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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs—Machines, Biological entities, or both?

It has been proposed that the most economical way for an advanced space faring civilization to explore the Galaxy is not to go to all the trouble of sending flesh and blood representatives of their civilizations out to explore every single solar system but, instead, to send out relatively slow moving, self-replicating robots—Von Neumann probes—to explore.

These machines would be AI directed, and when they arrive at a likely solar system would set up shop—to both observe the planets in that solar system for intelligent life, but also to explore that solar system for the raw materials that self-replicating machine could use to manufacture a number of new Von Neumann probes, which it would send further out into the Galaxy toward other likely solar systems. 

In this way it is estimated that a star faring civilization could investigate every star system in the entire Galaxy in several   million years. 

If the probe did find intelligent life in a particular solar system, it would report back to it&#039;s home system and, then, at that point, living beings might be sent to that system to investigate it in person.

Harvard Astronomer Avi Loeb has it right when he is proposing that we should be searching our solar system for evidence of such a Von Neumann probe, sent here by an Alien civilization and observing us.

Or perhaps we are long past that point, and we are being observed--and sometimes interfered with--by Alien &quot;biologics.&quot;

The UFOs we are increasingly seeing in our skies would seem to be some of that evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs—Machines, Biological entities, or both?</p>
<p>It has been proposed that the most economical way for an advanced space faring civilization to explore the Galaxy is not to go to all the trouble of sending flesh and blood representatives of their civilizations out to explore every single solar system but, instead, to send out relatively slow moving, self-replicating robots—Von Neumann probes—to explore.</p>
<p>These machines would be AI directed, and when they arrive at a likely solar system would set up shop—to both observe the planets in that solar system for intelligent life, but also to explore that solar system for the raw materials that self-replicating machine could use to manufacture a number of new Von Neumann probes, which it would send further out into the Galaxy toward other likely solar systems. </p>
<p>In this way it is estimated that a star faring civilization could investigate every star system in the entire Galaxy in several   million years. </p>
<p>If the probe did find intelligent life in a particular solar system, it would report back to it&#8217;s home system and, then, at that point, living beings might be sent to that system to investigate it in person.</p>
<p>Harvard Astronomer Avi Loeb has it right when he is proposing that we should be searching our solar system for evidence of such a Von Neumann probe, sent here by an Alien civilization and observing us.</p>
<p>Or perhaps we are long past that point, and we are being observed&#8211;and sometimes interfered with&#8211;by Alien &#8220;biologics.&#8221;</p>
<p>The UFOs we are increasingly seeing in our skies would seem to be some of that evidence.</p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MrsX, seems on the small side of what I have been considering, but I&#039;ll take your word for it on the lookout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrsX, seems on the small side of what I have been considering, but I&#8217;ll take your word for it on the lookout.</p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine, your account reminds me of what the aliens said to the garden.
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&quot;Take us to your weeder.&quot; ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine, your account reminds me of what the aliens said to the garden.<br />
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&#8220;Take us to your weeder.&#8221; 😉</p>
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		By: MrsX		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 04:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill K, we have a glen terrier (glen of imaal is the official name). Doesn’t shed, low to the ground but sturdy (35-40 pounds), quiet, affectionate, happy to go for long walks or to lie around the house, loves kids, adults and other dogs—probably the best dog we’ve ever had. They’re also incredibly cute! &lt;a href=&quot;//www.k9rl.com/dog-breeds/terriers/glen-of-imaal-terrier/“&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt; Glen of Imaal terrier &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill K, we have a glen terrier (glen of imaal is the official name). Doesn’t shed, low to the ground but sturdy (35-40 pounds), quiet, affectionate, happy to go for long walks or to lie around the house, loves kids, adults and other dogs—probably the best dog we’ve ever had. They’re also incredibly cute! <a href="//www.k9rl.com/dog-breeds/terriers/glen-of-imaal-terrier/“" rel="nofollow ugc"> Glen of Imaal terrier </a></p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 02:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JohnTyler on October 30, 2023 at 2:13 pm said:
The US govt. is totally out of control and many of its agencies need to be abolished.

These 3 recent American Mind articles show the depth of the problem, and perhaps a corrective path going forward, but its core presumption that a solidly Republican presidency and a somewhat supportive congress will be available soon is still in great doubt:

1)  https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/    Vivek Ramaswamy makes a valiant but doomed proposal to dismantle the administrative state.

2) Part I of 2:  https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-i/     What it will take to break the Deep State.  

