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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer), thanks for the advice. 

Since the summer of 2020 when the Antifa violence got within three miles of my community, I&#039;ve had plenty of defense and security measures in place.  We have an excellent police force that is minutes away from where I live. 

I&#039;ve done what I can. But I have to live my life. Que sera, sera.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve (retired/recovering lawyer), thanks for the advice. </p>
<p>Since the summer of 2020 when the Antifa violence got within three miles of my community, I&#8217;ve had plenty of defense and security measures in place.  We have an excellent police force that is minutes away from where I live. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done what I can. But I have to live my life. Que sera, sera.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704685</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Count me in with Geoffrey Britain et al. 

If Islam could have reformed, by now it would have reformed. Islam hasn&#039;t reformed, because it can&#039;t be reformed.

Islam is a supremacist, literalist religion committed by Allah to subjugating the world to Islamic rule by any means necessary, including violence.

However, individual Muslims may find understandable human ways to ignore, cope with and moderate Islam&#039;s sharp edges.

But they won&#039;t make a difference to Islam and they had better have their bodyguards lined up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in with Geoffrey Britain et al. </p>
<p>If Islam could have reformed, by now it would have reformed. Islam hasn&#8217;t reformed, because it can&#8217;t be reformed.</p>
<p>Islam is a supremacist, literalist religion committed by Allah to subjugating the world to Islamic rule by any means necessary, including violence.</p>
<p>However, individual Muslims may find understandable human ways to ignore, cope with and moderate Islam&#8217;s sharp edges.</p>
<p>But they won&#8217;t make a difference to Islam and they had better have their bodyguards lined up.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704628</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem comes when Muslims from the 75% or so who are not radicals get sucked into the fundamentals of the faith. This can happen even in families with a very modern outlook, because the traditional teachings are there, and if they read them and accept them, they can turn violent. A fundamentalist Muslim believes the violent commandments are God&#039;s will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem comes when Muslims from the 75% or so who are not radicals get sucked into the fundamentals of the faith. This can happen even in families with a very modern outlook, because the traditional teachings are there, and if they read them and accept them, they can turn violent. A fundamentalist Muslim believes the violent commandments are God&#8217;s will.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A danger sign of whether Muslims are radicals is whether their women wear face veils. In the US, even the hijab (head covering) can be a sign of a trend towards stricter Islam.

I had a group of female Muslim friends in Cairo. Most of them did not wear the hijab, and said their mothers, in the early twentieth century, had fought against it. My Muslim friends would cross the street to avoid passing a woman wearing the full black abaya and face veil, saying that one can&#039;t even tell if that&#039;s a woman under there, and it might be a criminal.

These women and their husbands were culturally Muslim, not close followers of the Qur&#039;an. What Whitehall describes in the UAE sounds similar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A danger sign of whether Muslims are radicals is whether their women wear face veils. In the US, even the hijab (head covering) can be a sign of a trend towards stricter Islam.</p>
<p>I had a group of female Muslim friends in Cairo. Most of them did not wear the hijab, and said their mothers, in the early twentieth century, had fought against it. My Muslim friends would cross the street to avoid passing a woman wearing the full black abaya and face veil, saying that one can&#8217;t even tell if that&#8217;s a woman under there, and it might be a criminal.</p>
<p>These women and their husbands were culturally Muslim, not close followers of the Qur&#8217;an. What Whitehall describes in the UAE sounds similar.</p>
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		By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704618</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear JJ:
You have my sympathy for your unfortunate proximity to a family of moslems.  My advice is to never, ever relax your vigilence, especially as their children become adolescents.  The second generation of moslem immigrants are frequently the most easily radicalized.  Were I you, I would be looking for another place to dwell and in the meanwhile, I would make certain that appropriate means of defense of self, family and propery are close at hand at all times.  To paraphrase Reagan, &quot;Trust but learn to shoot.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear JJ:<br />
You have my sympathy for your unfortunate proximity to a family of moslems.  My advice is to never, ever relax your vigilence, especially as their children become adolescents.  The second generation of moslem immigrants are frequently the most easily radicalized.  Were I you, I would be looking for another place to dwell and in the meanwhile, I would make certain that appropriate means of defense of self, family and propery are close at hand at all times.  To paraphrase Reagan, &#8220;Trust but learn to shoot.&#8221;</p>
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		By: A_Nonny-Mouse		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704613</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A_Nonny-Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain&#039;s comment above is excellent.  How dare some mere human declare that &quot;The Literal, Eternal, Perfect Word Of God Himself&quot; (the Koran) is wrong?  Not going to happen.  

