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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2704253</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[High time for another Sharknado!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High time for another Sharknado!</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2704039</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2023 10:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting theory....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHE7oBvOk9U]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting theory&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHE7oBvOk9U" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHE7oBvOk9U</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2704014</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2023 02:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For choir fans here ... and the odd Francophone ... here&#039;s Jean-Jacques Goldman&#039;s magnificent  canon-style pop song:

&lt;i&gt;Jean-Jacques Goldman , &quot;Ensemble -- Together&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IINTMOQEhhM&lt;/i&gt;

Wait for the shift into grand chorale-style @ 2:50. It sounds like they got the guy who arranged the Four Seasons songs.

Goldman started as a big hair 80s rock star. He changed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For choir fans here &#8230; and the odd Francophone &#8230; here&#8217;s Jean-Jacques Goldman&#8217;s magnificent  canon-style pop song:</p>
<p><i>Jean-Jacques Goldman , &#8220;Ensemble &#8212; Together&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IINTMOQEhhM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IINTMOQEhhM</a></i></p>
<p>Wait for the shift into grand chorale-style @ 2:50. It sounds like they got the guy who arranged the Four Seasons songs.</p>
<p>Goldman started as a big hair 80s rock star. He changed.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2704013</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2023 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs--Here is an article about the recent statements by Dr. James Lacatski, who ran the AAWSAP UFO investigation program for the Defense Intelligence Agency, and who has been allowed to say (his statements cleared, as were Davied Grusch&#039; statements, by the DOD&#039;s Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review) that the U.S. has at least one UFO in it&#039;s possession, and that researchers have been able to penetrate into the inside of this craft.*

See  https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/former-head-of-us-government-ufo-program-confirms-government-possesses-advanced-craft-of-unknown-origin]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs&#8211;Here is an article about the recent statements by Dr. James Lacatski, who ran the AAWSAP UFO investigation program for the Defense Intelligence Agency, and who has been allowed to say (his statements cleared, as were Davied Grusch&#8217; statements, by the DOD&#8217;s Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review) that the U.S. has at least one UFO in it&#8217;s possession, and that researchers have been able to penetrate into the inside of this craft.*</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/former-head-of-us-government-ufo-program-confirms-government-possesses-advanced-craft-of-unknown-origin" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/former-head-of-us-government-ufo-program-confirms-government-possesses-advanced-craft-of-unknown-origin</a></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2704004</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  Embracing the “Woo” of UFOs

I&#039;m thinking that the rumored difficulty our scientists (the very few of them who can get security clearances high enough to work with Alien crash materials, and who are willing to do so—no publishing, after all, and that will hurt their academic careers) are having with understanding and reverse engineering crashed UFOs, the problem with our military and civilian researchers and officials grappling with the UFO phenomenon, is because they are very likely, and perhaps almost to a man, materialists--they believe in what they can see and touch, and the high strangeness of the UFO phenomenon, the “Woo” of it, is just a bridge too far for them.

Admitting that the scientific method may not be the method they need to use to understand these phenomenon is probably a bitter pill for them, and one they don&#039;t want to swallow.

I&#039;m guessing that they are comfortable living and working in our current consensus Reality, and are having a very difficult time stepping across it&#039;s boundary walls, and into the unknown, and an &quot;ontological shock&quot; which will likely destroy all of the certainties, and their idea of their place in the Universe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Embracing the “Woo” of UFOs</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that the rumored difficulty our scientists (the very few of them who can get security clearances high enough to work with Alien crash materials, and who are willing to do so—no publishing, after all, and that will hurt their academic careers) are having with understanding and reverse engineering crashed UFOs, the problem with our military and civilian researchers and officials grappling with the UFO phenomenon, is because they are very likely, and perhaps almost to a man, materialists&#8211;they believe in what they can see and touch, and the high strangeness of the UFO phenomenon, the “Woo” of it, is just a bridge too far for them.</p>
<p>Admitting that the scientific method may not be the method they need to use to understand these phenomenon is probably a bitter pill for them, and one they don&#8217;t want to swallow.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that they are comfortable living and working in our current consensus Reality, and are having a very difficult time stepping across it&#8217;s boundary walls, and into the unknown, and an &#8220;ontological shock&#8221; which will likely destroy all of the certainties, and their idea of their place in the Universe.</p>
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		By: The TJ from		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The TJ from]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Argentina, it was the last day for Javier Milei’s Advance Liberty Forward campaign for the Presidency election on Sunday. And at a Buenos Aires stadium rally, apparently one free market economist advising Milei called for breaking diplomatic ties with the Vatican because the Pope from Argentina is a Commie!