3) Part II of 2: link to part II available via Part I; same core title.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnTyler on October 30, 2023 at 2:13 pm said:<br />
The US govt. is totally out of control and many of its agencies need to be abolished.</p>
<p>These 3 recent American Mind articles show the depth of the problem, and perhaps a corrective path going forward, but its core presumption that a solidly Republican presidency and a somewhat supportive congress will be available soon is still in great doubt:</p>
<p>1)  <a href="https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/</a>    Vivek Ramaswamy makes a valiant but doomed proposal to dismantle the administrative state.</p>
<p>2) Part I of 2:  <a href="https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-i/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-i/</a>     What it will take to break the Deep State.  </p>
<p>3) Part II of 2: link to part II available via Part I; same core title.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 02:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JohnTyler RE:  Some Possible Reasons for Government UFO Secrecy

Perhaps in the beginning, say, during or immediately after WWII, it was decided by the government that the information that UFOs were real objects, and that they were probably evidence of Alien contact with our world would likely cause terror among many people, and destabilize a Western civilization and a U.S.--and their citizens--all of which had just emerged from a huge World War.

Immediate post WWII Western societies—and perhaps more fragile than usual societies--which might not be able to absorb and to deal with such disturbing information, such a major, human race changing “ontological shock,” challenging all that we thought we knew about ourselves and our place in the Universe.

If you believe what David Grusch says he found out, it appears that in the decades between WWII and now some factions within the government, and perhaps some aerospace contractors as well, have engaged in a lot of criminal activities to keep that very dangerous knowledge from becoming public and believed. 

Then, of course, there was also the very likely consideration that our enemies—Russia and China chief among them--were reportedly also trying to find and to retrieve crashed Alien vehicles—a new, undercover Cold War--and our government would naturally  not want these adversaries to find out what progress–if any—we had made in reverse engineering the UFOs which we had acquired. 

However, during those same decades--while it was taking many steps to deny the reality of UFOs--or it&#039;s interest in them--the government, or some parts of it, were reportedly also trying to promote the idea of Flying Saucers, Aliens, and Space travel in our popular culture, and taking steps to try to guide/manage how those ideas were presented in books, movies, and on TV, perhaps as a way to reduce the ontological shock if such knowledge about the reality of UFOs and Aliens ever escaped their custody, and came to light. 

Well, I think that this particular desensitization campaign has worked very well—“Star Trek,” “Close Encounters,” “Independence Day,” “X-Files,” “Arrival,” etc., etc., etc.--and that if and when this information comes out—is officially confirmed--it will not be anywhere as novel, frightening, and destabilizing as it might have been some 80 years ago. 

(Of course, the real question is, are we dealing with friendly Aliens, or Aliens which are neutral, unfriendly, or actively hostile?)

Whatever it&#039;s character, it&#039;s time to bring this information out, into the light.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnTyler RE:  Some Possible Reasons for Government UFO Secrecy</p>
<p>Perhaps in the beginning, say, during or immediately after WWII, it was decided by the government that the information that UFOs were real objects, and that they were probably evidence of Alien contact with our world would likely cause terror among many people, and destabilize a Western civilization and a U.S.&#8211;and their citizens&#8211;all of which had just emerged from a huge World War.</p>
<p>Immediate post WWII Western societies—and perhaps more fragile than usual societies&#8211;which might not be able to absorb and to deal with such disturbing information, such a major, human race changing “ontological shock,” challenging all that we thought we knew about ourselves and our place in the Universe.</p>
<p>If you believe what David Grusch says he found out, it appears that in the decades between WWII and now some factions within the government, and perhaps some aerospace contractors as well, have engaged in a lot of criminal activities to keep that very dangerous knowledge from becoming public and believed. </p>
<p>Then, of course, there was also the very likely consideration that our enemies—Russia and China chief among them&#8211;were reportedly also trying to find and to retrieve crashed Alien vehicles—a new, undercover Cold War&#8211;and our government would naturally  not want these adversaries to find out what progress–if any—we had made in reverse engineering the UFOs which we had acquired. </p>
<p>However, during those same decades&#8211;while it was taking many steps to deny the reality of UFOs&#8211;or it&#8217;s interest in them&#8211;the government, or some parts of it, were reportedly also trying to promote the idea of Flying Saucers, Aliens, and Space travel in our popular culture, and taking steps to try to guide/manage how those ideas were presented in books, movies, and on TV, perhaps as a way to reduce the ontological shock if such knowledge about the reality of UFOs and Aliens ever escaped their custody, and came to light. </p>
<p>Well, I think that this particular desensitization campaign has worked very well—“Star Trek,” “Close Encounters,” “Independence Day,” “X-Files,” “Arrival,” etc., etc., etc.&#8211;and that if and when this information comes out—is officially confirmed&#8211;it will not be anywhere as novel, frightening, and destabilizing as it might have been some 80 years ago. </p>
<p>(Of course, the real question is, are we dealing with friendly Aliens, or Aliens which are neutral, unfriendly, or actively hostile?)</p>
<p>Whatever it&#8217;s character, it&#8217;s time to bring this information out, into the light.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 02:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ crasey &#062; &quot;If you choose to adopt a shelter dog one of them is gonna choose you. You’ll know&quot;

