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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704841</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 04:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ TJ in re Gaetz&#039;s claims: interesting news, assuming we can believe Gaetz, but objections to his story should surface soon if there are any.
The part about Johnson refusing to go along with the secret polls as were held previously (especially the one kicking Jordan to the curb) fits with my perception of co-ordinated obstruction by the McCarthy faction.

Gaetz, as quoted at GP:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Ultimately, McCarthy gets 43 to vote for him on a secret ballot, but Mike Johnson gets a majority.

And then he (Mike Johnson?) says, you know what I want? I want a roll call vote so that those 43 would have to announce themselves as being for a candidate who wasn’t even running instead of a unifying force like Mike Johnson. And when we called for the roll call. Do you know how many people voted for Kevin McCarthy? Zero!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TJ in re Gaetz&#8217;s claims: interesting news, assuming we can believe Gaetz, but objections to his story should surface soon if there are any.<br />
The part about Johnson refusing to go along with the secret polls as were held previously (especially the one kicking Jordan to the curb) fits with my perception of co-ordinated obstruction by the McCarthy faction.</p>
<p>Gaetz, as quoted at GP:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ultimately, McCarthy gets 43 to vote for him on a secret ballot, but Mike Johnson gets a majority.</p>
<p>And then he (Mike Johnson?) says, you know what I want? I want a roll call vote so that those 43 would have to announce themselves as being for a candidate who wasn’t even running instead of a unifying force like Mike Johnson. And when we called for the roll call. Do you know how many people voted for Kevin McCarthy? Zero!
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704837</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 04:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to our host and several commenters, the spoiler of House unity is Matt Gaetz. Likewise, the media faithfully echoed that message. So, how were the tables turned? 


Yesterday morning, before the vote for Speaker, Matt Gaetz explains that the most divisive force remaining…these last weeks was…Kevin McCarthy.

He tells a dramatic and compelling account to Steve Bannon of how the Republican House finally unites, at last, over Mike Johnson.

Gaetz explains that the K-Street lobbyists are now wailing and gnashing their teeth, as McCarthy “the swamp creature” repeatedly showed his true colours and the R House conference abandoned him because he was bent on manipulative schemes to defeat all rivals and to mount a come p-back as Speaker of the House.

McCarthy’s schemes failed and he was resoundingly rejected, as the MAGA-influenced Representatives carried out their duties.

If journalism is the first draft of history, then Matt Gaetz is the real honest deal. Give his interview a listen! American Greatness feature a cut-to-the chase news story headline, “McCarthy Tried to Sabotage Vote For New House Speaker Mike Johnson.”

VIDEO at the Gateway Pundit, with a fuller transcription of Gaetz story.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/must-see-matt-gaetz-gives-dirty-details-behind/

Or VIDEO at American Greatness with significantly less text:
https://amgreatness.com/2023/10/25/gaetz-mccarthy-tried-to-sabotage-vote-for-new-house-speaker-mike-johnson/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to our host and several commenters, the spoiler of House unity is Matt Gaetz. Likewise, the media faithfully echoed that message. So, how were the tables turned? </p>
<p>Yesterday morning, before the vote for Speaker, Matt Gaetz explains that the most divisive force remaining…these last weeks was…Kevin McCarthy.</p>
<p>He tells a dramatic and compelling account to Steve Bannon of how the Republican House finally unites, at last, over Mike Johnson.</p>
<p>Gaetz explains that the K-Street lobbyists are now wailing and gnashing their teeth, as McCarthy “the swamp creature” repeatedly showed his true colours and the R House conference abandoned him because he was bent on manipulative schemes to defeat all rivals and to mount a come p-back as Speaker of the House.</p>
<p>McCarthy’s schemes failed and he was resoundingly rejected, as the MAGA-influenced Representatives carried out their duties.</p>
<p>If journalism is the first draft of history, then Matt Gaetz is the real honest deal. Give his interview a listen! American Greatness feature a cut-to-the chase news story headline, “McCarthy Tried to Sabotage Vote For New House Speaker Mike Johnson.”</p>
<p>VIDEO at the Gateway Pundit, with a fuller transcription of Gaetz story.<br />
<a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/must-see-matt-gaetz-gives-dirty-details-behind/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/must-see-matt-gaetz-gives-dirty-details-behind/</a></p>
<p>Or VIDEO at American Greatness with significantly less text:<br />
<a href="https://amgreatness.com/2023/10/25/gaetz-mccarthy-tried-to-sabotage-vote-for-new-house-speaker-mike-johnson/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2023/10/25/gaetz-mccarthy-tried-to-sabotage-vote-for-new-house-speaker-mike-johnson/</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704829</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 03:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH &#062; &#039;The Left, once again, get hoisted on their own petards.&quot;

The best line from the post on Penn State is at the end, winning narrowly among many fine contenders. (the long excerpt is for context)
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is not clear whether the faculty senate will apply its stentorian defense of free speech to Wax, who spent the past year feuding with the body over what she says is a rigged adjudication process. And Magill, Penn&#039;s embattled president, has in recent days taken a more muddled line on free expression, writing that &quot;hateful speech has no place at Penn.&quot; That statement, which came after the donor revolt began, seemed designed to stem the bleeding from the university&#039;s coffers and quell calls for her resignation.

