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		By: Tom Billings		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Anti-Semitism is a protean and flexible instrument, as well as an incredibly virulent and long-lived one. &quot;

That is true, because Jew-hatred&#039;s university basis is long-lived, in the association people in academia have between Jews and Markets. A University was first  chartered (in 1088A.D.) as a place to train up men to a standard of literacy that enabled them to be government clerks. As the continuing industrial revolution proceeds, the market for government clerk jobs is ever-more imperiled, alongside the university market for training those clerks. This is visible in the most competent published definition of the continuing industrial revolution:

“When a society moves from allocating resources by custom and tradition [moderns read here, by politics] to allocating resources by markets, they may be said to have undergone an industrial revolution”  Arnold Toynbee-1884

It is no oddity that the place people go to hook into the government power hierarchies, the Ivy League, is currently a cesspool of both anti-market hatred, and of Jew-hatred. In particular, this hatred swelled over the past 50 years, as the Jews were no longer downtrodden, but victorious in war, and, as they ceased their socialist rejection of markets in Israel, increasingly the richest nation in the Middle East.

The University, as a social artifact, is, by its purpose, inherently hateful of markets, and of those groups associated with successful market participation. As long as the Jews were downtrodden and under mortal threat, they could be praised, without worry. But powerful and victorious Jews, participating in markets around the world, are a threat, and are not a threat to be tolerated.

IMHO, it is the universities, and their Administrators, that hate Jews more than any other power block in Industrializing societies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anti-Semitism is a protean and flexible instrument, as well as an incredibly virulent and long-lived one. &#8221;</p>
<p>That is true, because Jew-hatred&#8217;s university basis is long-lived, in the association people in academia have between Jews and Markets. A University was first  chartered (in 1088A.D.) as a place to train up men to a standard of literacy that enabled them to be government clerks. As the continuing industrial revolution proceeds, the market for government clerk jobs is ever-more imperiled, alongside the university market for training those clerks. This is visible in the most competent published definition of the continuing industrial revolution:</p>
<p>“When a society moves from allocating resources by custom and tradition [moderns read here, by politics] to allocating resources by markets, they may be said to have undergone an industrial revolution”  Arnold Toynbee-1884</p>
<p>It is no oddity that the place people go to hook into the government power hierarchies, the Ivy League, is currently a cesspool of both anti-market hatred, and of Jew-hatred. In particular, this hatred swelled over the past 50 years, as the Jews were no longer downtrodden, but victorious in war, and, as they ceased their socialist rejection of markets in Israel, increasingly the richest nation in the Middle East.</p>
<p>The University, as a social artifact, is, by its purpose, inherently hateful of markets, and of those groups associated with successful market participation. As long as the Jews were downtrodden and under mortal threat, they could be praised, without worry. But powerful and victorious Jews, participating in markets around the world, are a threat, and are not a threat to be tolerated.</p>
<p>IMHO, it is the universities, and their Administrators, that hate Jews more than any other power block in Industrializing societies.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember walter mead in his crazy youthful era, making those points about the us and israel and australia, in mortal splendor, then he settled down]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember walter mead in his crazy youthful era, making those points about the us and israel and australia, in mortal splendor, then he settled down</p>
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		By: William Befort		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Befort]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note that the currently fashionable catchphrase for everything the Left hates is no longer &quot;white supremacy&quot; (aka Western civilization) but &quot;settler colonists,&quot; a term equally applicable to Israel and the Americas (though I expect there&#039;s a carveout for Hispanics).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the currently fashionable catchphrase for everything the Left hates is no longer &#8220;white supremacy&#8221; (aka Western civilization) but &#8220;settler colonists,&#8221; a term equally applicable to Israel and the Americas (though I expect there&#8217;s a carveout for Hispanics).</p>
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		By: Instapundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NEO: Hating the Israelis and Jews even more after the October 7 attacks: why? The more the Palestin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Marlene		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marlene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Neo&#039;s 1st factor -- Romanticism --
&quot;Berlin’s assertion that the Romantics glorified those perceived as downtrodden: the failures and the minorities. Romantics didn’t just express empathy or sympathy for them, but actually elevated them to a place more worthy and more noble than the successes and the majorities. …&quot;
 This immediately brought George Floyd to mind, for me.
 Of course, there are others.  The left are really good at elevating non-white criminals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Neo&#8217;s 1st factor &#8212; Romanticism &#8212;<br />
&#8220;Berlin’s assertion that the Romantics glorified those perceived as downtrodden: the failures and the minorities. Romantics didn’t just express empathy or sympathy for them, but actually elevated them to a place more worthy and more noble than the successes and the majorities. …&#8221;<br />
 This immediately brought George Floyd to mind, for me.<br />
 Of course, there are others.  The left are really good at elevating non-white criminals.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 16:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ace of Spades HQ has a lengthy Morning Rant, eventually getting to a poll which suggests ten percent, give or take, of American Jews support Hamas.
He has some...words for that.

