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		By: Jay Solo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Solo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When my strong-willed oldest was in the womb, she would play with me by bonking wherever I placed my hand. She was Daddy&#039;s girl before she ever came out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my strong-willed oldest was in the womb, she would play with me by bonking wherever I placed my hand. She was Daddy&#8217;s girl before she ever came out.</p>
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		By: that guy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703687</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 13:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A)  &quot;I’m not the least surprised.&quot;

• 100% agree.

B)  &quot;We know that seeing is much more immature in babies than hearing, for example. Furthermore, this work suggests that, at any point in time, infants are aware of fewer items than adults, and can take longer to grasp what&#039;s in front of them, but they can easily process more diverse information, such as sounds from other languages, than their older selves.&quot;

• This also does not surprise me.

C)  And it will not surprise me if science discovers that the timeline for the development of those attributes - and others - occurs earlier &#038; earlier in the pregnancy.

• There is still so much more to learn, and science - discovery - will continue to influence what people think about Abortion.

• Which is why in the future people will probably talk about Abortion in the same way that they talk about Slavery today: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.


Thank you for sharing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A)  &#8220;I’m not the least surprised.&#8221;</p>
<p>• 100% agree.</p>
<p>B)  &#8220;We know that seeing is much more immature in babies than hearing, for example. Furthermore, this work suggests that, at any point in time, infants are aware of fewer items than adults, and can take longer to grasp what&#8217;s in front of them, but they can easily process more diverse information, such as sounds from other languages, than their older selves.&#8221;</p>
<p>• This also does not surprise me.</p>
<p>C)  And it will not surprise me if science discovers that the timeline for the development of those attributes &#8211; and others &#8211; occurs earlier &amp; earlier in the pregnancy.</p>
<p>• There is still so much more to learn, and science &#8211; discovery &#8211; will continue to influence what people think about Abortion.</p>
<p>• Which is why in the future people will probably talk about Abortion in the same way that they talk about Slavery today: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 13:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;And yet the death cult of abortion insists that the unborn have no such awareness. Or the bioethics big thinkers such as Peter Singer rationalize infanticide.&lt;/i&gt;

TBH, here, however, even Neo&#039;s own observations are blatantly subjective and strongly emotional. Humans are not great at making rational analysis in situations in which they have strong emotions. 

Not saying she is in any way wrong. Just noting that it&#039;s not necessarily reliable, even though in many many cases, I would take her own serious position as more reliable than that of many others.

However -- this study is, if accurate, an actual objective measure of such, which can and should, if accurate, constrain the point at which something like abortion can even be considered. It provides an actual objective basis for making laws. 

&lt;b&gt;And that should be how laws are made.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>And yet the death cult of abortion insists that the unborn have no such awareness. Or the bioethics big thinkers such as Peter Singer rationalize infanticide.</i></p>
<p>TBH, here, however, even Neo&#8217;s own observations are blatantly subjective and strongly emotional. Humans are not great at making rational analysis in situations in which they have strong emotions. </p>
<p>Not saying she is in any way wrong. Just noting that it&#8217;s not necessarily reliable, even though in many many cases, I would take her own serious position as more reliable than that of many others.</p>
<p>However &#8212; this study is, if accurate, an actual objective measure of such, which can and should, if accurate, constrain the point at which something like abortion can even be considered. It provides an actual objective basis for making laws. </p>
<p><b>And that should be how laws are made.</b></p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703644</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Davemay,

Wow, a Carmelite. Would she be cloistered?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davemay,</p>
<p>Wow, a Carmelite. Would she be cloistered?</p>
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		By: Mary Catelli		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703641</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Catelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Newborns recognize their mother&#039;s voices, their mother&#039;s native language, and things their mothers say often.  Also father&#039;s if he&#039;s about enough.

(They prefer them.  If you give them a pacifier, they will suck or not depending on which brings the familiar recording.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newborns recognize their mother&#8217;s voices, their mother&#8217;s native language, and things their mothers say often.  Also father&#8217;s if he&#8217;s about enough.</p>
<p>(They prefer them.  If you give them a pacifier, they will suck or not depending on which brings the familiar recording.)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 02:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My earliest memory, as I make it, was when I was 4-5 years-old. 

