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		By: Sarah Rolph		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very good movie about abortion politics is Citizen Ruth. It stars Laura Dern, playing against type as the unlikeable pawn of pro- and anti- abortion activists. At a certain point, things get real and the message deepens. One of those rare movies that uses farce effectively to make a serious point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good movie about abortion politics is Citizen Ruth. It stars Laura Dern, playing against type as the unlikeable pawn of pro- and anti- abortion activists. At a certain point, things get real and the message deepens. One of those rare movies that uses farce effectively to make a serious point.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer):

Poor analogy.  

Abortions - even if you think they are a form of murder - are very different from what terrorists do, and although black woman in the US have a much higher abortion rate than white woman do, white women certainly do not shun abortion.  

As for black-on-black killings in the US, the black community overwhelmingly condemns it, as opposed to the response of cheering and applause from Palestinians for terrorist attacks against Israelis.

And read some Thomas Sowell on the idea that black people have some innate propensity for violence.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve (retired/recovering lawyer):</p>
<p>Poor analogy.  </p>
<p>Abortions &#8211; even if you think they are a form of murder &#8211; are very different from what terrorists do, and although black woman in the US have a much higher abortion rate than white woman do, white women certainly do not shun abortion.  </p>
<p>As for black-on-black killings in the US, the black community overwhelmingly condemns it, as opposed to the response of cheering and applause from Palestinians for terrorist attacks against Israelis.</p>
<p>And read some Thomas Sowell on the idea that black people have some innate propensity for violence.  </p>
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		By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/10/13/abortion-is-business-as-usual/#comment-2702873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forgive me for generalizing, but it occurs to me that I can only two major population groups currently in existence that share the same pathological behaviors and outlooks on life: American Negroes and (so-called) &quot;Palestinians&quot; (more correctly identified as a conglomeration of various Arabic-speaking moslems living in the Levantine area called &quot;Palestine&quot; as a result of of Emperor Hadrian renaming the Roman Province of Judea &quot;Syria Palaestina&quot; in his effort to blot out even the memory of those pesky Jews).  Both groups seem to hold that premeditated killing is a virtue; the Palestinians when applied to non-moslems and especially Jews, and Negroes when applied to their own offspring, both in the womb and later, especially during late adolescence and early adulthood.  In regard to Palestinians, the killing results from their pathological outlook and reliance on Islamic teachings, whereas in the Negroes, it is the result of an unreflective and visceral instinct for violence in general.  No society can persist if it adopts such views or welcomes those who hold them into its fold.  The inevitable outcome is destruction.  Can anyone persuasively disabuse me of this notion?  I would welcome examples to the contrary, inasmuch as I can think of none.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for generalizing, but it occurs to me that I can only two major population groups currently in existence that share the same pathological behaviors and outlooks on life: American Negroes and (so-called) &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; (more correctly identified as a conglomeration of various Arabic-speaking moslems living in the Levantine area called &#8220;Palestine&#8221; as a result of of Emperor Hadrian renaming the Roman Province of Judea &#8220;Syria Palaestina&#8221; in his effort to blot out even the memory of those pesky Jews).  Both groups seem to hold that premeditated killing is a virtue; the Palestinians when applied to non-moslems and especially Jews, and Negroes when applied to their own offspring, both in the womb and later, especially during late adolescence and early adulthood.  In regard to Palestinians, the killing results from their pathological outlook and reliance on Islamic teachings, whereas in the Negroes, it is the result of an unreflective and visceral instinct for violence in general.  No society can persist if it adopts such views or welcomes those who hold them into its fold.  The inevitable outcome is destruction.  Can anyone persuasively disabuse me of this notion?  I would welcome examples to the contrary, inasmuch as I can think of none.</p>
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		By: Stewball		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 09:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[America has wasted 50 years on abortion States rights will bring it to the same position as Western Europe in the next 50. By which time that will be an Islamist he’ll hole]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America has wasted 50 years on abortion States rights will bring it to the same position as Western Europe in the next 50. By which time that will be an Islamist he’ll hole</p>
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		By: Le Mot Juste		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 04:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A melancholy addendum to the grim &#039;Alfie&#039; abortion sequence is that Vivien Merchant, the accomplished actress who won multiple awards for her role as the pregnant woman, was married to playwright Harold Pinter, a flagrant philanderer whose sexploits finally drove her to alcoholism and early (53) death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A melancholy addendum to the grim &#8216;Alfie&#8217; abortion sequence is that Vivien Merchant, the accomplished actress who won multiple awards for her role as the pregnant woman, was married to playwright Harold Pinter, a flagrant philanderer whose sexploits finally drove her to alcoholism and early (53) death.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 03:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suppose when you&#039;ve had an abortion, it would indeed be &quot;so important&quot; that abortion not be a bad word. Otherwise it calls your decision into question in a very profound way.