Please note: That thing about Islam meaning &quot;submission&quot; (to the will of God).  A good Muslim doesn&#039;t question or judge the rules of his religion.  Allah has a perfect plan for humanity, and Believers are called to bring his plan into being here on earth.  They will do the will of God, BECAUSE it is the will of God.  (Even if non-believers consider their actions repugnant - We&#039;re not of the Islamic &quot;Borg&quot; and so we don&#039;t count.)

Another good article for understanding Islam and why it can&#039;t be changed is at 
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain&#8217;s comment above is excellent.  How dare some mere human declare that &#8220;The Literal, Eternal, Perfect Word Of God Himself&#8221; (the Koran) is wrong?  Not going to happen.  </p>
<p>Please note: That thing about Islam meaning &#8220;submission&#8221; (to the will of God).  A good Muslim doesn&#8217;t question or judge the rules of his religion.  Allah has a perfect plan for humanity, and Believers are called to bring his plan into being here on earth.  They will do the will of God, BECAUSE it is the will of God.  (Even if non-believers consider their actions repugnant &#8211; We&#8217;re not of the Islamic &#8220;Borg&#8221; and so we don&#8217;t count.)</p>
<p>Another good article for understanding Islam and why it can&#8217;t be changed is at<br />
<a href="http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704605</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:
&quot;After The Horror, Resolve&quot;---
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/10/24/after-the-horror-resolve/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:<br />
&#8220;After The Horror, Resolve&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/10/24/after-the-horror-resolve/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/10/24/after-the-horror-resolve/</a></p>
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		By: Whitehall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whitehall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lived in the UAE for almost a decade. The Emiratis I work with all seemed moderate and tolerate and very hospitable.  I see no hostility here 

Their government sees great advantages in working with the West and turns its security apparatus against radicals.

So there is a moderate Islamic society and government out there. Of course that could change quickly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in the UAE for almost a decade. The Emiratis I work with all seemed moderate and tolerate and very hospitable.  I see no hostility here </p>
<p>Their government sees great advantages in working with the West and turns its security apparatus against radicals.</p>
<p>So there is a moderate Islamic society and government out there. Of course that could change quickly.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/24/a-muslim-speaking-out/#comment-2704598</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 05:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think these actions speak louder than her words, unfortunately.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/just-as-cruel-as-the-terrorists-many-ordinary-palestinians-joined-in-hamass-atrocities-against-israel/
&lt;blockquote&gt;Andrew Tobin
October 24, 2023
TEL AVIV—As Hamas terrorists carried out a highly choreographed massacre in Israel on Oct. 7, they received a source of support that amplified the horror that took place that day. A mob of ordinary Palestinians spontaneously joined in what became the deadliest pogrom against Jews since the Holocaust, according to videos, eyewitness accounts, and the Israel Defense Forces.

Whereas the Hamas terrorists wore uniforms and carried military-grade weapons, the Gazans who followed them into the Jewish state were dressed as civilians and mostly unarmed, two officials from Israel&#039;s devastated Gaza border region said. Young men with knives, overweight dads, and at least one elderly man on crutches were among those who exploited Hamas&#039;s rampage to create a second wave of carnage that rivaled the barbarism of the professional terrorists.
...
The extent to which the Gazan public took part in Hamas&#039;s campaign of terror has yet to be fully understood even in Israel. But for the communities near Israel&#039;s Gaza border—home to many of the country&#039;s remaining peaceniks—firsthand knowledge of what their Palestinian neighbors did has already hardened into a new consensus: Coexistence is dead, and Gaza must be crushed.
...
Daniel Meir, Nirim&#039;s security chief, told the Free Beacon that dozens of ordinary Gazans attacked his kibbutz on Oct. 7 along with about 50 Hamas terrorists. During an hours-long gunfight with the invaders, he climbed to the top of a grain tower, where he was able to survey the battlefield.

Meir, echoing Yarkoni, said the differences between the Hamas terrorists and the other Gazans were easy to see: The Hamas terrorists wore green camouflage or black uniforms and were armed with automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, and hand grenades. The ordinary Gazans wore everyday clothing and came unarmed or carrying only knives, although some appeared to have taken firearms from fallen Israelis or Hamas terrorists.