But while some donors have attacked Penn&#039;s decision to host September&#039;s Palestine Writes festival, most have not called for anti-Semitic speakers to be canceled. The problem, they say, is that the school failed to condemn those speakers until it was pressured to do so, using free speech as an excuse for equivocation.

&quot;The Administration has shown no leadership, moral courage or an ability to distinguish between what is clearly right and clearly wrong,&quot; Jonathon Jacobson, who founded the investment firm Highsage Ventures, told Magill in an email. &quot;Hiding behind free speech, which I am a huge advocate of, as an excuse for your fecklessness is laughable.&quot;

Without referring to Wax by name, other donors have attacked the double standard her case seems to illustrate.

&quot;I&#039;m 100% for free speech,&quot; Asness told Penn in a letter, &quot;but not asymmetrical free speech where some have it and some don&#039;t. Imagine Penn&#039;s action if that event was as anti-anyone else other than Jews!? &lt;b&gt;Hiding behind &#039;free speech&#039; when it is a right only embraced for antisemites and other fellow travelers is not ok.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH &gt; &#8216;The Left, once again, get hoisted on their own petards.&#8221;</p>
<p>The best line from the post on Penn State is at the end, winning narrowly among many fine contenders. (the long excerpt is for context)</p>
<blockquote><p>It is not clear whether the faculty senate will apply its stentorian defense of free speech to Wax, who spent the past year feuding with the body over what she says is a rigged adjudication process. And Magill, Penn&#8217;s embattled president, has in recent days taken a more muddled line on free expression, writing that &#8220;hateful speech has no place at Penn.&#8221; That statement, which came after the donor revolt began, seemed designed to stem the bleeding from the university&#8217;s coffers and quell calls for her resignation.</p>
<p>But while some donors have attacked Penn&#8217;s decision to host September&#8217;s Palestine Writes festival, most have not called for anti-Semitic speakers to be canceled. The problem, they say, is that the school failed to condemn those speakers until it was pressured to do so, using free speech as an excuse for equivocation.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Administration has shown no leadership, moral courage or an ability to distinguish between what is clearly right and clearly wrong,&#8221; Jonathon Jacobson, who founded the investment firm Highsage Ventures, told Magill in an email. &#8220;Hiding behind free speech, which I am a huge advocate of, as an excuse for your fecklessness is laughable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Without referring to Wax by name, other donors have attacked the double standard her case seems to illustrate.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m 100% for free speech,&#8221; Asness told Penn in a letter, &#8220;but not asymmetrical free speech where some have it and some don&#8217;t. Imagine Penn&#8217;s action if that event was as anti-anyone else other than Jews!? <b>Hiding behind &#8216;free speech&#8217; when it is a right only embraced for antisemites and other fellow travelers is not ok.&#8221;</b>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704818</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just put up &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/mass-murder-in-lewiston-maine/&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on the Lewiston shooting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just put up <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/mass-murder-in-lewiston-maine/">this post</a> on the Lewiston shooting.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was impressed with the budgie&#039;s perseverance in trying to perch/walk on the tennis ball, even nudging it out from under a table to keep going. One could compare him to a bronc rider (get back on the hoss that throw&#039;d ya), but the way he just seemed to enjoy the challenge was like the riders in this article which came up in my viewing today.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/penny-farthing-race
&quot;The Quirky Victorian Invention That Inspired a Risky Race
Competitors battle it out from seven feet in the air.&quot;

The penny-farthing bike is the one with the huge front wheel and tiny back one.
Many of the racers wear Victorian-era clothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was impressed with the budgie&#8217;s perseverance in trying to perch/walk on the tennis ball, even nudging it out from under a table to keep going. One could compare him to a bronc rider (get back on the hoss that throw&#8217;d ya), but the way he just seemed to enjoy the challenge was like the riders in this article which came up in my viewing today.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/penny-farthing-race" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/penny-farthing-race</a><br />
&#8220;The Quirky Victorian Invention That Inspired a Risky Race<br />
Competitors battle it out from seven feet in the air.&#8221;</p>
<p>The penny-farthing bike is the one with the huge front wheel and tiny back one.<br />
Many of the racers wear Victorian-era clothing.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704812</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Update on post about the active shooter in Maine: death toll is now up to 22 persons:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/active-shooter-incident-reported-lewiston-maine-live-updates-rcna122249]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on post about the active shooter in Maine: death toll is now up to 22 persons:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/active-shooter-incident-reported-lewiston-maine-live-updates-rcna122249" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/active-shooter-incident-reported-lewiston-maine-live-updates-rcna122249</a></p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul in Boston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 01:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back on topic.  Long gone but not forgotten is the Parrot Jungle in Miami.  They had a huge collection of all different varieties of parrots, some of which flew free all around the grounds.  The highlight of any trip was the show where the parrots would do tricks.  One of our favorites was the huge parrot wearing roller skates, skating back and forth on a high wire to music.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on topic.  Long gone but not forgotten is the Parrot Jungle in Miami.  They had a huge collection of all different varieties of parrots, some of which flew free all around the grounds.  The highlight of any trip was the show where the parrots would do tricks.  One of our favorites was the huge parrot wearing roller skates, skating back and forth on a high wire to music.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PA+Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 01:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry to post news about an active shooter here, but it doesn&#039;t fit in any other thread: CNN is reporting that 16 people &quot;are dead in multiple shootings in Lewiston, Maine, Wednesday night, according to multiple law enforcement sources. Fifty to 60 people are injured in the incidents, though it’s unclear how many are injured due to gunfire, the sources told CNN. A suspect remains at large, the Androscoggin County Sheriff’s Office said in a post on Facebook.&quot; 