This unvetted comment caused an uproar with the Archbishop of BA.

Here are the details:

The Archbishop of Buenos Aires Jorge Ignacio García Cuerva said today that he was &quot;embarrassed and surprised&quot; with the proposal to cut diplomatic relations with the Vatican, while the Argentine Jorge Bergoglio is the Pope, he expressed yesterday during the closing of the La Libertad Avanza campaign.

&quot;I heard it and I was shocked, surprised, at a time when we are trying to ask for a united Argentina,&quot; said the Buenos Aires archbishop this morning in statements to radio Perfil.

Within the framework of the closing of the campaign that the LLA presidential candidate, Javier Milei, held last night at the Movistar Arena stadium in the Buenos Aires neighborhood of Villa Crespo, economist Alberto Benegas Lynch asked to &quot;cut relations with the Vatican.&quot;

Alberto Benegas Lynch, liberal economist and Advisor for Javier Milei

&quot;Out of consideration and respect for my Catholic religion, I believe that we should imitate what President Roca did and suspend diplomatic relations with the Vatican while the totalitarian spirit prevails there,&quot; said Benegas Lynch, who is described by Milei as &quot;a hero of the liberalism&quot;.

Furthermore, the liberal economist clarified that &quot;I fully assume responsibility&quot; in reference to his statements and stressed that he does not want the proposed initiative to compromise Javier Milei&#039;s position.

https://cathcon.blogspot.com/2023/10/argentinian-proposal-to-cut-ties-with.html?utm_source=pocket_saves

I say “Death To The Commie Pope!” But in the meantime, this is second best, with Argentina rejecting the Argentine Pope for cause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Argentina, it was the last day for Javier Milei’s Advance Liberty Forward campaign for the Presidency election on Sunday. And at a Buenos Aires stadium rally, apparently one free market economist advising Milei called for breaking diplomatic ties with the Vatican because the Pope from Argentina is a Commie!</p>
<p>This unvetted comment caused an uproar with the Archbishop of BA.</p>
<p>Here are the details:</p>
<p>The Archbishop of Buenos Aires Jorge Ignacio García Cuerva said today that he was &#8220;embarrassed and surprised&#8221; with the proposal to cut diplomatic relations with the Vatican, while the Argentine Jorge Bergoglio is the Pope, he expressed yesterday during the closing of the La Libertad Avanza campaign.</p>
<p>&#8220;I heard it and I was shocked, surprised, at a time when we are trying to ask for a united Argentina,&#8221; said the Buenos Aires archbishop this morning in statements to radio Perfil.</p>
<p>Within the framework of the closing of the campaign that the LLA presidential candidate, Javier Milei, held last night at the Movistar Arena stadium in the Buenos Aires neighborhood of Villa Crespo, economist Alberto Benegas Lynch asked to &#8220;cut relations with the Vatican.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alberto Benegas Lynch, liberal economist and Advisor for Javier Milei</p>
<p>&#8220;Out of consideration and respect for my Catholic religion, I believe that we should imitate what President Roca did and suspend diplomatic relations with the Vatican while the totalitarian spirit prevails there,&#8221; said Benegas Lynch, who is described by Milei as &#8220;a hero of the liberalism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the liberal economist clarified that &#8220;I fully assume responsibility&#8221; in reference to his statements and stressed that he does not want the proposed initiative to compromise Javier Milei&#8217;s position.</p>
<p><a href="https://cathcon.blogspot.com/2023/10/argentinian-proposal-to-cut-ties-with.html?utm_source=pocket_saves" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cathcon.blogspot.com/2023/10/argentinian-proposal-to-cut-ties-with.html?utm_source=pocket_saves</a></p>
<p>I say “Death To The Commie Pope!” But in the meantime, this is second best, with Argentina rejecting the Argentine Pope for cause.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/20/open-thread-10-20-23/#comment-2703972</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Shirehome &#062; &quot;Colorado is about to make more people buy EV’s&quot;

