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVvadm3oojY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVvadm3oojY</a></p>
<p>also a telephone call between LBJ and Hoover about the formation of a commission.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;this presidential commission which we think will be very bad and put it right in the white house; we can&#8217;t be checking up on every shoe-scrape in the country, but they&#8217;ve (Justice lawyer) gone to the Post now and the post is calling up and saying they&#8217;re gonna run an editorial if we don&#8217;t do things&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; President Lyndon Baines Johnson</p>
<p>LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover, 11/25/1963. 10:30A.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXWb33GSCiE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXWb33GSCiE</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Like OJ and voter fraud, convicting Oswald beyond a reasonable doubt from the evidence would be tough. &lt;/i&gt;
==
In your imagination only.  Of course, you might just get a jury who fancied Oswald was just the unluckiest man alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Like OJ and voter fraud, convicting Oswald beyond a reasonable doubt from the evidence would be tough. </i><br />
==<br />
In your imagination only.  Of course, you might just get a jury who fancied Oswald was just the unluckiest man alive.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 05:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turtler&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s sort of an open secret, in that it’s not very well discussed in spite of its obvious importance – especially outside the Spanish language press – but it is pretty hard to deny. While they were born in different cities they were both members of the relatively closeted “French” communities in Chile and had distant familial business ties, though they seem to have only met substantially in the late 1930s and early 1940s after Allende’s military career and entry into politics while Pinochet was just getting started, but a turning point seems to have been 1948 when Pinochet was sent to Lola at the time when Allende was busy building up a political network through the South, and while never elected to be Senator for Lola’s home region it was closely tied to his power base (with Lola shipping coal to Valdivia and Chiloe where it would be refined or shipped further, and with many of the recruiting bases for the mines there).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you can document Pinochet and Allende knowing each other from  &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lota,_Chile&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Lota&lt;/a&gt; (not Lola) please do so. Pinochet did spend some time circa 1947 in Lota with the coal miners, so it is possible that Allende met Pinochet. Marc Cooper, author of &lt;i&gt;Pinochet and Me, a Chilean anti-Memoir&lt;/i&gt; worked as a translator for Allende. He relates meeting a nephew of Pinochet, when Pinochet was a mere general. In a small country like Chile, it is quite possible that Allende and Pinochet met up in the Lota -Concepcion area decades before.

From Pinochet&#039;s Dia Decisivo: He is discussing his reaction to Allende&#039;s election on September 4, 1970.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Y en cuanto a lo que a mí respecta, creo que ha 
llegado el fin de mi carrera, pues el Sr. Allende tuvo hace unos años una 
dificultad conmigo en Plsagua y debe conocer mi actuación con los 
comunistas en Iqulque. Creo que el problema de Chile se agravará día a día, 
para llegar, finalmente, a manos del Ejército, cuando todo esté destruido.
—Pero no había llegado el fin de su carrera. Parece que Allende no se 
desquitó... 

—En efecto, mi destino no se encauzó como yo lo pensé ese día. Al parecer 
Allende me confundió, como sucedió otras veces, con el General Manuel 
Pinochet, y yo, recordando las tácticas que ellos emplean, me mantuve en 
silencio y actué con cautela. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
My translation:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And with respect to me, I believe that I&#039;ve arrived at the end of my career, since Mr. Allende had some difficulty some years back with me at Pisagua and should know my acts towards the Communists in Iqulque. I believe that the problem of Chile would get worse day by day and finally fall, destroyed, into the hands of the Army.
—But you didn&#039;t arrive at the end of your career. It appears that Allende didn&#039;t  get even.
In effect, my destiny didn&#039;t take the path I thought it would that day. It appears that Allende confused me, as had occurred other times, with General Manuel Pinochet, and I, remembering the tactics they employed, kept silent and acted with caution&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If Allende confused Augusto Pinochet with another General Pinochet, it doesn&#039;t appear they knew each other that well. (Pisagua: Captain Pinochet was the head of the internment camp at Pisagua set up for Communists in 1948. Ley Maldita and all that.)