My sister went to one of those trendy rebirthing workshops in the 70s. As she was guided into re-experiencing her birth, she had a a terrible feeling of choking.

Later she asked our mother about her birth. Mom said, &quot;I thought you were going to die.&quot; Her birth had been one of those messy ones where the umbilical cord gets wrapped around the baby&#039;s throat.

Don&#039;t know.

I wonder whether the problem with our earliest memories is one of retrieval, not our consciousness at the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earliest memory, as I make it, was when I was 4-5 years-old. </p>
<p>My sister went to one of those trendy rebirthing workshops in the 70s. As she was guided into re-experiencing her birth, she had a a terrible feeling of choking.</p>
<p>Later she asked our mother about her birth. Mom said, &#8220;I thought you were going to die.&#8221; Her birth had been one of those messy ones where the umbilical cord gets wrapped around the baby&#8217;s throat.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the problem with our earliest memories is one of retrieval, not our consciousness at the time.</p>
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		By: jim		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703624</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for such a wonderful post Neo. Sounds to me that the scientists are studying things that are a given to most of the mom&#039;s I&#039;ve known.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such a wonderful post Neo. Sounds to me that the scientists are studying things that are a given to most of the mom&#8217;s I&#8217;ve known.</p>
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		By: Davemay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davemay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had the same experience,  Neo.  I had twins, a boy and a girl.  Almost right after birth. My son was pitching a fit, crying uncontrollably.   My daughter was looking around, observing the scene.  I got the vibe that she was very conscious. Now she is a very intellectual and spiritual young woman who is considering a life in the convent as a Carmelite. My son, no intellectual slouch, is playing college football.   I love them both dearly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same experience,  Neo.  I had twins, a boy and a girl.  Almost right after birth. My son was pitching a fit, crying uncontrollably.   My daughter was looking around, observing the scene.  I got the vibe that she was very conscious. Now she is a very intellectual and spiritual young woman who is considering a life in the convent as a Carmelite. My son, no intellectual slouch, is playing college football.   I love them both dearly.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/18/the-consciousness-of-infants/#comment-2703598</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2023 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;My son was born at around 5:30 in the morning. That afternoon, he was awake and swaddled and I was holding him in my arms. I’d had very little experience taking care of babies prior to that. He looked me right in the eye and I was stunned at the awareness I perceived there.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

I was in the room when my daughter was born and when the nurse handed her to me, she was certainly less than an hour old. I too was stunned at the awareness I perceived there and I don&#039;t care what the experts say, I know what I saw in her eyes. Perfect awareness, no thoughts, just &#039;being there&#039;. 

I suspect they &#039;tune into&#039; our thinking and they begin to adapt.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;There are more things in heaven and Earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;My son was born at around 5:30 in the morning. That afternoon, he was awake and swaddled and I was holding him in my arms. I’d had very little experience taking care of babies prior to that. He looked me right in the eye and I was stunned at the awareness I perceived there.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>I was in the room when my daughter was born and when the nurse handed her to me, she was certainly less than an hour old. I too was stunned at the awareness I perceived there and I don&#8217;t care what the experts say, I know what I saw in her eyes. Perfect awareness, no thoughts, just &#8216;being there&#8217;. </p>
<p>I suspect they &#8216;tune into&#8217; our thinking and they begin to adapt.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;There are more things in heaven and Earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, a heartwarming post and wonderful comments.

The love for our children is very deep and lasting. That such love can exist in a world that seems bent on settling our differences with violence is a wonder. Ah, that we could love our fellow humans at least a tiny bit like we love our children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a heartwarming post and wonderful comments.</p>
<p>The love for our children is very deep and lasting. That such love can exist in a world that seems bent on settling our differences with violence is a wonder. Ah, that we could love our fellow humans at least a tiny bit like we love our children.</p>
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