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		By: Kris		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704485</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Per Harry Reid: &quot;It worked, didn&#039;t it?&quot;]]></description>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704460</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Free Derek Chauvin.]]></description>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704452</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Floyd was a victim of black gang violence, it would never have made any news at all. Nobody would have cared. 
If Floyd was a black child who was killed in back gang cross-fire, nobody would have cared. 

Just another example of the leftist mind-set; it makes zero difference who gets killed or how they get killed. 
What matters is who did the killing. 
Hamas can slaughter women and children and babies; the left supports Hamas and condemns Israel. 

For the left, the ends justifies the means. You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelete. 

The left will accept any strategy, any effort, an infinite number of people to be sacrificed, as long as it promotes their agenda.
Unfortunately, the media, here and in W.Europe, is riding shotgun for the left, providing them an &quot;independent&quot; source of propaganda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Floyd was a victim of black gang violence, it would never have made any news at all. Nobody would have cared.<br />
If Floyd was a black child who was killed in back gang cross-fire, nobody would have cared. </p>
<p>Just another example of the leftist mind-set; it makes zero difference who gets killed or how they get killed.<br />
What matters is who did the killing.<br />
Hamas can slaughter women and children and babies; the left supports Hamas and condemns Israel. </p>
<p>For the left, the ends justifies the means. You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelete. </p>
<p>The left will accept any strategy, any effort, an infinite number of people to be sacrificed, as long as it promotes their agenda.<br />
Unfortunately, the media, here and in W.Europe, is riding shotgun for the left, providing them an &#8220;independent&#8221; source of propaganda.</p>
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		By: Grandpagrumble		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704437</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[None of this matters, sorry to say, because one of the primary remembrances of mine of St. George of Floyd was the numerous funerals he had, the last being a horse-drawn gilded carriage.   There is no way after those magnificent celebrations of his life that the narrative will ever change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this matters, sorry to say, because one of the primary remembrances of mine of St. George of Floyd was the numerous funerals he had, the last being a horse-drawn gilded carriage.   There is no way after those magnificent celebrations of his life that the narrative will ever change.</p>
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		By: Sailorcurt		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704427</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;FWIW, here’s a different take from one of the medical examiners in the civil trial who happens to be one of the leading medical voices in calling out and opposing covid insanity:

George Floyd Did Not Die Of a Fentanyl Overdose&quot;

I started reading that opinion with an open mind right up until I read the part where he claimed that Floyd was suffering &quot;prolonged, three officer-weight bearing prone restraint episode.&quot;

Except that&#039;s utter BS.  If he watched all the video evidence, read the autopsy reports, reviewed all the witness statements and is so devoted to accuracy and impartiality, why would he make a claim that is demonstrably false?

There were three officers involved in the incident, but one was just standing there watching the crowd, guarding against their encroachment on the scene.  One was holding Floyd&#039;s legs.

He further admitted that the fact Floyd could say &quot;I can&#039;t breathe&quot; means that...he could breathe.  You can&#039;t talk when you can&#039;t get air.  His conclusion on the cause of death was linked to his inaccurate charge that three officers where putting their weight on Floyd&#039;s upper body:

&quot;Instead, my conclusion was that Mr. Floyd died by the combined forces of three officers bearing weight on his thoracic cage (upper back, lower back, and neck/throat) against a concrete surface, rendering him unable to take in sufficient oxygen or expel sufficient carbon dioxide with each breath.&quot;

Except for the minor detail that it didn&#039;t happen.  Other than possibly for a few seconds when they were first getting Floyd out of the car, onto the ground and under control, there were never three cops putting their body weight onto Floyd&#039;s upper body.  It simply didn&#039;t happen that way.

Which means that this &quot;expert&#039;s&quot; opinion means nothing.  It&#039;s based on events that did not occur. 

I went back and watched a couple of the videos again just to make sure I wasn&#039;t remembering incorrectly.

The only one who had any weight on Floyd&#039;s upper body was Chauvin and, when you watch the video, it&#039;s clear that most of Chauvin&#039;s weight was on the leg on the ground.  The knee on the back of the neck was only used to keep Floyd under control.  In the video, you can clearly see Floyd&#039;s head and neck thrashing around and lifting up.  He was able to lift his neck high enough to completely turn his head from one side to the other.  And Chauvin was constantly applying a little more pressure when Floyd thrashed around, and then relaxing when Floyd relaxed.

