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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/15/open-thread-11-15-23/#comment-2708931</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2023 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry, I&#039;d bet a year&#039;s pay that some at the WEF are well ahead of me in this regard.
I forgot to mention one other element in my train of thought: that being, globally-competent environmental policing really becomes possible for the first time only with the advent of powerful AI for data aggregation across the whole planet. Big Data, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, I&#8217;d bet a year&#8217;s pay that some at the WEF are well ahead of me in this regard.<br />
I forgot to mention one other element in my train of thought: that being, globally-competent environmental policing really becomes possible for the first time only with the advent of powerful AI for data aggregation across the whole planet. Big Data, etc.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/11/15/open-thread-11-15-23/#comment-2708838</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 13:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a young talent, Gavril.  Neither of my grandkids is close.
Interesting and unusual first name (?) - perhaps we&#039;ll know him in 10 years just as &quot;Gavril&quot;.
Life is wonderful -- and often terrible, to young prodigies.  Hope his parents nurture him well, providing for his individual needs ...

Thanks Aesop for interesting list; most prodigies start on piano.
I love that one can sit and play thirds and it sounds different than most other music, but also sounds good.  I gave up practicing tho, in favor of computer games and more blog reading.

@Philip Sells, while it&#039;s all been said and thought before, perhaps not by YOU. Nor in exactly your way - well done.  Laws require enforcement; making laws to create some social effect other than punishing bad actions inevitably reduces the freedom of any who disagree.

Final 3 words:
Jewish Derangement Syndrome]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a young talent, Gavril.  Neither of my grandkids is close.<br />
Interesting and unusual first name (?) &#8211; perhaps we&#8217;ll know him in 10 years just as &#8220;Gavril&#8221;.<br />
Life is wonderful &#8212; and often terrible, to young prodigies.  Hope his parents nurture him well, providing for his individual needs &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks Aesop for interesting list; most prodigies start on piano.<br />
I love that one can sit and play thirds and it sounds different than most other music, but also sounds good.  I gave up practicing tho, in favor of computer games and more blog reading.</p>
<p>@Philip Sells, while it&#8217;s all been said and thought before, perhaps not by YOU. Nor in exactly your way &#8211; well done.  Laws require enforcement; making laws to create some social effect other than punishing bad actions inevitably reduces the freedom of any who disagree.</p>
<p>Final 3 words:<br />
Jewish Derangement Syndrome</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 08:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a longer video of the Piano Prodigy.
He clearly is playing with purpose, not just pounding the keys like all toddlers I have ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H48TV-Wb9NQ
The Evolution of Gavriil Scherbenko: Part 2


Wikipdeia quotes Mozart&#039;s older sister about his evolution.
I suspect he would have been playing sooner if anyone had bothered to do what Gavriil&#039;s family did -- and maybe they did.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
When Nannerl was seven, she began keyboard lessons with her father, &lt;b&gt;while her three-year-old brother looked on.&lt;/b&gt; Years later, after her brother&#039;s death, she reminisced:&lt;blockquote&gt;
He often spent much time at the clavier, picking out thirds, which he was ever striking, and his pleasure showed that it sounded good. ... In the fourth year of his age his father, for a game as it were, began to teach him a few minuets and pieces at the clavier. ... He could play it faultlessly and with the greatest delicacy, and keeping exactly in time. ... At the age of five, he was already composing little pieces, which he played to his father who wrote them down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There appear to be quite a few music prodigies of note (although still under a hundred over a couple of centuries in the West). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_music_prodigies]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a longer video of the Piano Prodigy.<br />
He clearly is playing with purpose, not just pounding the keys like all toddlers I have ever seen.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H48TV-Wb9NQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H48TV-Wb9NQ</a><br />
The Evolution of Gavriil Scherbenko: Part 2</p>
<p>Wikipdeia quotes Mozart&#8217;s older sister about his evolution.<br />
I suspect he would have been playing sooner if anyone had bothered to do what Gavriil&#8217;s family did &#8212; and maybe they did.</p>
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When Nannerl was seven, she began keyboard lessons with her father, <b>while her three-year-old brother looked on.</b> Years later, after her brother&#8217;s death, she reminisced:</p>
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He often spent much time at the clavier, picking out thirds, which he was ever striking, and his pleasure showed that it sounded good. &#8230; In the fourth year of his age his father, for a game as it were, began to teach him a few minuets and pieces at the clavier. &#8230; He could play it faultlessly and with the greatest delicacy, and keeping exactly in time. &#8230; At the age of five, he was already composing little pieces, which he played to his father who wrote them down.</p></blockquote>
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<p>There appear to be quite a few music prodigies of note (although still under a hundred over a couple of centuries in the West).<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_music_prodigies" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_music_prodigies</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 07:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds about right.
Have you been channeling Mistuh Schwab, by any chance? (Or his Apostles in Canada and the rest of the West?)
The goal is TOTAL control (and TOTAL adherence) and &quot;Veh hef vays to make you comply&quot;...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds about right.<br />
Have you been channeling Mistuh Schwab, by any chance? (Or his Apostles in Canada and the rest of the West?)<br />
The goal is TOTAL control (and TOTAL adherence) and &#8220;Veh hef vays to make you comply&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 04:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi there. I figured I&#039;d offload an unoriginal thought that I explored a little bit during the drive home from work today. And I might even have hit upon this thought already a few years ago, but whether or no, this time, it was occasioned by my having read a short article from my news feed at work by a passionate wind/solar advocate. 