I&#039;m lucky; I never had to decide whether to have an abortion. I had one close call - very close; I tested positive in the early stages of a relationship, and then, probably serendipitously but it made me and the man sad nonetheless, I had a miscarriage, within days of the positive test. I still don&#039;t know what I would have done if Providence hadn&#039;t taken the decision out of my hands.

I was at least supposedly using contraception. But it was a barrier method with a failure rate of up to 10% even when used perfectly, and I wasn&#039;t close to perfect - not nearly as careful as I should have been. I changed methods after that.

I suppose technically there was one other decision point in my life: when I found myself pregnant at 37, after having already had the two children my husband and I had planned. But there was never any question that that child was going to be our third, God willing, once we knew he was in the offing. 

More to the point, with both our second and third children (as I was considered &quot;elderly&quot; at that point), we turned down amniocentesis, because as my husband said, what would we change if we found out something bad? We were already in it for the whole banana peel at that point. But we were in a stable, lifelong (by intent, anyway, and now I can confirm also in fact) relationship.

I wish there were a foolproof, easy to implement way to keep women - and the men who love them - from ever having to face such a decision. No matter what Ms. Washington says or thinks, abortion takes a dreadful psychic toll on most women. But there&#039;s no such way; abstention is very hard these days, sterilization has lifelong consequences, weird sexual practices carry their own price, contraception can fail, and people&#039;s desires can be very powerful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose when you&#8217;ve had an abortion, it would indeed be &#8220;so important&#8221; that abortion not be a bad word. Otherwise it calls your decision into question in a very profound way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m lucky; I never had to decide whether to have an abortion. I had one close call &#8211; very close; I tested positive in the early stages of a relationship, and then, probably serendipitously but it made me and the man sad nonetheless, I had a miscarriage, within days of the positive test. I still don&#8217;t know what I would have done if Providence hadn&#8217;t taken the decision out of my hands.</p>
<p>I was at least supposedly using contraception. But it was a barrier method with a failure rate of up to 10% even when used perfectly, and I wasn&#8217;t close to perfect &#8211; not nearly as careful as I should have been. I changed methods after that.</p>
<p>I suppose technically there was one other decision point in my life: when I found myself pregnant at 37, after having already had the two children my husband and I had planned. But there was never any question that that child was going to be our third, God willing, once we knew he was in the offing. </p>
<p>More to the point, with both our second and third children (as I was considered &#8220;elderly&#8221; at that point), we turned down amniocentesis, because as my husband said, what would we change if we found out something bad? We were already in it for the whole banana peel at that point. But we were in a stable, lifelong (by intent, anyway, and now I can confirm also in fact) relationship.</p>
<p>I wish there were a foolproof, easy to implement way to keep women &#8211; and the men who love them &#8211; from ever having to face such a decision. No matter what Ms. Washington says or thinks, abortion takes a dreadful psychic toll on most women. But there&#8217;s no such way; abstention is very hard these days, sterilization has lifelong consequences, weird sexual practices carry their own price, contraception can fail, and people&#8217;s desires can be very powerful.</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope I am not being a bore, but I grew up on the back side of Hollywood. Lots of experiences by just standing around. I am mentioning these things to help keep the light side of life visible--if from some distance.

