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		By: Sailorcurt		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Neo, thanks for the reply, but I fail to grasp your point:

First of all, neither the measure that failed to pass the Senate, nor the version passed by the House, were repeals of Obamacare.  They both repealed parts and left parts - tried to have their cake and eat it too.

That&#039;s not what they promised they would do nor what we elected them to do.

Be that as it may:

&quot;Note also that McCain wasn’t alone among Republicans in voting against the measure. Collins and Murkowski joined him. However, it was McCain’s vote that counted and was purposely dramatic. Had he voted “yes,” the tally would have been 50/50 and Pence could have broken the tie.&quot;

In other words, three Republicans voted &quot;no&quot;.  The party failed us even in their milquetoast version of sort of, kind of, partly fulfilling their promises to us.  Yes, it was the Senate, not the house, but they still had those pesky &quot;R&quot;s after their names.

Trump was a breath of fresh air.  I had my reservations about him during the campaign but when he took office, he defied logic and politics by actually &lt;i&gt;trying to do what he said he was going to do&lt;/i&gt;.  Wow, what a novel approach.

I&#039;m not saying that I necessarily agree with voting third party or not voting in response to betrayal, but I can certainly understand where the people who did so were coming from.  Sometimes politics comes down to supporting the lesser of two evils, but considering the way I was raised, I&#039;m not going to condemn anyone who would prefer not to vote for any brand of evil.

And maybe a little chaos is just what&#039;s needed to remind our &quot;Representatives&quot; what that word actually means.

One can hope anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neo, thanks for the reply, but I fail to grasp your point:</p>
<p>First of all, neither the measure that failed to pass the Senate, nor the version passed by the House, were repeals of Obamacare.  They both repealed parts and left parts &#8211; tried to have their cake and eat it too.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what they promised they would do nor what we elected them to do.</p>
<p>Be that as it may:</p>
<p>&#8220;Note also that McCain wasn’t alone among Republicans in voting against the measure. Collins and Murkowski joined him. However, it was McCain’s vote that counted and was purposely dramatic. Had he voted “yes,” the tally would have been 50/50 and Pence could have broken the tie.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, three Republicans voted &#8220;no&#8221;.  The party failed us even in their milquetoast version of sort of, kind of, partly fulfilling their promises to us.  Yes, it was the Senate, not the house, but they still had those pesky &#8220;R&#8221;s after their names.</p>
<p>Trump was a breath of fresh air.  I had my reservations about him during the campaign but when he took office, he defied logic and politics by actually <i>trying to do what he said he was going to do</i>.  Wow, what a novel approach.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that I necessarily agree with voting third party or not voting in response to betrayal, but I can certainly understand where the people who did so were coming from.  Sometimes politics comes down to supporting the lesser of two evils, but considering the way I was raised, I&#8217;m not going to condemn anyone who would prefer not to vote for any brand of evil.</p>
<p>And maybe a little chaos is just what&#8217;s needed to remind our &#8220;Representatives&#8221; what that word actually means.</p>
<p>One can hope anyway.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sailorcurt:

Do you recall what happened when the GOP attempted to repeal Obamcare during Trump&#039;s first term? I do.  In case you don&#039;t, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/11/12/did-john-mccain-kill-the-house-in-november-of-2018/&quot;&gt;please read this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailorcurt:</p>
<p>Do you recall what happened when the GOP attempted to repeal Obamcare during Trump&#8217;s first term? I do.  In case you don&#8217;t, <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/11/12/did-john-mccain-kill-the-house-in-november-of-2018/">please read this</a>.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sailorcurt, I presume that you presume that Trump tried to work with Congress.
I am unaware of Trump ever trying to work with anyone.  For instance, I am trying to recall a single former Cabinet Member who is currently on good terms with him.  As I recall the first part of his Presidency was near chaos, as he took on one &quot;best ever&quot; cabinet member after another; e.g., SecDef,  and then fired them.  I am not convinced that the Executive Branch was ever stable enough to work on a coherent plan with the Congress.  Although they did pass Trump&#039;s much ballyhooed tax cuts.  (Which I never noticed.)

Although it is common for a party to lose House seats in the first mid-term; it is inescapable that during Trump&#039;s tenure the GOP lost the house. 

It is certainly convenient, but also a stretch, to blame everything on the Congress; i.e., the Leadership.  As we know, one over sized ego blames everyone but himself for everything.  A certain percentage of people, but probably not enough to win in &#039;24,  nod.  