Good thing our kids are buying their next used car this year.
I suspect that by 2027, and certainly by 2032, the reality of how bad a deal EVs are will be impinging on the electorate.
Whether they can have any influence on the government is always iffy, but I don&#039;t count Colorado as a totally lost cause yet.

https://notthebee.com/article/a-huge-percentage-of-electric-vehicle-owners-are-defecting-and-going-back-to-internal-combustion-cars

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16da5d09ef0d1a66afebe8ce6c4092320a9fb1c15d815cf1f3c71516a6807cf8.jpg

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/30/largest-ev-charging-station-in-the-world-uses-diesel-powered-generators/

https://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Electric-vehicle-01.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shirehome &gt; &#8220;Colorado is about to make more people buy EV’s&#8221;</p>
<p>Good thing our kids are buying their next used car this year.<br />
I suspect that by 2027, and certainly by 2032, the reality of how bad a deal EVs are will be impinging on the electorate.<br />
Whether they can have any influence on the government is always iffy, but I don&#8217;t count Colorado as a totally lost cause yet.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/a-huge-percentage-of-electric-vehicle-owners-are-defecting-and-going-back-to-internal-combustion-cars" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/a-huge-percentage-of-electric-vehicle-owners-are-defecting-and-going-back-to-internal-combustion-cars</a></p>
<p><a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16da5d09ef0d1a66afebe8ce6c4092320a9fb1c15d815cf1f3c71516a6807cf8.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16da5d09ef0d1a66afebe8ce6c4092320a9fb1c15d815cf1f3c71516a6807cf8.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/30/largest-ev-charging-station-in-the-world-uses-diesel-powered-generators/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/30/largest-ev-charging-station-in-the-world-uses-diesel-powered-generators/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Electric-vehicle-01.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Electric-vehicle-01.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan, I subscribed to his Racket News because of his work on the Twitter Files, and because I value an honest liberal. There aren&#039;t a lot of them left, and he calls it as he sees it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan, I subscribed to his Racket News because of his work on the Twitter Files, and because I value an honest liberal. There aren&#8217;t a lot of them left, and he calls it as he sees it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Kate - I&#039;ve been getting Matt Taibbi&#039;s &quot;free&quot; Substack updates for awhile, but his publishing this declaration (he also helped write it) finally got me to upgrade to a paid subscription.
Substack&#039;s collection of Democrats who are leaving the echo chamber is quite impressive. They will likely never vote Republican, but at least they aren&#039;t supporting the (dare I say it?) Un-American Activities of the Left.

(As we now know, Joe McCarthy was more right than wrong.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kate &#8211; I&#8217;ve been getting Matt Taibbi&#8217;s &#8220;free&#8221; Substack updates for awhile, but his publishing this declaration (he also helped write it) finally got me to upgrade to a paid subscription.<br />
Substack&#8217;s collection of Democrats who are leaving the echo chamber is quite impressive. They will likely never vote Republican, but at least they aren&#8217;t supporting the (dare I say it?) Un-American Activities of the Left.</p>
<p>(As we now know, Joe McCarthy was more right than wrong.)</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Westminster Declaration for free speech, with an international and politically varied list of signatures:

https://westminsterdeclaration.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Westminster Declaration for free speech, with an international and politically varied list of signatures:</p>
<p><a href="https://westminsterdeclaration.org" rel="nofollow ugc">https://westminsterdeclaration.org</a></p>
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