There was &quot;complete cooperation&quot; between the two groups, Meir said, with Hamas doing most of the fighting and the ordinary Gazans focused on looting and kidnapping.
...
Even though Nirim suffered less than some of its neighbors, Meir said the attack—and particularly the role of ordinary Gazans—shattered his community&#039;s faith in coexistence. Many of the kibbutzniks were longtime peace activists, and there was widespread support among them for a program that allowed thousands of Gazans to work in Israel.

Now, the IDF has reportedly detained a few thousand Gazan guest workers and is investigating whether they helped Hamas plan the Oct. 7 attack. Several community members received text messages from Gazan workers, according to Yarkoni, warning their former employers that they were coming to kill them.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these actions speak louder than her words, unfortunately.</p>
<p><a href="https://freebeacon.com/national-security/just-as-cruel-as-the-terrorists-many-ordinary-palestinians-joined-in-hamass-atrocities-against-israel/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://freebeacon.com/national-security/just-as-cruel-as-the-terrorists-many-ordinary-palestinians-joined-in-hamass-atrocities-against-israel/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Andrew Tobin<br />
October 24, 2023<br />
TEL AVIV—As Hamas terrorists carried out a highly choreographed massacre in Israel on Oct. 7, they received a source of support that amplified the horror that took place that day. A mob of ordinary Palestinians spontaneously joined in what became the deadliest pogrom against Jews since the Holocaust, according to videos, eyewitness accounts, and the Israel Defense Forces.</p>
<p>Whereas the Hamas terrorists wore uniforms and carried military-grade weapons, the Gazans who followed them into the Jewish state were dressed as civilians and mostly unarmed, two officials from Israel&#8217;s devastated Gaza border region said. Young men with knives, overweight dads, and at least one elderly man on crutches were among those who exploited Hamas&#8217;s rampage to create a second wave of carnage that rivaled the barbarism of the professional terrorists.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The extent to which the Gazan public took part in Hamas&#8217;s campaign of terror has yet to be fully understood even in Israel. But for the communities near Israel&#8217;s Gaza border—home to many of the country&#8217;s remaining peaceniks—firsthand knowledge of what their Palestinian neighbors did has already hardened into a new consensus: Coexistence is dead, and Gaza must be crushed.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Daniel Meir, Nirim&#8217;s security chief, told the Free Beacon that dozens of ordinary Gazans attacked his kibbutz on Oct. 7 along with about 50 Hamas terrorists. During an hours-long gunfight with the invaders, he climbed to the top of a grain tower, where he was able to survey the battlefield.</p>
<p>Meir, echoing Yarkoni, said the differences between the Hamas terrorists and the other Gazans were easy to see: The Hamas terrorists wore green camouflage or black uniforms and were armed with automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, and hand grenades. The ordinary Gazans wore everyday clothing and came unarmed or carrying only knives, although some appeared to have taken firearms from fallen Israelis or Hamas terrorists.</p>
<p>There was &#8220;complete cooperation&#8221; between the two groups, Meir said, with Hamas doing most of the fighting and the ordinary Gazans focused on looting and kidnapping.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Even though Nirim suffered less than some of its neighbors, Meir said the attack—and particularly the role of ordinary Gazans—shattered his community&#8217;s faith in coexistence. Many of the kibbutzniks were longtime peace activists, and there was widespread support among them for a program that allowed thousands of Gazans to work in Israel.</p>
<p>Now, the IDF has reportedly detained a few thousand Gazan guest workers and is investigating whether they helped Hamas plan the Oct. 7 attack. Several community members received text messages from Gazan workers, according to Yarkoni, warning their former employers that they were coming to kill them.
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		By: JFM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 04:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, it would be nice if the NEWS MEDIA would show moderates denouncing these actions with the same speed that they show Muslims celebrating them. My perception is that the few Muslims that hate terrorism wait a while, poke their heads up to see if they can come out, and then speak out. That’s from what the media decides to show me.   What I do know is that nothing Hamas did in the attack was new. When your world view is the House of Peace (Moslems) and the House of War (everyone else) it narrows your thinking. Much like Calvinists divided people into the elect and sinners. Islam is stuck in the ninth century and everyone else in the world can’t live with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it would be nice if the NEWS MEDIA would show moderates denouncing these actions with the same speed that they show Muslims celebrating them. My perception is that the few Muslims that hate terrorism wait a while, poke their heads up to see if they can come out, and then speak out. That’s from what the media decides to show me.   What I do know is that nothing Hamas did in the attack was new. When your world view is the House of Peace (Moslems) and the House of War (everyone else) it narrows your thinking. Much like Calvinists divided people into the elect and sinners. Islam is stuck in the ninth century and everyone else in the world can’t live with that.</p>
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