Why?  Far as I can tell, there is a school of thought which thinks America is bad, no facts needed, and the same for the West.  Thus, our enemies, no matter how foul, are better and must be supported.  Besides, only the knuckle-dragging &quot;Patriots&quot; think the US is a good idea, all things considered.  We intelligent folks know better and that&#039;s why we&#039;re in the minority.  The virtuous minority.

I feel that in various conversations when stuff like facts come up.  Might be wrong...but what else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ace of Spades HQ has a lengthy Morning Rant, eventually getting to a poll which suggests ten percent, give or take, of American Jews support Hamas.<br />
He has some&#8230;words for that.</p>
<p>Why?  Far as I can tell, there is a school of thought which thinks America is bad, no facts needed, and the same for the West.  Thus, our enemies, no matter how foul, are better and must be supported.  Besides, only the knuckle-dragging &#8220;Patriots&#8221; think the US is a good idea, all things considered.  We intelligent folks know better and that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re in the minority.  The virtuous minority.</p>
<p>I feel that in various conversations when stuff like facts come up.  Might be wrong&#8230;but what else?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Telegraph started a new podcast this week about the Hamas war on Israel and have had two episodes. I am struck how easily they have fallen into acceptance of Hamas propaganda first on the &quot;Hospital Bombing&quot; and then accentuating the &quot;civilian&quot; casualties resulting from IDF air strikes in Gaza.  They also display an anti-Bibi attitude.

Today their correspondent Daniela reported about seeing the unedited video from the massacres and how she was shocked, shaken, but soon talked about those who in their grief blame the Israeli government and military.

Another correspondent, Natalia, spoke about a leftist peace activist family living in a kibutz on the border  who went out if they way to help the Gazamites, but were slaughtered by the Hamashites on 10/7/2023.  She spoke to a surviving son who wasn&#039;t there, and how, approvingly it seems, he blames the Israeli govermmment.  How much more difficult to face reality that the leftist/peace mindset regarding Hamashites is and was deadly to Israel, Jews, and his own family.  

There were other segments about Turkey (Erdogan good mostly) no mention of the Turkish flotilla incident that Hamas did ~ 10 years ago, but mentioning that Erdogan has been very soft about the massacre.

Another segment mentioned Xi and the CCP accepting anti-semetic and anti-Israeli propaganda on the CCP interwebs.

It was disappointing to see the spin &quot;Israel bad&quot; be promoted so soon after the massacre.