Chauvin did not kill Floyd.,,he was not exerting enough pressure to restrict airflow through the trachea and his weight was not on Floyd&#039;s chest or preventing him from taking full breaths. The cop holding his legs did not kill Floyd...most people&#039;s lungs are not in their legs.  The cop standing there watching certainly did not kill Floyd unless he did it through The Force.

I&#039;m sorry, but I place no weight whatsoever on the analysis of an &quot;expert&quot; who completely misrepresents the facts of the case he&#039;s analyzing regardless of how many paragraphs he spends trying to convince us that he knows what he&#039;s talking about and is completely neutral.   BTW:  in my experience someone who spends that much time trying to convince me of something smacks of someone who who is desperate to get me to believe something he doesn&#039;t believe himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;FWIW, here’s a different take from one of the medical examiners in the civil trial who happens to be one of the leading medical voices in calling out and opposing covid insanity:</p>
<p>George Floyd Did Not Die Of a Fentanyl Overdose&#8221;</p>
<p>I started reading that opinion with an open mind right up until I read the part where he claimed that Floyd was suffering &#8220;prolonged, three officer-weight bearing prone restraint episode.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that&#8217;s utter BS.  If he watched all the video evidence, read the autopsy reports, reviewed all the witness statements and is so devoted to accuracy and impartiality, why would he make a claim that is demonstrably false?</p>
<p>There were three officers involved in the incident, but one was just standing there watching the crowd, guarding against their encroachment on the scene.  One was holding Floyd&#8217;s legs.</p>
<p>He further admitted that the fact Floyd could say &#8220;I can&#8217;t breathe&#8221; means that&#8230;he could breathe.  You can&#8217;t talk when you can&#8217;t get air.  His conclusion on the cause of death was linked to his inaccurate charge that three officers where putting their weight on Floyd&#8217;s upper body:</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead, my conclusion was that Mr. Floyd died by the combined forces of three officers bearing weight on his thoracic cage (upper back, lower back, and neck/throat) against a concrete surface, rendering him unable to take in sufficient oxygen or expel sufficient carbon dioxide with each breath.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except for the minor detail that it didn&#8217;t happen.  Other than possibly for a few seconds when they were first getting Floyd out of the car, onto the ground and under control, there were never three cops putting their body weight onto Floyd&#8217;s upper body.  It simply didn&#8217;t happen that way.</p>
<p>Which means that this &#8220;expert&#8217;s&#8221; opinion means nothing.  It&#8217;s based on events that did not occur. </p>
<p>I went back and watched a couple of the videos again just to make sure I wasn&#8217;t remembering incorrectly.</p>
<p>The only one who had any weight on Floyd&#8217;s upper body was Chauvin and, when you watch the video, it&#8217;s clear that most of Chauvin&#8217;s weight was on the leg on the ground.  The knee on the back of the neck was only used to keep Floyd under control.  In the video, you can clearly see Floyd&#8217;s head and neck thrashing around and lifting up.  He was able to lift his neck high enough to completely turn his head from one side to the other.  And Chauvin was constantly applying a little more pressure when Floyd thrashed around, and then relaxing when Floyd relaxed.</p>
<p>Chauvin did not kill Floyd.,,he was not exerting enough pressure to restrict airflow through the trachea and his weight was not on Floyd&#8217;s chest or preventing him from taking full breaths. The cop holding his legs did not kill Floyd&#8230;most people&#8217;s lungs are not in their legs.  The cop standing there watching certainly did not kill Floyd unless he did it through The Force.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I place no weight whatsoever on the analysis of an &#8220;expert&#8221; who completely misrepresents the facts of the case he&#8217;s analyzing regardless of how many paragraphs he spends trying to convince us that he knows what he&#8217;s talking about and is completely neutral.   BTW:  in my experience someone who spends that much time trying to convince me of something smacks of someone who who is desperate to get me to believe something he doesn&#8217;t believe himself.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ BigD in re “Paltering”. IE Lying with facts.

I have often, in the past, noted about some news reports (generally the NYT and WaPo) that every word in the post is true, but the story as a whole is false -- because of their selection of facts and the structure of the narrative.

