That’s not quite what I have in mind.

I’m using the phrase, “Nation of Palestine”, so as not to say just, “the Palestinians”, because some readers of this site might read the words, “the Palestinians”, and be confused about whether I mean one of three things:

Palestinian people…as in people who are ethically or partly-ethnically Palestinian, or the land that has historically been called Palestine, or the nation that has been diplomatically recognized [as the nation named Palestine].

When I talk about, “the nation of Palestine”, I mean: the nation that has been diplomatically recognized as, [the nation of Palestine].

Also, just to clarify: I am not taking sides in the fight of: should the Israeli nation own “the Holy Lands”, or should the Palestinian nation own “the Holy Lands”.
I think that this is a fight or a decision that I should not enter into, since I am not any of the Middle Eastern people described in my comments, who are concerned about who should own, or does own, “the Holy Lands”.

Also: no, I have no ignorance in my possession. Thank you for your concern that I might have some in my possession. Your concern has been noted and recorded.

Cheers,

TR

That you repeatedly use the phrase the “nation of Palestine” makes me think you are intentionally flaunting your ignorance.

As I have read in history books, and in the news:

as I understand it: [most of] the Jewish people in the nation of Israel see [the land of the nation of Israel, and the land of the nation of Palestine]- as their [Holy Land], and believe that only [they] should own those lands, as in, “this land was given to them by their God”, and so only they should own it.

And as I understand it- [most of] the Muslim people in the nation of Palestine see [the land nation of Israel and the land of the nation of Palestine, and Jerusalem] as THEIR [Holy Land], possibly because: 1) the Prophet Mohammad, [whom I have heard is seen by the Muslim people, as one of the most respected, and most Holy of Muslim people,] because went to visit Jerusalem…which to many Muslim people [is part of the reason that Jerusalem, and [the land that is now the nation of Israel], + [the land that is now the nation of Palestine] as their Holy Land.

I have heard- Another reason that most Muslim people see Jerusalem…part of The Muslim’s Holy Land, as a Holy place, because most Muslims believe that- the Prophet Mohammad went to Jerusalem, and according to The Muslim’s religion- Jerusalem is the place where the Prophet Mohammad ascended into Heaven, and talked to God.

Here is a link that talks about that belief by many Muslim people:

https://www.globalministries.org/resource/background_definitions_islam/ S

So, in that religion’s tradition, if a Holy event happened in Jerusalem and also “Israel’s land”, and also “Palestine’s land”, then this event makes these lands into a Holy Land, to many people.

As I understand it- Many Jewish/Israeli people in the Middle East see their Holy Land as a land that was given to only them, and they are the only ones who should have it + protect it.
But that land is also partly claimed by many Muslim/Palestinian at the same time.

And at the same time, many Muslim/Palestinian people in the Middle East see their Holy Land as as a land that was given to only them, and they are the only ones who should have it + protect it.
But that land is also partly claimed by many Jewish/Israeli people at the same time.

As I see it, a large problem with these two peoples, both who are claiming some Middle Eastern land as [land that must be owned, just by our people alone], is that [many of the Muslim people in the nation of Palestine], and [many people of the nation of Israel], claim that [this land is land that must be owned by our people alone], and they will not compromise in their views on who may own these lands.

From what I’ve seen in the Middle East, over decades of seeing this dispute, is [that these two peoples see this land as land made Holy or special by [their own] religion’s Heaven, and so their religion’s Heavens say that [only their group] should keep the Holy Land, and not the other.

A friend of mine who is, [full disclosure…now [was], since he has passed on], is a Professor of Middle Eastern studies, and he has heard my opinions of the Middle Eastern struggle over [Israel, and Palestine], as Holy Lands…and who should own them, and he agrees/has agreed with those opinions.

He also has said, which I think is accurate, that- many Jewish/Israeli people in the Middle East, and many Muslim/Palestinian in the Middle East, have fought a bitter…social struggle, and many determined armed struggles, over who owns the Holy Lands in the Middle East, that these two groups are in a fight to the death over who will get to own these Holy Lands.

This is why I believe strongly, that- only these two groups hold the solution to this struggle, which will likely be one or both groups deciding to stop this deadly fight over the Holy Land or Holy Lands that make up the lands that are now the nation of Israel, and the nation of Palestine.

It it not that I don’t want other nations to help these two peoples to find a peaceful solution to [this problem, over who should own these lands], but I don’t see that either of these two groups are willing to hear from other nations…what other nations see as possible solutions to these lands.

As a summing up idea: seeing these two peoples fight over these lands is maybe like- a group of people seeing two mountain lions fighting to the death…as much as anyone, or any group, would like to stop this fight from happening, most likely- only these two can stop this fight, and anyone trying to interfere will only draw the anger or opposition of these two fighters, if others try to interfere.

It is a sad thing to say, but- it appears that-
the two peoples in this conflict are bound and determined to fight over this land, even if this fight means their two nations’ destruction, while they carry out this fight.

It’s possible that any assistance, or pressure, put on these two peoples, while they do this fight, will only be met with resentment or opposition from these peoples.

It’s likely that- we and/or outsiders cannot get peoples involved in this struggle, to 1) find compromises about these lands, or to 2) end this conflict, with outside help.

Most likely- we cannot get a people or groups of people to stop a conflict, when they have set it in their minds that they will never do so.

I do not mean any slight to you or anyone, neo, but if you think that is comment is not supported by facts or history, then please reply, with your points, how my comment is not supported by facts or history.

I am always open to hearing, polite, differing opinions, from other people on the web.

Cheers,

Your [hopefully] humble friend or acquaintance on the internet,

TR

I’m glad to hear yours had good results. I think it may have been because they were already predisposed towards Israel. I tried it with people who were not.

One day it occurred to me that basic knowledge of the history of the modern state of Israel might not be extant for my non-Jewish friends. I began sharing some rudimentary facts, eg. the Balfour Declaration, the UN partition, accepted by Israel, rejected by the Arabs, the multiple two state proposals offered by Israel rejected by the Arabs, that the PLO was formed years before Israel occupied the West Band and Gaza, and that, in the 19 years Arab countries controlled these territories, there was no move to create a Palestinian state.

This was all news to them. I’m happy to say my closest friends had already come down on Israel’s side based on what they did know, but it was eye opening to me how much they didn’t know. Here are some summaries of that history, in order of length:

Ben Shapiro
https://youtu.be/pefEIwoTEnE?feature=shared

Yaron Brook
https://youtu.be/SQ-xRdpAass?feature=shared

Haviv Rettig Gur (Time of Israel)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2eEqLiese3hX35pVtDA9AT?si=cjYJiYD7RImFTC4JxDJgnA

Ironically, one of those newly educated friends had lunch with a couple of liberal Jewish colleagues. She shared some of these facts. It was news to them.

https://twitter.com/StoryFanatics1/status/1718878518363197543

people pretend as if there wasn’t a small war just two years ago, when the regime unfroze funds to those two criminal entities,

That is quite an understatement to TR.