The podcast is called &quot;Battle Lines&quot; it may get better, so far it is in purgatory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Telegraph started a new podcast this week about the Hamas war on Israel and have had two episodes. I am struck how easily they have fallen into acceptance of Hamas propaganda first on the &#8220;Hospital Bombing&#8221; and then accentuating the &#8220;civilian&#8221; casualties resulting from IDF air strikes in Gaza.  They also display an anti-Bibi attitude.</p>
<p>Today their correspondent Daniela reported about seeing the unedited video from the massacres and how she was shocked, shaken, but soon talked about those who in their grief blame the Israeli government and military.</p>
<p>Another correspondent, Natalia, spoke about a leftist peace activist family living in a kibutz on the border  who went out if they way to help the Gazamites, but were slaughtered by the Hamashites on 10/7/2023.  She spoke to a surviving son who wasn&#8217;t there, and how, approvingly it seems, he blames the Israeli govermmment.  How much more difficult to face reality that the leftist/peace mindset regarding Hamashites is and was deadly to Israel, Jews, and his own family.  </p>
<p>There were other segments about Turkey (Erdogan good mostly) no mention of the Turkish flotilla incident that Hamas did ~ 10 years ago, but mentioning that Erdogan has been very soft about the massacre.</p>
<p>Another segment mentioned Xi and the CCP accepting anti-semetic and anti-Israeli propaganda on the CCP interwebs.</p>
<p>It was disappointing to see the spin &#8220;Israel bad&#8221; be promoted so soon after the massacre.</p>
<p>The podcast is called &#8220;Battle Lines&#8221; it may get better, so far it is in purgatory.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 09:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the comments I mentioned drew attention to this perceptive, if pessimistic, post from Bayou Renaissance Man: 

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/10/organized-mayhem-on-american-streets.html
&lt;blockquote&gt;Matthew Braken posted a link to this video on X (previously Twitter).  At 1m. 41sec. in the video, you can see a minivan try to get away from a horde of Antifa &quot;demonstrators&quot;, only to be intercepted by highly organized and well-equipped rioters.
...
There&#039;s more at the link, including a detailed photographic analysis of what happened.  I highly recommend that you watch the video and read the original post.

Please note that the organizers of this &quot;demonstration&quot; had foreseen the need for such highly organized, well equipped, aggressive agents, and provided for it.  This was no casual gathering:  it was a professional operation, planned and executed with precision.  We&#039;ve seen it before in left-wing progressive-dominated cities like Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland and elsewhere.  Now we&#039;re seeing it in many more cities.
...
All my previous warnings to get out of &quot;big blue&quot; American cities are reinforced by this video.  If you live in such an environment, the risks to your safety grow daily.  Get out if possible.  If you can&#039;t get out, or if you have to visit such cities from time to time, pay attention to the ever-growing need to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones against such organized criminality, if necessary.

This is what the organized left intends to bring to America&#039;s streets everywhere.  Plan, train and equip yourselves accordingly.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the comments I mentioned drew attention to this perceptive, if pessimistic, post from Bayou Renaissance Man: </p>
<p><a href="https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/10/organized-mayhem-on-american-streets.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/10/organized-mayhem-on-american-streets.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Matthew Braken posted a link to this video on X (previously Twitter).  At 1m. 41sec. in the video, you can see a minivan try to get away from a horde of Antifa &#8220;demonstrators&#8221;, only to be intercepted by highly organized and well-equipped rioters.<br />
&#8230;<br />
There&#8217;s more at the link, including a detailed photographic analysis of what happened.  I highly recommend that you watch the video and read the original post.</p>
<p>Please note that the organizers of this &#8220;demonstration&#8221; had foreseen the need for such highly organized, well equipped, aggressive agents, and provided for it.  This was no casual gathering:  it was a professional operation, planned and executed with precision.  We&#8217;ve seen it before in left-wing progressive-dominated cities like Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland and elsewhere.  Now we&#8217;re seeing it in many more cities.<br />
&#8230;<br />
All my previous warnings to get out of &#8220;big blue&#8221; American cities are reinforced by this video.  If you live in such an environment, the risks to your safety grow daily.  Get out if possible.  If you can&#8217;t get out, or if you have to visit such cities from time to time, pay attention to the ever-growing need to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones against such organized criminality, if necessary.</p>
<p>This is what the organized left intends to bring to America&#8217;s streets everywhere.  Plan, train and equip yourselves accordingly.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 09:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After reading David&#039;s post at CB, I took a look at this one from Sgt. Mom on October 19 and highly recommend it, as well as the associated comments.

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70151.html
&quot;A Double-Edged Sword&quot;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I expect any minute a rousing chorus of “Tomorrow Belongs To Me” from the Jew-hating undergrads and their professors on the campus too many colleges and universities.