My recurring nightmare is President Gavin (Gruesome) Newsom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailorcurt, I presume that you presume that Trump tried to work with Congress.<br />
I am unaware of Trump ever trying to work with anyone.  For instance, I am trying to recall a single former Cabinet Member who is currently on good terms with him.  As I recall the first part of his Presidency was near chaos, as he took on one &#8220;best ever&#8221; cabinet member after another; e.g., SecDef,  and then fired them.  I am not convinced that the Executive Branch was ever stable enough to work on a coherent plan with the Congress.  Although they did pass Trump&#8217;s much ballyhooed tax cuts.  (Which I never noticed.)</p>
<p>Although it is common for a party to lose House seats in the first mid-term; it is inescapable that during Trump&#8217;s tenure the GOP lost the house. </p>
<p>It is certainly convenient, but also a stretch, to blame everything on the Congress; i.e., the Leadership.  As we know, one over sized ego blames everyone but himself for everything.  A certain percentage of people, but probably not enough to win in &#8217;24,  nod.  </p>
<p>My recurring nightmare is President Gavin (Gruesome) Newsom.</p>
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		By: Sailorcurt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 15:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’ve just recounted the sum total of times Republicans have been in control of Congress and the presidency since the days of Hoover.&quot;


And I would submit that this is the very reason that when Trump had majorities in both houses of congress for the first two years of his presidency, those of us who put them there had a high expectation that they would take advantage of those majorities and do some of the things they&#039;d been promising they were going to do for years....not the least of which was repeal Obamacare.

Yea, yea...I know...&quot;what were they going to replace it with?&quot;.  In the words of the immortal Thomas Sowell &quot;When the fire department puts out a house fire, what do they replace it with?&quot;

But I digress.  

A major reason that the GOP lost seats in the midterm two years into Trump&#039;s Presidency is BECAUSE they did not fulfill their promises.  They just expected us to keep electing them because...well...what other choice do we have right?

To add fuel to the fire, not only did they fail miserably to live up to their campaign promises, a goodly number of them were actively working to undermine the President that we elected so overwhelmingly, even the Democrat cheat machine couldn&#039;t overcome the margin.  So of course they lost control in the midterms, the base was so disheartened, a significant number didn&#039;t even bother voting, or voted third party to avoid casting another ballot into the void of GOP broken promises.

And that&#039;s what we&#039;re still facing.  The establishment GOP that would much prefer to be the minority party so they can feed at the trough while maintaining their plausible deniability &quot;we can&#039;t do anything because we&#039;re in the minority&quot;.

I&#039;m not losing any sleep over &quot;chaos&quot; in the ranks of the party who refuse to do what they get elected do to and actively work to undermine a President of their own party who was duly elected by the people they are supposed to be representing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve just recounted the sum total of times Republicans have been in control of Congress and the presidency since the days of Hoover.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I would submit that this is the very reason that when Trump had majorities in both houses of congress for the first two years of his presidency, those of us who put them there had a high expectation that they would take advantage of those majorities and do some of the things they&#8217;d been promising they were going to do for years&#8230;.not the least of which was repeal Obamacare.</p>
<p>Yea, yea&#8230;I know&#8230;&#8221;what were they going to replace it with?&#8221;.  In the words of the immortal Thomas Sowell &#8220;When the fire department puts out a house fire, what do they replace it with?&#8221;</p>
<p>But I digress.  </p>
<p>A major reason that the GOP lost seats in the midterm two years into Trump&#8217;s Presidency is BECAUSE they did not fulfill their promises.  They just expected us to keep electing them because&#8230;well&#8230;what other choice do we have right?</p>
<p>To add fuel to the fire, not only did they fail miserably to live up to their campaign promises, a goodly number of them were actively working to undermine the President that we elected so overwhelmingly, even the Democrat cheat machine couldn&#8217;t overcome the margin.  So of course they lost control in the midterms, the base was so disheartened, a significant number didn&#8217;t even bother voting, or voted third party to avoid casting another ballot into the void of GOP broken promises.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re still facing.  The establishment GOP that would much prefer to be the minority party so they can feed at the trough while maintaining their plausible deniability &#8220;we can&#8217;t do anything because we&#8217;re in the minority&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not losing any sleep over &#8220;chaos&#8221; in the ranks of the party who refuse to do what they get elected do to and actively work to undermine a President of their own party who was duly elected by the people they are supposed to be representing.</p>
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		By: BJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or as Bugs Bunny put it: “Don’t take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as Bugs Bunny put it: “Don’t take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.”</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why do people move to MT--VIEWS, WILDERNESS, OPEN SPACE, EASY ACCESS TO MILLIONS OF ACRES OF OUTDOOR EXPERIENCES. The vat majority of people who move here end up working far below their skills/education levels.  They do no move here to play host to tourists who want to wading the ocean.  WE HAVE SNOW. Last winter we had temperatures nearly -30f in some areas. Idaho&#039;s wilderness, outdoor opportunity areas is much smaller than ours. When people think of Idaho the idea of liberty and guns comes to mind immediately. I do not believe that is what people are thinking about when they move here. Though we have the same laws and attitudes regarding guns. Our cowboys have always been a little more reserved and a little better educated!  

