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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 04:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Oligonicella  - there is a delightful stage play about Florence Foster Jenkins (and also a movie), in which a friend of mine played the starring role in a small community theater.  The friend is a superb singer, and she said singing off-key and worse was the hardest thing she had ever done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins

Her birth name was Narcissa Florence Foster, and although she dropped the first word, her life story shows how appropriate it was.  And yet, she was much loved, despite being  &quot;the world&#039;s worst opera singer ... No one, before or since, has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Oligonicella  &#8211; there is a delightful stage play about Florence Foster Jenkins (and also a movie), in which a friend of mine played the starring role in a small community theater.  The friend is a superb singer, and she said singing off-key and worse was the hardest thing she had ever done.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins</a></p>
<p>Her birth name was Narcissa Florence Foster, and although she dropped the first word, her life story shows how appropriate it was.  And yet, she was much loved, despite being  &#8220;the world&#8217;s worst opera singer &#8230; No one, before or since, has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation.&#8221;</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes PA+Cat . . . and . . . booooo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes PA+Cat . . . and . . . booooo?</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Maine mass murderer has killed himself at a recycling center (Wall Street Journal https://archive.ph/0xxtg and Associated Press https://tinyurl.com/yc2bjje5).

Both the murders and the suicide leave too many unanswered questions, along with the inevitable sorrow and bitterness.

I don&#039;t know what purpose my comment can serve.  Some kind of gesture, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Maine mass murderer has killed himself at a recycling center (Wall Street Journal <a href="https://archive.ph/0xxtg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://archive.ph/0xxtg</a> and Associated Press <a href="https://tinyurl.com/yc2bjje5" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tinyurl.com/yc2bjje5</a>).</p>
<p>Both the murders and the suicide leave too many unanswered questions, along with the inevitable sorrow and bitterness.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what purpose my comment can serve.  Some kind of gesture, I guess.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/27/open-thread-10-27-23/#comment-2705280</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 01:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdferr--

About Card (is it okay to say he wasn&#039;t dealing with a full deck?)-- At least Canada won&#039;t have to worry about the War of 1812 v.2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdferr&#8211;</p>
<p>About Card (is it okay to say he wasn&#8217;t dealing with a full deck?)&#8211; At least Canada won&#8217;t have to worry about the War of 1812 v.2.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 01:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Card found, is dead. See: https://instapundit.com/613847/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Card found, is dead. See: <a href="https://instapundit.com/613847/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/613847/</a></p>
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		By: T J		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/27/open-thread-10-27-23/#comment-2705263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PA+Cat -- thanks for &quot;Trudeaupia&quot;! 
This is my first time hearing that arch sobriquet.
Yum!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA+Cat &#8212; thanks for &#8220;Trudeaupia&#8221;!<br />
This is my first time hearing that arch sobriquet.<br />
Yum!</p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 22:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And in other bad news, Jordan Peterson lost in Canadian court: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AmaXT4RrZzA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in other bad news, Jordan Peterson lost in Canadian court: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AmaXT4RrZzA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AmaXT4RrZzA</a></p>
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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oligonicella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First - my favorite off key singer is and has always been Florence Foster Jenkins.  Highly recommend Streep&#039;s movie of that name.  

Since it&#039;s a bird video - I have a funny bird story.

***

&lt;b&gt; The time a 500 lb whip-o-will took over my farm.  &lt;/b&gt;

Had just finished building the house the year before.  Still some debris laying around and things left over from the previous owner; old hen coop, so forth.  

One of those things was a farm sized propane fuel tank - 8&#039; long, 4&#039; wide cylinder of cast iron.  Empty, of course.  

We moved in and apparently a male whip-o-will had been waiting for the activity to die down.  

Each night during the mating season (thankfully only) he would perch atop the tank after dusk and call out &quot;whip..o..will&quot; for a couple hours.  

At about 60 or 70 decibels.  

There is no doubt in my mind that he got laid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; my favorite off key singer is and has always been Florence Foster Jenkins.  Highly recommend Streep&#8217;s movie of that name.  </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s a bird video &#8211; I have a funny bird story.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p><b> The time a 500 lb whip-o-will took over my farm.  </b></p>
<p>Had just finished building the house the year before.  Still some debris laying around and things left over from the previous owner; old hen coop, so forth.  </p>
<p>One of those things was a farm sized propane fuel tank &#8211; 8&#8242; long, 4&#8242; wide cylinder of cast iron.  Empty, of course.  </p>
<p>We moved in and apparently a male whip-o-will had been waiting for the activity to die down.  </p>
<p>Each night during the mating season (thankfully only) he would perch atop the tank after dusk and call out &#8220;whip..o..will&#8221; for a couple hours.  </p>
<p>At about 60 or 70 decibels.  </p>
<p>There is no doubt in my mind that he got laid.</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Enough of this: Hamas co-founder&#039;s son speaks out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2BSDLFVT74

Listening to this gives me hope IF Israel is able to follow through on destroying Hamas. I want to believe he&#039;s not alone.

h/t: https://behindtheblack.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough of this: Hamas co-founder&#8217;s son speaks out. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2BSDLFVT74" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2BSDLFVT74</a></p>
<p>Listening to this gives me hope IF Israel is able to follow through on destroying Hamas. I want to believe he&#8217;s not alone.</p>
<p>h/t: <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://behindtheblack.com/</a></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs and the question of Intent

Whatever Non-Human  Intelligence (NHI) and/or AI is directing the multitude of UFOs which increasingly swarm through our skies, we are well past the question of, are they real?