That&#039;s the best information I can come up with regarding how well Pinochet and Allende knew each other before 1970. However, it is possible that Pinochet is not telling the truth. 

https://archive.org/details/pinochet-augusto-el-dia-decisivo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turtler</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s sort of an open secret, in that it’s not very well discussed in spite of its obvious importance – especially outside the Spanish language press – but it is pretty hard to deny. While they were born in different cities they were both members of the relatively closeted “French” communities in Chile and had distant familial business ties, though they seem to have only met substantially in the late 1930s and early 1940s after Allende’s military career and entry into politics while Pinochet was just getting started, but a turning point seems to have been 1948 when Pinochet was sent to Lola at the time when Allende was busy building up a political network through the South, and while never elected to be Senator for Lola’s home region it was closely tied to his power base (with Lola shipping coal to Valdivia and Chiloe where it would be refined or shipped further, and with many of the recruiting bases for the mines there).</p></blockquote>
<p>If you can document Pinochet and Allende knowing each other from  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lota,_Chile" rel="nofollow ugc">Lota</a> (not Lola) please do so. Pinochet did spend some time circa 1947 in Lota with the coal miners, so it is possible that Allende met Pinochet. Marc Cooper, author of <i>Pinochet and Me, a Chilean anti-Memoir</i> worked as a translator for Allende. He relates meeting a nephew of Pinochet, when Pinochet was a mere general. In a small country like Chile, it is quite possible that Allende and Pinochet met up in the Lota -Concepcion area decades before.</p>
<p>From Pinochet&#8217;s Dia Decisivo: He is discussing his reaction to Allende&#8217;s election on September 4, 1970.</p>
<blockquote><p>Y en cuanto a lo que a mí respecta, creo que ha<br />
llegado el fin de mi carrera, pues el Sr. Allende tuvo hace unos años una<br />
dificultad conmigo en Plsagua y debe conocer mi actuación con los<br />
comunistas en Iqulque. Creo que el problema de Chile se agravará día a día,<br />
para llegar, finalmente, a manos del Ejército, cuando todo esté destruido.<br />
—Pero no había llegado el fin de su carrera. Parece que Allende no se<br />
desquitó&#8230; </p>
<p>—En efecto, mi destino no se encauzó como yo lo pensé ese día. Al parecer<br />
Allende me confundió, como sucedió otras veces, con el General Manuel<br />
Pinochet, y yo, recordando las tácticas que ellos emplean, me mantuve en<br />
silencio y actué con cautela. </p></blockquote>
<p>My translation:</p>
<blockquote><p>And with respect to me, I believe that I&#8217;ve arrived at the end of my career, since Mr. Allende had some difficulty some years back with me at Pisagua and should know my acts towards the Communists in Iqulque. I believe that the problem of Chile would get worse day by day and finally fall, destroyed, into the hands of the Army.<br />
—But you didn&#8217;t arrive at the end of your career. It appears that Allende didn&#8217;t  get even.<br />
In effect, my destiny didn&#8217;t take the path I thought it would that day. It appears that Allende confused me, as had occurred other times, with General Manuel Pinochet, and I, remembering the tactics they employed, kept silent and acted with caution</p></blockquote>
<p>If Allende confused Augusto Pinochet with another General Pinochet, it doesn&#8217;t appear they knew each other that well. (Pisagua: Captain Pinochet was the head of the internment camp at Pisagua set up for Communists in 1948. Ley Maldita and all that.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the best information I can come up with regarding how well Pinochet and Allende knew each other before 1970. However, it is possible that Pinochet is not telling the truth. </p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/pinochet-augusto-el-dia-decisivo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://archive.org/details/pinochet-augusto-el-dia-decisivo</a></p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Gringo

&lt;blockquote&gt; You are mixing and mashing different years. Schneider was killed in 1970. His replacement was Carlos Prats, who resigned three years later, on August 23,1973. Allende appointed Pinochet as Prats’s replacement, not as Schneider’s replacement.  &#060;/blockquote?

Derp, you are right. My bad. I was partially conflating Pinochet&#039;s personal history and Prat&#039;s reputation as well as the resolution. Prats came in largely as the perceived rightful successor of Schneider and someone not tied to the suspected (and in two cases later proven) perp cliques, and was viewed as an acceptable moderate by both the Chilean military and Allende&#039;s Camp before proving his many foibles, such as being deemed too supportive of Allende and his infamous temper (I can KIND of understand his reaction in the Cox case given he had reason to fear an ambush, but apparently he was kind of an asshole in the rather profane and machismo charged atmosphere of Chilean motoring anyway). The Tank Putsch was a stay of execution and in other conditions might have been enough to turn things around, but he lost the faith of his subordinates (who preferred protesting through their wives) and much of the public.