I used to wonder how Germans under Adolph Hitler came around to accept, support, or at least turn a blind eye towards the so-called “Final Solution”, during the 1930s and ’40s. Well, wonder no more – I’ve seen it play out now in real time.
...
To try and focus on the horror and misery inflicted on the innocent and the self-justifying replies from the usual pro-Palestinians boils down to something like the rationale from an abusive spouse – “Look at what you made me do!”

All that being said, we are seeing a backlash of sorts, this time around. The loud, proud, and indiscreet Jew-haters are getting called out, substantially.
...
It’s almost impossible to explain all that away, to claim exaggeration, war propaganda, bias … when it’s all out there on the internet, unmediated by reporters and a media which likely has a bias of their own. The internet and social media have become a double-edged sword. We can see events unfiltered.

Third – I do wonder how many Americans really have any warm feelings towards Islam and Islam-inspired wars of conquest.
...
In the years since 2001, a fair number of American military personnel have served a rotation or two (or more) in Muslim-dominated countries and overall have been less than enchanted with what they saw there or experienced.

Are we finally seeing a turning point?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if we are, the unholy cabal of the Left and Islam will do a lot of damage before it is vanquished, whether apocalyptically or on a lesser scale.
Sarah Hoyt&#039;s blogposts discuss the various possibilities frequently, and in general I agree with her that in the end we win, they lose; but it will be a long hard road to get there.

Side note about the veterans with no illusions about the prevalence of Noble Muslims: another reason for Democrats to run them out of the DEI Forces?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading David&#8217;s post at CB, I took a look at this one from Sgt. Mom on October 19 and highly recommend it, as well as the associated comments.</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70151.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70151.html</a><br />
&#8220;A Double-Edged Sword&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>
I expect any minute a rousing chorus of “Tomorrow Belongs To Me” from the Jew-hating undergrads and their professors on the campus too many colleges and universities.</p>
<p>I used to wonder how Germans under Adolph Hitler came around to accept, support, or at least turn a blind eye towards the so-called “Final Solution”, during the 1930s and ’40s. Well, wonder no more – I’ve seen it play out now in real time.<br />
&#8230;<br />
To try and focus on the horror and misery inflicted on the innocent and the self-justifying replies from the usual pro-Palestinians boils down to something like the rationale from an abusive spouse – “Look at what you made me do!”</p>
<p>All that being said, we are seeing a backlash of sorts, this time around. The loud, proud, and indiscreet Jew-haters are getting called out, substantially.<br />
&#8230;<br />
It’s almost impossible to explain all that away, to claim exaggeration, war propaganda, bias … when it’s all out there on the internet, unmediated by reporters and a media which likely has a bias of their own. The internet and social media have become a double-edged sword. We can see events unfiltered.</p>
<p>Third – I do wonder how many Americans really have any warm feelings towards Islam and Islam-inspired wars of conquest.<br />
&#8230;<br />
In the years since 2001, a fair number of American military personnel have served a rotation or two (or more) in Muslim-dominated countries and overall have been less than enchanted with what they saw there or experienced.</p>
<p>Are we finally seeing a turning point?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if we are, the unholy cabal of the Left and Islam will do a lot of damage before it is vanquished, whether apocalyptically or on a lesser scale.<br />
Sarah Hoyt&#8217;s blogposts discuss the various possibilities frequently, and in general I agree with her that in the end we win, they lose; but it will be a long hard road to get there.</p>
<p>Side note about the veterans with no illusions about the prevalence of Noble Muslims: another reason for Democrats to run them out of the DEI Forces?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David &#062; &quot;re Romanticism, see ”Blame &lt;b&gt;Biden&lt;/b&gt; for Entertainment-Industry Leftism’.

I knew he was old, but not that ancient!

Thanks for the link, though; the writer&#039;s observations from 2004 (practically antediluvian!) were indeed enlightening.
Things have only gotten worse since then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David &gt; &#8220;re Romanticism, see ”Blame <b>Biden</b> for Entertainment-Industry Leftism’.</p>
<p>I knew he was old, but not that ancient!</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, though; the writer&#8217;s observations from 2004 (practically antediluvian!) were indeed enlightening.<br />
Things have only gotten worse since then.</p>
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