Thus, the main question now, the most important question is, what is their intent?

Wherever we might fit on some Galactic intelligence or development scale, we are obviously of interest to these NHIs so, given their all too obvious interest, what do they want with us humans?

Are they benign, are they neutral, are they malevolent, or some combination of these attitudes and approaches?

First of all, I think that the many differences in size, shape, flight characteristics, colors, and operations of these UFOs makes a good case for the idea that we are not just dealing with one species of NHI, but, instead,  that we are dealing with a number of different species of NHIs and, thus, possibly with a number of different NHI agendas and approaches. 

As I understand it, most sightings of and encounters with UFOs and their occupants—although they do leave their indelible mark, and can be life altering--do not seem to demonstrate malignant intent.

A different category are Abductions, and in these situations you can certainly infer some level of what—from our human perspective--looks like malignant intent. 

However, when you are looking for intent, and for examples of actual attacks on humans, you need to look at the little publicized or known series of attacks by UFOs starting in 1977 in the Colares area, in the state of Para in Brazil and, thereafter, spreading throughout the whole country, and running all the way up through 2003, in which cumulatively hundreds, perhaps thousands of villagers were pursued by UFOs, terrorized by them, and many of them injured by some type of ray directed at them, which caused many types of illnesses and symptoms, sometimes burns, scarring, comas, long lingering illnesses, and sometimes deaths.  

This long lasting reign of terror—which apparently hardly anyone has ever heard of--was thoroughly investigated and documented by the Brazilian military—hundreds of in person interviews, medical records, photographs,etc., and as well as by the researchers at the DIA&#039;s formerly secret AAWSAP/BASS UFO research program.*

See Chapter 19, “The UFO Assault on Brazil” in James Lacatski, Colm A. Kelleher, and George Knapp&#039;s &#039;s October 2023 book, “Inside the U.S. Covert UFO Program: Initial Revelations.”  

	* See also Bob Pratt&#039;s 1996 book,“UFO Danger Zone: Terror and Death in Brazil” 

Thus,  I think that we may be dealing with a number of different species of NHIs;  a lot of them apparently benign and/or neutral, and some—from their actions--definitely hostile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs and the question of Intent</p>
<p>Whatever Non-Human  Intelligence (NHI) and/or AI is directing the multitude of UFOs which increasingly swarm through our skies, we are well past the question of, are they real?</p>
<p>Thus, the main question now, the most important question is, what is their intent?</p>
<p>Wherever we might fit on some Galactic intelligence or development scale, we are obviously of interest to these NHIs so, given their all too obvious interest, what do they want with us humans?</p>
<p>Are they benign, are they neutral, are they malevolent, or some combination of these attitudes and approaches?</p>
<p>First of all, I think that the many differences in size, shape, flight characteristics, colors, and operations of these UFOs makes a good case for the idea that we are not just dealing with one species of NHI, but, instead,  that we are dealing with a number of different species of NHIs and, thus, possibly with a number of different NHI agendas and approaches. </p>
<p>As I understand it, most sightings of and encounters with UFOs and their occupants—although they do leave their indelible mark, and can be life altering&#8211;do not seem to demonstrate malignant intent.</p>
<p>A different category are Abductions, and in these situations you can certainly infer some level of what—from our human perspective&#8211;looks like malignant intent. </p>
<p>However, when you are looking for intent, and for examples of actual attacks on humans, you need to look at the little publicized or known series of attacks by UFOs starting in 1977 in the Colares area, in the state of Para in Brazil and, thereafter, spreading throughout the whole country, and running all the way up through 2003, in which cumulatively hundreds, perhaps thousands of villagers were pursued by UFOs, terrorized by them, and many of them injured by some type of ray directed at them, which caused many types of illnesses and symptoms, sometimes burns, scarring, comas, long lingering illnesses, and sometimes deaths.  </p>
<p>This long lasting reign of terror—which apparently hardly anyone has ever heard of&#8211;was thoroughly investigated and documented by the Brazilian military—hundreds of in person interviews, medical records, photographs,etc., and as well as by the researchers at the DIA&#8217;s formerly secret AAWSAP/BASS UFO research program.*</p>
<p>See Chapter 19, “The UFO Assault on Brazil” in James Lacatski, Colm A. Kelleher, and George Knapp&#8217;s &#8216;s October 2023 book, “Inside the U.S. Covert UFO Program: Initial Revelations.”  </p>
<p>	* See also Bob Pratt&#8217;s 1996 book,“UFO Danger Zone: Terror and Death in Brazil” </p>
<p>Thus,  I think that we may be dealing with a number of different species of NHIs;  a lot of them apparently benign and/or neutral, and some—from their actions&#8211;definitely hostile.</p>
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