&lt;blockquote&gt; You are correct that most believed that Pinochet was a nonentity who would continue the “constitutionalist” path of Prats. I have not seen any indication that Pinochet was ever a friend of Allende.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s sort of an open secret, in that it&#039;s not very well discussed in spite of its obvious importance - especially outside the Spanish language press - but it is pretty hard to deny. While they were born in different cities they were both members of the relatively closeted &quot;French&quot; communities in Chile and had distant familial business ties, though they seem to have only met substantially in the late 1930s and early 1940s after Allende&#039;s military career and entry into politics while Pinochet was just getting started, but a turning point seems to have been 1948 when Pinochet was sent to Lola at the time when Allende was busy building up a political network through the South, and while never elected to be Senator for Lola&#039;s home region it was closely tied to his power base (with Lola shipping coal to Valdivia and Chiloe where it would be refined or shipped further, and with many of the recruiting bases for the mines there).

I am only a monolingual English speaker and so my access to it is limited, and objectively speaking Pinochet was never in Allende&#039;s closest of friends like his GAP, so it&#039;s a bit baffling to me why Allende vested so much with him. But Allende does seem to have looked upon him as something of an apprentice within the military or a younger brother, while Pinochet himself used informal tenses to refer to Allende as a friend in personal letters. Which is one reason why picking Pinochet to succeed Prats was so controversial in spite of him being Prats&#039;s expected &quot;heir&quot;, because it was viewed as undue nepotism to a dangerous degree, and it&#039;s now clear that Pinochet was a much later convert to the coup against him than most people thought (ironically in many ways like Franco).

It&#039;s why I often call them the two sides of the same coin in terms of the collapse of Chilean democracy, and it was certainly a poisoning and strange friendship that was ultimately lethal to Allende and many others.

I cannot recommend Operation Solo enough. Childs&#039;s track record was truly remarkable, and Baron does a good job weaving it all together. That also makes me fairly confident the Soviets were not involved in the assassination of JFK, or at least their political leadership did not. 

That said, I&#039;m not at all very convinced regarding Red Star Rogue. Suslov was a schemer and almost the soul of the Soviet experiment but he was usually cautious by nature, and the sinking makes me believe it was likely an accident.

If Oswald had a puppetmaster, I think the Castros are more likely given how more radical and reckless they were than their Moscow mentors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gringo</p>
<blockquote><p> You are mixing and mashing different years. Schneider was killed in 1970. His replacement was Carlos Prats, who resigned three years later, on August 23,1973. Allende appointed Pinochet as Prats’s replacement, not as Schneider’s replacement.  &lt;/blockquote?</p>
<p>Derp, you are right. My bad. I was partially conflating Pinochet&#039;s personal history and Prat&#039;s reputation as well as the resolution. Prats came in largely as the perceived rightful successor of Schneider and someone not tied to the suspected (and in two cases later proven) perp cliques, and was viewed as an acceptable moderate by both the Chilean military and Allende&#039;s Camp before proving his many foibles, such as being deemed too supportive of Allende and his infamous temper (I can KIND of understand his reaction in the Cox case given he had reason to fear an ambush, but apparently he was kind of an asshole in the rather profane and machismo charged atmosphere of Chilean motoring anyway). The Tank Putsch was a stay of execution and in other conditions might have been enough to turn things around, but he lost the faith of his subordinates (who preferred protesting through their wives) and much of the public.</p>
<blockquote><p> You are correct that most believed that Pinochet was a nonentity who would continue the “constitutionalist” path of Prats. I have not seen any indication that Pinochet was ever a friend of Allende.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of an open secret, in that it&#8217;s not very well discussed in spite of its obvious importance &#8211; especially outside the Spanish language press &#8211; but it is pretty hard to deny. While they were born in different cities they were both members of the relatively closeted &#8220;French&#8221; communities in Chile and had distant familial business ties, though they seem to have only met substantially in the late 1930s and early 1940s after Allende&#8217;s military career and entry into politics while Pinochet was just getting started, but a turning point seems to have been 1948 when Pinochet was sent to Lola at the time when Allende was busy building up a political network through the South, and while never elected to be Senator for Lola&#8217;s home region it was closely tied to his power base (with Lola shipping coal to Valdivia and Chiloe where it would be refined or shipped further, and with many of the recruiting bases for the mines there).</p>
<p>I am only a monolingual English speaker and so my access to it is limited, and objectively speaking Pinochet was never in Allende&#8217;s closest of friends like his GAP, so it&#8217;s a bit baffling to me why Allende vested so much with him. But Allende does seem to have looked upon him as something of an apprentice within the military or a younger brother, while Pinochet himself used informal tenses to refer to Allende as a friend in personal letters. Which is one reason why picking Pinochet to succeed Prats was so controversial in spite of him being Prats&#8217;s expected &#8220;heir&#8221;, because it was viewed as undue nepotism to a dangerous degree, and it&#8217;s now clear that Pinochet was a much later convert to the coup against him than most people thought (ironically in many ways like Franco).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I often call them the two sides of the same coin in terms of the collapse of Chilean democracy, and it was certainly a poisoning and strange friendship that was ultimately lethal to Allende and many others.</p>
<p>I cannot recommend Operation Solo enough. Childs&#8217;s track record was truly remarkable, and Baron does a good job weaving it all together. That also makes me fairly confident the Soviets were not involved in the assassination of JFK, or at least their political leadership did not. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not at all very convinced regarding Red Star Rogue. Suslov was a schemer and almost the soul of the Soviet experiment but he was usually cautious by nature, and the sinking makes me believe it was likely an accident.</p>
<p>If Oswald had a puppetmaster, I think the Castros are more likely given how more radical and reckless they were than their Moscow mentors.</p></blockquote>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Baron&#039;s book Operation Solo: The FBI&#039;s Man in the Kremlin tells the story of Morris Childs, ex-CPUSA operative who spent 27 years as an FBI agent who acted as  a bagman carrying funds from Moscow to the CPUSA. Among the useful intelligence finds of Childs is a report on the reaction of the higher-ups to the JFK assassination.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Ponomarev (head at the time of the International Department) was talking to Morris in his office about Johnson when subordinates burst in, their faces ashen. Unaware that Morris understood Russian, they ignored him and at once informed Ponomarev that Dallas police had arrested Lee Harvey Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy. Other ostensible facts they rapidly reported explained their alarm, which bordered on panic.
The KGB swore to the Politburo and International Department that before, during, and after the time Oswald lived in the Soviet Union it never utilized him as an agent or informant. The Politburo had confiscated his KGB file, and the copy that aides gave Ponomarev apparently contained nothing to contradict this claim.
Throughout the excited exchanges, Morris sat mute and phlegmatic, trying to transcribe into memory every word he heard. One of the Soviets finally took note of him and asked, “What are we going to tell this American here?” Ponomarev certified that Morris was completely trustworthy and declared he should be told the truth. Through an interpreter, Morris thereupon heard basically the same account given Ponomarev. Almost pleading, the Soviets beseeched him to believe they had nothing to do with the assassination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Russians didn&#039;t know that Childs spoke Russian, which enabled him to hear both what the Russians told him and what they wanted him to hear. He had picked Russian up from his immigrant parents and also from &quot;secret agent&quot; school in Moscow circa 1930, where he had made friends with Mikhail Suslov, for decades the &quot;grey eminence&quot; behind the scenes in Moscow.