I forget the article&#039;s details and even the publication source, but those don&#039;t really matter, other than that the source material tossed out a couple of stats to the effect that a family that goes without meat and cheese for one day a week is doing the climate-equivalent of taking a standard car off the road for five weeks, this kind of thing. Again, whether real or fake math is irrelevant.

What struck me is that, if the wind/solar crowd is really serious about moving the world off of what the article called &quot;dirty&quot; energy and &#039;saving the climate,&#039; then what this would ultimately require is a total policing of all economic activity (&#039;economic&#039; in a very broad sense). This follows from the fact that CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and so on are bulk aggregate phenomena, not something localized. I can&#039;t conceive of a meaningful large-scale scenario in which there could be 450 ppm CO2 in the air of, say, sub-Saharan Africa and simultaneously 375 ppm CO2 in the air in Central Asia, for example. 

In other words, if one is determined to regard atmospheric carbon content as a pollutant, then it cannot be so regarded in the same way that a chemical spill from a factory or a tanker truck would be, because it behaves and is measured differently. The typical chemical spill or sewage dump can be remediated locally and, on a political level, can also be dealt with locally (at least in principle).

It&#039;s similar to what I concluded some time ago about the concept of socialized health-care finance: once all of the taxpayers (or at least the big-shot &#039;stakeholders&#039;) are essentially compelled into ponying up for public health care costs, every individual&#039;s health and lifestyle choices must inevitably become everyone else&#039;s business. This follows, again, from the aggregation or ubiquitization, let&#039;s say, of the property of interest - in the one case, health care costs and the associated money; in the case more at hand, carbon content in whatever form distributed throughout the planetary atmosphere. 

(What would that quantity be in liters at STP, anyway? suddenly wondering abstractly - complicated, of course, by the fact that one needn&#039;t rise all that far above the Earth&#039;s surface to depart substantially from STP conditions. Anyway....)

Again, no original thoughts here, but it follows from the above that whole new categories of crimes would have to be invented to grapple with prevention of climate change, assuming that one is serious about attributing it to carbon emissions. 
People would have to be punished for driving their cars too much (owners of EVs might be given a greater allowance, but the allowance surely cannot be infinite, so just because one abstains from internal combustion engine usage will be no salvation).
They would have to be punished for owning too many livestock (the existential threat posed by cow flatus!).
They would have to be punished for having too many backyard cookouts or campfires.
And so on. &#039;Punishment&#039; can of course encompass a vast range of, shall we say, negative stimuli, and depending on how seriously a government were to take all of this, said stimuli might or might not be proportionate.

Of course, if there are then crimes to be punished, what else is needed? Environmental police. And a coercive authority to direct that police. And since, once again, atmospheric carbon is a global aggregate quantity, this authority&#039;s jurisdiction would necessarily be global as well, with all that that implies....

Reaching that point in my train of thought, I ended. It would be most interesting to present a climate &#039;true believer&#039; with the above and evaluate the reaction. Maybe some of you have chanced to do so already.

