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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 12:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time for Republican prosecutors and judges to step up charges against all liberals.

We are not in the good old days of a constitutional republic, and need to act accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for Republican prosecutors and judges to step up charges against all liberals.</p>
<p>We are not in the good old days of a constitutional republic, and need to act accordingly.</p>
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		By: JWD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JWD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 12:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In your first year of law school it is made clear that most torts (e.g., negligence) require damages to be actionable.   In New York common law fraud requires damages as well, but Trump is special: 

https://www.pitcofflawgroup.com/blog/the-elements-of-fraud-in-new-york-a-guide/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your first year of law school it is made clear that most torts (e.g., negligence) require damages to be actionable.   In New York common law fraud requires damages as well, but Trump is special: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.pitcofflawgroup.com/blog/the-elements-of-fraud-in-new-york-a-guide/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.pitcofflawgroup.com/blog/the-elements-of-fraud-in-new-york-a-guide/</a></p>
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		By: Links and Comments &#124; Rockport Conservatives		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 02:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Trump fraud case highlights the use of a broad law in novel ways to target Trump and only Trump [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Trump fraud case highlights the use of a broad law in novel ways to target Trump and only Trump [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite, the problem with McCarthy&#039;s analysis (and often Turley&#039;s, come to think of it) when describing the various lawsuits and criminal charges against President Trump is that they have some basis in reality.

We have entered the non-reality phase of the country, where an exaggeration=lie=fraud. A man can have a vagina. A woman can have a penis, etc., etc., etc. The left has so twisted accepted definitions of so much of our language as to make the Humpty Dumpty blush.

This deserves scorn, not anything approaching how McCarthy writes about the case.

As to the 200% figure, according to what McCarthy wrote Trump overstated the size of his apartment closer to 300%. 

By the way, has anyone asked President Trump how he could claim his apartment was 30,000 sq ft?

How many years has President Trump overstated the valuations of his properties? 20 years? 30 years? 40 years? Why are they attempting to put him out of business now? 

President Trump could have ridden off the world stage and would have probably been left alone. Thankfully he&#039;s had the courage to highlight the utter corruption of our political system. We are seeing first-hand the corruption in our electoral system, corruption in our political system, and corruption in our legal system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite, the problem with McCarthy&#8217;s analysis (and often Turley&#8217;s, come to think of it) when describing the various lawsuits and criminal charges against President Trump is that they have some basis in reality.</p>
<p>We have entered the non-reality phase of the country, where an exaggeration=lie=fraud. A man can have a vagina. A woman can have a penis, etc., etc., etc. The left has so twisted accepted definitions of so much of our language as to make the Humpty Dumpty blush.</p>
<p>This deserves scorn, not anything approaching how McCarthy writes about the case.</p>
<p>As to the 200% figure, according to what McCarthy wrote Trump overstated the size of his apartment closer to 300%. </p>
<p>By the way, has anyone asked President Trump how he could claim his apartment was 30,000 sq ft?</p>
<p>How many years has President Trump overstated the valuations of his properties? 20 years? 30 years? 40 years? Why are they attempting to put him out of business now? </p>
<p>President Trump could have ridden off the world stage and would have probably been left alone. Thankfully he&#8217;s had the courage to highlight the utter corruption of our political system. We are seeing first-hand the corruption in our electoral system, corruption in our political system, and corruption in our legal system.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J.:
Thank you for your sound and lucid comment, just above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.:<br />
Thank you for your sound and lucid comment, just above.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I so often do, I agree with J.J. (2:36 p.m.).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I so often do, I agree with J.J. (2:36 p.m.).</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite, your TDS is showing.

The values stated in the article may or may not be accurate. The judge is saying they weren&#039;t accurate. Okay, show us where the lenders were harmed. 

Fraud - &quot;Fraud is an intentionally deceptive action designed to provide the perpetrator with an unlawful gain or to deny a right to a victim.&quot;  

Where is the victim in this case???? Did the lenders not do their due diligence in examining the property values? What the judge is saying is that the lenders were wrong (either stupidly or carelessly) to lend money to the Trump organization even though they never lost a dime. There is no wrongdoing.

You may consider inflating one&#039;s estimates of their net worth as a bad thing, but it&#039;s not a CRIME!! Oh, unless some AG and partisan judge decide to make it a crime.  

You&#039;re letting your hatred of Trump bias your judgement about this case. 

I have dabbled in real; estate investing over the years. Most lenders want at least two appraisals of property that you want to borrow money on.  And I never got to pick the appraisers. My loans were mere pittances compared to the Trump organization. Yet, the lenders did their due diligence.  If they don&#039;t do so, they will soon have a portfolio of bad loans and be out of business.  