Now, most of the leftist media has given up on printing even slanted truth, and gone straight to almost totally lying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ BigD in re “Paltering”. IE Lying with facts.</p>
<p>I have often, in the past, noted about some news reports (generally the NYT and WaPo) that every word in the post is true, but the story as a whole is false &#8212; because of their selection of facts and the structure of the narrative.</p>
<p>Now, most of the leftist media has given up on printing even slanted truth, and gone straight to almost totally lying.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/23/george-floyd-redux/#comment-2704416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a similar trial going on in Tacoma, WA right now. Three officers are charged with murder/manslaughter of a black man, Manny Ellis.

The incident took place three years ago.  The city of Tacoma has already given his family $4 million. Official admission of gait before a trial was ever held. Sad.

Ellis had a heart condition and was high on drugs. He was much more violent in resisting arrest than Floyd was. The officers tazed him and put a &quot;spit bag&quot; over his head. (To prevent Covid infection - it was the summer of 2020.)   Witnesses heard Ellis complain that he couldn&#039;t breathe. He died at the scene. 

The top medical examiner says he died from manual asphyxiation, but the defense is contesting that strongly.  They are pushing for the observation that Manny&#039;s diseased heart failed due to his violent exertions against the police.

The media are anti-police here, so the trial coverage is loaded toward convicting the police.  Another sad case where some innocent cops will probably serve time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a similar trial going on in Tacoma, WA right now. Three officers are charged with murder/manslaughter of a black man, Manny Ellis.</p>
<p>The incident took place three years ago.  The city of Tacoma has already given his family $4 million. Official admission of gait before a trial was ever held. Sad.</p>
<p>Ellis had a heart condition and was high on drugs. He was much more violent in resisting arrest than Floyd was. The officers tazed him and put a &#8220;spit bag&#8221; over his head. (To prevent Covid infection &#8211; it was the summer of 2020.)   Witnesses heard Ellis complain that he couldn&#8217;t breathe. He died at the scene. </p>
<p>The top medical examiner says he died from manual asphyxiation, but the defense is contesting that strongly.  They are pushing for the observation that Manny&#8217;s diseased heart failed due to his violent exertions against the police.</p>
<p>The media are anti-police here, so the trial coverage is loaded toward convicting the police.  Another sad case where some innocent cops will probably serve time.</p>
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		By: LordAzrael		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 03:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given the allegations that the ME report was subject to political influence, I don&#039;t think anyone involved is going to have any credibility in defending the report. I certainly would give zero weight to an ME who is accused of caving to political pressure. Do we really think after fudging a report he&#039;s now going to admit it ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the allegations that the ME report was subject to political influence, I don&#8217;t think anyone involved is going to have any credibility in defending the report. I certainly would give zero weight to an ME who is accused of caving to political pressure. Do we really think after fudging a report he&#8217;s now going to admit it ?</p>
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		By: Bill K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Neo: Proverbs 22:6, &quot;Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he grows older he will not abandon it.&quot;

You are truly an exception, to go from left to right politically, and I take it, in your later years.

I teach Physician Assistant students at a university and am 69 years old. Whenever anything borders on their worldview, whether religion, politics, or economics, they are already highly resistant to change. I&#039;ve concluded that the median age of &#039;epistemic closure&#039; is around 21. My PA students range from 22 - 30.

And it seems the older we get, most all of us get even more fixed in our views. Thus in my view, you&#039;re on solid ground to say, &quot;However, I don’t think there’s anything on earth at this point that would change the general public opinion that Floyd was murdered and that Chauvin was the perp.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neo: Proverbs 22:6, &#8220;Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he grows older he will not abandon it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are truly an exception, to go from left to right politically, and I take it, in your later years.</p>
<p>I teach Physician Assistant students at a university and am 69 years old. Whenever anything borders on their worldview, whether religion, politics, or economics, they are already highly resistant to change. I&#8217;ve concluded that the median age of &#8216;epistemic closure&#8217; is around 21. My PA students range from 22 &#8211; 30.</p>
<p>And it seems the older we get, most all of us get even more fixed in our views. Thus in my view, you&#8217;re on solid ground to say, &#8220;However, I don’t think there’s anything on earth at this point that would change the general public opinion that Floyd was murdered and that Chauvin was the perp.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo,

Your reporting on the event, shortly after it happened all the way through Chauvin&#039;s trial and conviction was excellent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,</p>
<p>Your reporting on the event, shortly after it happened all the way through Chauvin&#8217;s trial and conviction was excellent.</p>
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