That definitely has happened in our family -- the kids &#038; grandkids, not us.
We&#039;re past the stage of wanting to walk the dog in the dark in the snow, which dumped on us Sunday for the opening salvo of Colorado winter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ crasey &gt; &#8220;If you choose to adopt a shelter dog one of them is gonna choose you. You’ll know&#8221;</p>
<p>That definitely has happened in our family &#8212; the kids &amp; grandkids, not us.<br />
We&#8217;re past the stage of wanting to walk the dog in the dark in the snow, which dumped on us Sunday for the opening salvo of Colorado winter.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul in Boston, India has a continuing simmering problem between its Hindu majority and a large Muslim minority. The area was ruled by Muslim invaders for several centuries; they tore down Hindu temples and in some cases took the stones away to be used as courtyard pavements for mosques (where they would be stepped on and therefore disrespected). There was a terrorist attack in Mumbai a few years ago, in which Pakistani jihadis especially targeted Jewish residents, something that shocked Indians.

(I lived there for a couple of years, so I am also aware of the Hindu antipathy to Indian Christians, which is a different topic.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul in Boston, India has a continuing simmering problem between its Hindu majority and a large Muslim minority. The area was ruled by Muslim invaders for several centuries; they tore down Hindu temples and in some cases took the stones away to be used as courtyard pavements for mosques (where they would be stepped on and therefore disrespected). There was a terrorist attack in Mumbai a few years ago, in which Pakistani jihadis especially targeted Jewish residents, something that shocked Indians.</p>
<p>(I lived there for a couple of years, so I am also aware of the Hindu antipathy to Indian Christians, which is a different topic.)</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not exactly new, but stands to reason that the more money given to a thoroughly corrupt regime, the larger the amounts disappearing into a black hole.

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyy-aide-corruption-ukraine-people-stealing-theres-tomorrow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Zelenskyy aide on corruption in Ukraine: &#039;People are stealing like there&#039;s no tomorrow&#039;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

One &#039;y&#039;: major but run-of-the-mill government corruption
Two &#039;y&#039;s: super duper big time corruption on steroids

Heaven help us if he adds another &#039;y&#039;. That might trigger a galaxy-swallowing super massive black hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly new, but stands to reason that the more money given to a thoroughly corrupt regime, the larger the amounts disappearing into a black hole.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyy-aide-corruption-ukraine-people-stealing-theres-tomorrow" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Zelenskyy aide on corruption in Ukraine: &#8216;People are stealing like there&#8217;s no tomorrow&#8217;</b></a></p>
<p>One &#8216;y&#8217;: major but run-of-the-mill government corruption<br />
Two &#8216;y&#8217;s: super duper big time corruption on steroids</p>
<p>Heaven help us if he adds another &#8216;y&#8217;. That might trigger a galaxy-swallowing super massive black hole.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here’s a surprising (to me) YouTube video from India from 2 weeks ago. The  Major is very pro Israel and mentions help that Israel gave India in 1971 when there was a major flare up(war?) with Pakistan.  He is also all in on India providing weapons and money to the Israelis.  The commenters are quite pro Israel as well.  He clearly has real animus towards the Muslims.

https://youtu.be/MYY4aF2yvZU?si=wb_eUhesCcaV3GUC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s a surprising (to me) YouTube video from India from 2 weeks ago. The  Major is very pro Israel and mentions help that Israel gave India in 1971 when there was a major flare up(war?) with Pakistan.  He is also all in on India providing weapons and money to the Israelis.  The commenters are quite pro Israel as well.  He clearly has real animus towards the Muslims.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/MYY4aF2yvZU?si=wb_eUhesCcaV3GUC" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/MYY4aF2yvZU?si=wb_eUhesCcaV3GUC</a></p>
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