Anyway, thanks for reading. I suppose it was the clarity of the logic that impressed itself upon me this time that made me want to write it down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there. I figured I&#8217;d offload an unoriginal thought that I explored a little bit during the drive home from work today. And I might even have hit upon this thought already a few years ago, but whether or no, this time, it was occasioned by my having read a short article from my news feed at work by a passionate wind/solar advocate. </p>
<p>I forget the article&#8217;s details and even the publication source, but those don&#8217;t really matter, other than that the source material tossed out a couple of stats to the effect that a family that goes without meat and cheese for one day a week is doing the climate-equivalent of taking a standard car off the road for five weeks, this kind of thing. Again, whether real or fake math is irrelevant.</p>
<p>What struck me is that, if the wind/solar crowd is really serious about moving the world off of what the article called &#8220;dirty&#8221; energy and &#8216;saving the climate,&#8217; then what this would ultimately require is a total policing of all economic activity (&#8216;economic&#8217; in a very broad sense). This follows from the fact that CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and so on are bulk aggregate phenomena, not something localized. I can&#8217;t conceive of a meaningful large-scale scenario in which there could be 450 ppm CO2 in the air of, say, sub-Saharan Africa and simultaneously 375 ppm CO2 in the air in Central Asia, for example. </p>
<p>In other words, if one is determined to regard atmospheric carbon content as a pollutant, then it cannot be so regarded in the same way that a chemical spill from a factory or a tanker truck would be, because it behaves and is measured differently. The typical chemical spill or sewage dump can be remediated locally and, on a political level, can also be dealt with locally (at least in principle).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to what I concluded some time ago about the concept of socialized health-care finance: once all of the taxpayers (or at least the big-shot &#8216;stakeholders&#8217;) are essentially compelled into ponying up for public health care costs, every individual&#8217;s health and lifestyle choices must inevitably become everyone else&#8217;s business. This follows, again, from the aggregation or ubiquitization, let&#8217;s say, of the property of interest &#8211; in the one case, health care costs and the associated money; in the case more at hand, carbon content in whatever form distributed throughout the planetary atmosphere. </p>
<p>(What would that quantity be in liters at STP, anyway? suddenly wondering abstractly &#8211; complicated, of course, by the fact that one needn&#8217;t rise all that far above the Earth&#8217;s surface to depart substantially from STP conditions. Anyway&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Again, no original thoughts here, but it follows from the above that whole new categories of crimes would have to be invented to grapple with prevention of climate change, assuming that one is serious about attributing it to carbon emissions.<br />
People would have to be punished for driving their cars too much (owners of EVs might be given a greater allowance, but the allowance surely cannot be infinite, so just because one abstains from internal combustion engine usage will be no salvation).<br />
They would have to be punished for owning too many livestock (the existential threat posed by cow flatus!).<br />
They would have to be punished for having too many backyard cookouts or campfires.<br />
And so on. &#8216;Punishment&#8217; can of course encompass a vast range of, shall we say, negative stimuli, and depending on how seriously a government were to take all of this, said stimuli might or might not be proportionate.</p>
<p>Of course, if there are then crimes to be punished, what else is needed? Environmental police. And a coercive authority to direct that police. And since, once again, atmospheric carbon is a global aggregate quantity, this authority&#8217;s jurisdiction would necessarily be global as well, with all that that implies&#8230;.</p>
<p>Reaching that point in my train of thought, I ended. It would be most interesting to present a climate &#8216;true believer&#8217; with the above and evaluate the reaction. Maybe some of you have chanced to do so already.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for reading. I suppose it was the clarity of the logic that impressed itself upon me this time that made me want to write it down.</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Schroeder!  Get that boy a small piano and a picture of Beethoven - and teach him the Snoopy dance theme.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schroeder!  Get that boy a small piano and a picture of Beethoven &#8211; and teach him the Snoopy dance theme.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rep. Chip Roy is on fire. Of course, there is no one in the chamber– because most of the House don’t want to hear it.

“Why does it matter if you’re here if you don’t do something. Put your election on the line. Do something.”

JUST IN: Chip Roy Throws Down The Gauntlet In Furious House Floor Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVFof0AG9U]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Chip Roy is on fire. Of course, there is no one in the chamber– because most of the House don’t want to hear it.</p>
<p>“Why does it matter if you’re here if you don’t do something. Put your election on the line. Do something.”</p>
<p>JUST IN: Chip Roy Throws Down The Gauntlet In Furious House Floor Speech<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVFof0AG9U" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVFof0AG9U</a></p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a 7-year old, from quite a while ago, doing a very good job on one of Rachmaninoff&#039;s more placid preludes.

https://youtu.be/W2s9QRekyTY?si=P_nSwolKg6sAMVZr]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a 7-year old, from quite a while ago, doing a very good job on one of Rachmaninoff&#8217;s more placid preludes.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/W2s9QRekyTY?si=P_nSwolKg6sAMVZr" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/W2s9QRekyTY?si=P_nSwolKg6sAMVZr</a></p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Similar to Gabriela Montero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO8UDmZdOI

Per Wikipedia, &quot;Montero was seven months old when her parents introduced her to the piano. She used her right index finger to play individual notes. When she was fifteen months old, her parents noticed she was picking out a familiar tune on the little piano. Three months later, before she could speak, she had picked out the melody of the National Anthem.&quot;

I read from some other site that all this started after her grandmother put a xylophone in her crib.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to Gabriela Montero: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO8UDmZdOI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO8UDmZdOI</a></p>
<p>Per Wikipedia, &#8220;Montero was seven months old when her parents introduced her to the piano. She used her right index finger to play individual notes. When she was fifteen months old, her parents noticed she was picking out a familiar tune on the little piano. Three months later, before she could speak, she had picked out the melody of the National Anthem.&#8221;</p>
<p>I read from some other site that all this started after her grandmother put a xylophone in her crib.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andre Rieu likes to promote the young phenoms.  But of the ones I&#039;ve seen, none were wearing diapers.]]></description>
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