Though those who have read Red Star Rogue, with Suslov&#039;s alleged acts in the book, would be skeptical about Politburo awareness of all that the KGB did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Baron&#8217;s book Operation Solo: The FBI&#8217;s Man in the Kremlin tells the story of Morris Childs, ex-CPUSA operative who spent 27 years as an FBI agent who acted as  a bagman carrying funds from Moscow to the CPUSA. Among the useful intelligence finds of Childs is a report on the reaction of the higher-ups to the JFK assassination.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ponomarev (head at the time of the International Department) was talking to Morris in his office about Johnson when subordinates burst in, their faces ashen. Unaware that Morris understood Russian, they ignored him and at once informed Ponomarev that Dallas police had arrested Lee Harvey Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy. Other ostensible facts they rapidly reported explained their alarm, which bordered on panic.<br />
The KGB swore to the Politburo and International Department that before, during, and after the time Oswald lived in the Soviet Union it never utilized him as an agent or informant. The Politburo had confiscated his KGB file, and the copy that aides gave Ponomarev apparently contained nothing to contradict this claim.<br />
Throughout the excited exchanges, Morris sat mute and phlegmatic, trying to transcribe into memory every word he heard. One of the Soviets finally took note of him and asked, “What are we going to tell this American here?” Ponomarev certified that Morris was completely trustworthy and declared he should be told the truth. Through an interpreter, Morris thereupon heard basically the same account given Ponomarev. Almost pleading, the Soviets beseeched him to believe they had nothing to do with the assassination.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Russians didn&#8217;t know that Childs spoke Russian, which enabled him to hear both what the Russians told him and what they wanted him to hear. He had picked Russian up from his immigrant parents and also from &#8220;secret agent&#8221; school in Moscow circa 1930, where he had made friends with Mikhail Suslov, for decades the &#8220;grey eminence&#8221; behind the scenes in Moscow.</p>
<p>Though those who have read Red Star Rogue, with Suslov&#8217;s alleged acts in the book, would be skeptical about Politburo awareness of all that the KGB did.</p>
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