The alleged perp looks like a middle-aged white male, as nearly as I can tell from the photo on the transcript: 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/lewiston-maine-shooting

Any of you know more about this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to post news about an active shooter here, but it doesn&#8217;t fit in any other thread: CNN is reporting that 16 people &#8220;are dead in multiple shootings in Lewiston, Maine, Wednesday night, according to multiple law enforcement sources. Fifty to 60 people are injured in the incidents, though it’s unclear how many are injured due to gunfire, the sources told CNN. A suspect remains at large, the Androscoggin County Sheriff’s Office said in a post on Facebook.&#8221; </p>
<p>The alleged perp looks like a middle-aged white male, as nearly as I can tell from the photo on the transcript: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/lewiston-maine-shooting" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/lewiston-maine-shooting</a></p>
<p>Any of you know more about this?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704795</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2023 00:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Q: Hey, you know what ALWAYS succeeds?&lt;/i&gt;

OBloodyHell:

Ho-ho-ho!

Here&#039;s one from &quot;The Book of Lies&quot; by occultist Aleister Crowley:
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;THE WAY TO SUCCEED -- AND THE WAY TO SUCK EGGS!&lt;/b&gt;

This is the Holy Hexagram.

Plunge from the height, O God, and interlock with Man!

Plunge from the height, O Man, and interlock with Beast!

The Red Triangle is the descending tongue of grace; the Blue Triangle is the ascending tongue of prayer.

This Interchange, the Double Gift of Tongues, the Word of Double Power -- ABRAHADABRA! -- is the sign of the GREAT WORK, for the GREAT WORK is accomplished in Silence. And behold, is not that Word equal to Cheth, that is Cancer, whose Sigil is 69?

This Work also eats up itself, accomplishes its own end, nourishes the worker, leaves no seed, is perfect in itself.

Little children, love one another!

--Alesiter Crowley, &quot;The Book of Lies, Chapter 69&quot;
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lies/72.htm&lt;/i&gt;
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Note the chapter number.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Little children, love one another!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Q: Hey, you know what ALWAYS succeeds?</i></p>
<p>OBloodyHell:</p>
<p>Ho-ho-ho!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one from &#8220;The Book of Lies&#8221; by occultist Aleister Crowley:<br />
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<p><i><b>THE WAY TO SUCCEED &#8212; AND THE WAY TO SUCK EGGS!</b></p>
<p>This is the Holy Hexagram.</p>
<p>Plunge from the height, O God, and interlock with Man!</p>
<p>Plunge from the height, O Man, and interlock with Beast!</p>
<p>The Red Triangle is the descending tongue of grace; the Blue Triangle is the ascending tongue of prayer.</p>
<p>This Interchange, the Double Gift of Tongues, the Word of Double Power &#8212; ABRAHADABRA! &#8212; is the sign of the GREAT WORK, for the GREAT WORK is accomplished in Silence. And behold, is not that Word equal to Cheth, that is Cancer, whose Sigil is 69?</p>
<p>This Work also eats up itself, accomplishes its own end, nourishes the worker, leaves no seed, is perfect in itself.</p>
<p>Little children, love one another!</p>
<p>&#8211;Alesiter Crowley, &#8220;The Book of Lies, Chapter 69&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lies/72.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lies/72.htm</a></i><br />
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<p>Note the chapter number.</p>
<p><i><b>Little children, love one another!</b></i></p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/25/open-thread-10-25-23/#comment-2704779</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And, in lighter news, The Left, once again, get hoisted on their own petards.

&lt;b&gt;How Penn&#039;s Anti-Semitism Controversy Could Make It Harder To Fire a Controversial Professor&lt;/b&gt;
https://freebeacon.com/campus/how-penns-anti-semitism-controversy-could-make-it-harder-to-fire-a-controversial-professor/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, in lighter news, The Left, once again, get hoisted on their own petards.</p>
<p><b>How Penn&#8217;s Anti-Semitism Controversy Could Make It Harder To Fire a Controversial Professor</b><br />
<a href="https://freebeacon.com/campus/how-penns-anti-semitism-controversy-could-make-it-harder-to-fire-a-controversial-professor/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://freebeacon.com/campus/how-penns-anti-semitism-controversy-could-make-it-harder-to-fire-a-controversial-professor/</a></p>
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