Had Trump stiffed a lender, the lender would have gone after him in court as the AG is now doing. That didn&#039;t happen.  Get it through your head - there is no crime involved in this case. It&#039;s a fictitious case made up by partisan legal beagles. It should rightly put all of us, you included, in fear of such a perverted justice system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite, your TDS is showing.</p>
<p>The values stated in the article may or may not be accurate. The judge is saying they weren&#8217;t accurate. Okay, show us where the lenders were harmed. </p>
<p>Fraud &#8211; &#8220;Fraud is an intentionally deceptive action designed to provide the perpetrator with an unlawful gain or to deny a right to a victim.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Where is the victim in this case???? Did the lenders not do their due diligence in examining the property values? What the judge is saying is that the lenders were wrong (either stupidly or carelessly) to lend money to the Trump organization even though they never lost a dime. There is no wrongdoing.</p>
<p>You may consider inflating one&#8217;s estimates of their net worth as a bad thing, but it&#8217;s not a CRIME!! Oh, unless some AG and partisan judge decide to make it a crime.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re letting your hatred of Trump bias your judgement about this case. </p>
<p>I have dabbled in real; estate investing over the years. Most lenders want at least two appraisals of property that you want to borrow money on.  And I never got to pick the appraisers. My loans were mere pittances compared to the Trump organization. Yet, the lenders did their due diligence.  If they don&#8217;t do so, they will soon have a portfolio of bad loans and be out of business.  </p>
<p>Had Trump stiffed a lender, the lender would have gone after him in court as the AG is now doing. That didn&#8217;t happen.  Get it through your head &#8211; there is no crime involved in this case. It&#8217;s a fictitious case made up by partisan legal beagles. It should rightly put all of us, you included, in fear of such a perverted justice system.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Property values in Palm Beach are crazy. Here is a story from 15 years ago. This property is not far from Trumps estate.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/business/2008/05/14/donald-trump-snares-100-million/7576543007/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property values in Palm Beach are crazy. Here is a story from 15 years ago. This property is not far from Trumps estate.<br />
<a href="https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/business/2008/05/14/donald-trump-snares-100-million/7576543007/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/business/2008/05/14/donald-trump-snares-100-million/7576543007/</a></p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E and Abraxas - It&#039;s all in the McCarthy article that neo linked, including the square footage overestimation and the reason that the Mar-a-Lago valuation was off. These are not small differences or insignificant puffery. 

From neo&#039;s McCarthy link: 


&quot;Engoron finds that, between 2014 and 2021, Trump and his co-defendants overvalued assets by between $812 million and $2.2 billion. And some of the whoppers are jaw-dropping. Trump overstated the 10,996 square feet of his Trump Tower apartment as 30,000 square feet — a 200% inflation that had him pegging its worth as $327 million, at a time when the highest sale for a comparable New York luxury triplex on record was $88 million. A Westchester golf club, appraised over the years at no more (and usually much less) than $56.6 million, was valued in Trump’s SFCs at between $261 million and $291 million — a mark-up of more than 400%. At his Aberdeen property, the Scottish authorities gave him authorization to develop 500 residential homes; Trump’s SFCs listed the number as 2,035, overstating value by £164 million. And so on.

In railing over Engoron’s ruling, Trump and his defenders ridicule the court’s valuation of his prime Palm Beach property, Mar-a-Lago, at a mere $18 million. But — and I know this will shock you — Trump’s account is misleading. The comparatively low value (actually, between $18 million and $27.6 million, computed by objective appraisers, not Engoron) is owed to Mar-a-Lago’s being encumbered by severe use restrictions — e.g., Trump agreed it would be a club, not fully developed beachfront residences. 

This won him valuable tax breaks but drastically limited Mar-a-Lago’s market value. Trump knew the objectively appraised value, yet listed Mar-a-Lago on his SFCs at between $425.5 million and $612 million. Though Trump presented an expert who dubiously speculated that the property could be worth $1.5 billion, the law required properties to be valued in accordance with their known restrictions. Engoron is not saying Mar-a-Lago, if sold free and clear, is worth only $18 million; he is saying that Trump inflated what it was worth under existing encumbrances by 2,300%.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E and Abraxas &#8211; It&#8217;s all in the McCarthy article that neo linked, including the square footage overestimation and the reason that the Mar-a-Lago valuation was off. These are not small differences or insignificant puffery. </p>
<p>From neo&#8217;s McCarthy link: </p>
<p>&#8220;Engoron finds that, between 2014 and 2021, Trump and his co-defendants overvalued assets by between $812 million and $2.2 billion. And some of the whoppers are jaw-dropping. Trump overstated the 10,996 square feet of his Trump Tower apartment as 30,000 square feet — a 200% inflation that had him pegging its worth as $327 million, at a time when the highest sale for a comparable New York luxury triplex on record was $88 million. A Westchester golf club, appraised over the years at no more (and usually much less) than $56.6 million, was valued in Trump’s SFCs at between $261 million and $291 million — a mark-up of more than 400%. At his Aberdeen property, the Scottish authorities gave him authorization to develop 500 residential homes; Trump’s SFCs listed the number as 2,035, overstating value by £164 million. And so on.</p>
<p>In railing over Engoron’s ruling, Trump and his defenders ridicule the court’s valuation of his prime Palm Beach property, Mar-a-Lago, at a mere $18 million. But — and I know this will shock you — Trump’s account is misleading. The comparatively low value (actually, between $18 million and $27.6 million, computed by objective appraisers, not Engoron) is owed to Mar-a-Lago’s being encumbered by severe use restrictions — e.g., Trump agreed it would be a club, not fully developed beachfront residences. </p>
<p>This won him valuable tax breaks but drastically limited Mar-a-Lago’s market value. Trump knew the objectively appraised value, yet listed Mar-a-Lago on his SFCs at between $425.5 million and $612 million. Though Trump presented an expert who dubiously speculated that the property could be worth $1.5 billion, the law required properties to be valued in accordance with their known restrictions. Engoron is not saying Mar-a-Lago, if sold free and clear, is worth only $18 million; he is saying that Trump inflated what it was worth under existing encumbrances by 2,300%.&#8221;</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this is a criminal abuse of legal authority, I&#039;d vote for any of the top three, but this exercise shows how close we are to the dissolution of the Republic, are there somethings I wish he didn&#039;t say, probably, how does that balance against a planned demolition of the rule of law, that up to 10 senators enabled, not merely
Garland but cop killer fan Kristen Clarke and Lisa Monaco,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a criminal abuse of legal authority, I&#8217;d vote for any of the top three, but this exercise shows how close we are to the dissolution of the Republic, are there somethings I wish he didn&#8217;t say, probably, how does that balance against a planned demolition of the rule of law, that up to 10 senators enabled, not merely<br />
Garland but cop killer fan Kristen Clarke and Lisa Monaco,</p>
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