Soo, here is my Steve McQueen story. I could show you on a map where a major freeway cuts through the mountains by Forest Lawn(Hollywood) and Griffith Park. There was a road there that led into Hollywood. It cut through a bit of a canyon. On one side of the canyon was a gas station/garage. On the other side of the canyon up  in the hills just a little bit is where Steve McQueen lived. He used to go over to that garage and work on his cars and motorcycles. This was before he became really famous.
My high school sweetheart was a little bit like him--red hair, angular face and a passion for taking cars apart. The high school kids who were serious about &quot;hopping up&quot; their cars (1953-56) could be found at that garage working on that which was the most important thing in their lives-souped up cars. The fact that some new and upcoming movie star would drop in to work on his didn&#039;t mean anything to us, because the young and upcoming actors lived all around us--James Darren, Tab Hunter, Dale Roebertson, etc.   One day, my friend showed up outside the house in a really &quot;sweet&quot; convertible. I looked twice because both the driver and my friend looked so much alike.  After a minute of staring out the window, I realized it was in fact &quot;Steve&quot;.  He gave my friend a lift to our place because my friend couldn&#039;t get his car running in time to get home!
Maybe it was just my high school hormones, but even from that window there was something special about him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I am not being a bore, but I grew up on the back side of Hollywood. Lots of experiences by just standing around. I am mentioning these things to help keep the light side of life visible&#8211;if from some distance.</p>
<p>Soo, here is my Steve McQueen story. I could show you on a map where a major freeway cuts through the mountains by Forest Lawn(Hollywood) and Griffith Park. There was a road there that led into Hollywood. It cut through a bit of a canyon. On one side of the canyon was a gas station/garage. On the other side of the canyon up  in the hills just a little bit is where Steve McQueen lived. He used to go over to that garage and work on his cars and motorcycles. This was before he became really famous.<br />
My high school sweetheart was a little bit like him&#8211;red hair, angular face and a passion for taking cars apart. The high school kids who were serious about &#8220;hopping up&#8221; their cars (1953-56) could be found at that garage working on that which was the most important thing in their lives-souped up cars. The fact that some new and upcoming movie star would drop in to work on his didn&#8217;t mean anything to us, because the young and upcoming actors lived all around us&#8211;James Darren, Tab Hunter, Dale Roebertson, etc.   One day, my friend showed up outside the house in a really &#8220;sweet&#8221; convertible. I looked twice because both the driver and my friend looked so much alike.  After a minute of staring out the window, I realized it was in fact &#8220;Steve&#8221;.  He gave my friend a lift to our place because my friend couldn&#8217;t get his car running in time to get home!<br />
Maybe it was just my high school hormones, but even from that window there was something special about him.</p>
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		By: that guy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2023 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Using the standards and knowledge - social &#038; science - of the time we live in, there is very little chance of finding a western citizen that supports Slavery.

And many wonder how our western ancestors could have done so: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.

In the future - with different standards and knowledge - the same will probably be said of Abortion: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the standards and knowledge &#8211; social &amp; science &#8211; of the time we live in, there is very little chance of finding a western citizen that supports Slavery.</p>
<p>And many wonder how our western ancestors could have done so: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.</p>
<p>In the future &#8211; with different standards and knowledge &#8211; the same will probably be said of Abortion: How could they do that, How could they not understand, How could they believe, etc.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2023 23:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In denying the right to life of the person within... they forfeit their own claim of a right to life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In denying the right to life of the person within&#8230; they forfeit their own claim of a right to life.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2023 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jon Baker:

Thing is, some people think it&#039;s morally wrong and some people think it&#039;s not, and some people thinks it&#039;s somewhere in between depending on the reason for the pregnancy, the health of the mother, and the stage of the pregnancy.

That&#039;s why many people advocate compromise laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Baker:</p>
<p>Thing is, some people think it&#8217;s morally wrong and some people think it&#8217;s not, and some people thinks it&#8217;s somewhere in between depending on the reason for the pregnancy, the health of the mother, and the stage of the pregnancy.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why many people advocate compromise laws.</p>
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