P.S. FWIW   I just got a third phone call from a Mexican/Spanish caller wanting to list my property. Interesting that my neighbor hires many illegal Mexican workers, so I am assuming the awareness of our property and these calls are coming from that illegal Mexican group!  I the or anyone like him calls me again I will file a harassment claim with the Republican AG. The local DA won&#039;t do anything he/she wants everyone else to give away what they have to make her/him feel good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people move to MT&#8211;VIEWS, WILDERNESS, OPEN SPACE, EASY ACCESS TO MILLIONS OF ACRES OF OUTDOOR EXPERIENCES. The vat majority of people who move here end up working far below their skills/education levels.  They do no move here to play host to tourists who want to wading the ocean.  WE HAVE SNOW. Last winter we had temperatures nearly -30f in some areas. Idaho&#8217;s wilderness, outdoor opportunity areas is much smaller than ours. When people think of Idaho the idea of liberty and guns comes to mind immediately. I do not believe that is what people are thinking about when they move here. Though we have the same laws and attitudes regarding guns. Our cowboys have always been a little more reserved and a little better educated!  </p>
<p>P.S. FWIW   I just got a third phone call from a Mexican/Spanish caller wanting to list my property. Interesting that my neighbor hires many illegal Mexican workers, so I am assuming the awareness of our property and these calls are coming from that illegal Mexican group!  I the or anyone like him calls me again I will file a harassment claim with the Republican AG. The local DA won&#8217;t do anything he/she wants everyone else to give away what they have to make her/him feel good.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 19:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley and IrishOtter49,

Jordan Peterson put it very succinctly:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Life is a sexually transmitted disease.
And it&#039;s fatal.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley and IrishOtter49,</p>
<p>Jordan Peterson put it very succinctly:<br />
<i>&#8220;Life is a sexually transmitted disease.<br />
And it&#8217;s fatal.&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another Pyro.  Baby and bathwater to go with your rebirth theme.

I used &lt;b&gt;had&lt;/b&gt; intentionally.  

The Republicans, whom Pyros may loathe more than Democrats(?) have a tiny margin controlling the House.  Nancy and her minions will gladly take that away.  How&#039;s them apples?  Or just burn it all down?

Rep. Blue Balls doesn&#039;t make the serious threshold, as he had no plan beyond his One Simple Trick; to vote with all the Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Pyro.  Baby and bathwater to go with your rebirth theme.</p>
<p>I used <b>had</b> intentionally.  </p>
<p>The Republicans, whom Pyros may loathe more than Democrats(?) have a tiny margin controlling the House.  Nancy and her minions will gladly take that away.  How&#8217;s them apples?  Or just burn it all down?</p>
<p>Rep. Blue Balls doesn&#8217;t make the serious threshold, as he had no plan beyond his One Simple Trick; to vote with all the Democrats.</p>
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		By: James S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bear in mind that all of the ex-Confederate states were heavily Democratic from the Civil War until at least a hundred years later, making for an uneasy alliance within that party, since most of these southerners were much more socially conservative than liberal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that all of the ex-Confederate states were heavily Democratic from the Civil War until at least a hundred years later, making for an uneasy alliance within that party, since most of these southerners were much more socially conservative than liberal.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Who controls the Senate? Democrats. The House was all the Republicans had.&quot;

If the applecart doesn&#039;t deliver any apples, is it still an &lt;i&gt;apple&lt;/i&gt; cart?

&quot;Oh, no! Don&#039;t upset the applecart, it&#039;s all we have!&quot;

At a certain point, don&#039;t you have to wreck the thing that pretends to be an applecart so that you at least realize that you don&#039;t have one and can begin to begin again?

Before we can get serious people seated, the unserious ones have to be unseated. The pretending has to end before we can even see the enormity of the problem.

A rebirth is needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who controls the Senate? Democrats. The House was all the Republicans had.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the applecart doesn&#8217;t deliver any apples, is it still an <i>apple</i> cart?</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, no! Don&#8217;t upset the applecart, it&#8217;s all we have!&#8221;</p>
<p>At a certain point, don&#8217;t you have to wreck the thing that pretends to be an applecart so that you at least realize that you don&#8217;t have one and can begin to begin again?</p>
<p>Before we can get serious people seated, the unserious ones have to be unseated. The pretending has to end before we can even see the enormity of the problem.</p>
<p>A rebirth is needed.</p>
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