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		By: Jeff Cox		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699878</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om,

Evidently you spent 2020 watching MSNBC and believing it. I better get out the real thick toddler crayons for you.

In the wake of the riots, Donald Trump tried to declare Antifa and BLM terrorist groups. He got massive resistance from Democrats and little support from the Republican establishment. 

In the wake of an unprecedented biological attack on the US by China, Trump listened to federal health officials, who were lying to him. He got similarly poor advice from Democrats. And little countering advice from the Republican establishment. 

But 2020 is all Trump’s fault. Right. 

BTW: Trump did win the 2020 POTUS election, absent the massive vote fraud in Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Atlanta. Which followed the Lake County, Indiana playbook page by page.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om,</p>
<p>Evidently you spent 2020 watching MSNBC and believing it. I better get out the real thick toddler crayons for you.</p>
<p>In the wake of the riots, Donald Trump tried to declare Antifa and BLM terrorist groups. He got massive resistance from Democrats and little support from the Republican establishment. </p>
<p>In the wake of an unprecedented biological attack on the US by China, Trump listened to federal health officials, who were lying to him. He got similarly poor advice from Democrats. And little countering advice from the Republican establishment. </p>
<p>But 2020 is all Trump’s fault. Right. </p>
<p>BTW: Trump did win the 2020 POTUS election, absent the massive vote fraud in Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Atlanta. Which followed the Lake County, Indiana playbook page by page.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699816</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2023 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeff Cox:

You must use crayons by default; President Trump did some very good things but screwed the pooch in 2020.   Not just the election, the whole F&#039;en year.  He let the left set the rules and the narrative.  George Floyd riots, Portland, Seattle, the totally ineffective response to election fortification.  On his watch.  

Got that?  Clear enough?  

I voted for him in 2020 and will vote for him in 2024 if that is the option.  Nonetheless &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; didn&#039;t beat Brandon in 2020.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Cox:</p>
<p>You must use crayons by default; President Trump did some very good things but screwed the pooch in 2020.   Not just the election, the whole F&#8217;en year.  He let the left set the rules and the narrative.  George Floyd riots, Portland, Seattle, the totally ineffective response to election fortification.  On his watch.  </p>
<p>Got that?  Clear enough?  </p>
<p>I voted for him in 2020 and will vote for him in 2024 if that is the option.  Nonetheless <b>he</b> didn&#8217;t beat Brandon in 2020.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 23:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the military, when I was in, mass punishment was not allowed.  That is, you didn&#039;t punish a unit for the shortcomings of one or more individuals.
When a unit did not perform up to spec--this is not in a combat situation--then possibly there may be no passes this weekend, while you losers figure out how to do better next time.
But not because one or two misbehaved.  It wouldn&#039;t be analogous to Neo&#039;s third grade.
However, there is a kind of gray area where it is presumed that there are internal mechanisms where responsible members can lean on the losers.  Might work, might not.  And the threat to the responsible majority of...no passes this weekend might be a motivation.  Or, perhaps, there is some education.  Guys need to go over the call for fire.  Or land navigation.  Can be done during quiet time, quick class on the subject by a guy who&#039;s good at it.

So, if the nation &quot;deserves&quot; it, I suppose it would be a matter of blaming the Trump folks for not defeating anti-Trumpism in the general electorate.  More discussion.  Show up at meetings.  Speak up.  Watch the voting locations.  While I wouldn&#039;t like to think I &quot;deserve&quot; whatever happens, I might have contributed one more mite to the issue, to some profit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the military, when I was in, mass punishment was not allowed.  That is, you didn&#8217;t punish a unit for the shortcomings of one or more individuals.<br />
When a unit did not perform up to spec&#8211;this is not in a combat situation&#8211;then possibly there may be no passes this weekend, while you losers figure out how to do better next time.<br />
But not because one or two misbehaved.  It wouldn&#8217;t be analogous to Neo&#8217;s third grade.<br />
However, there is a kind of gray area where it is presumed that there are internal mechanisms where responsible members can lean on the losers.  Might work, might not.  And the threat to the responsible majority of&#8230;no passes this weekend might be a motivation.  Or, perhaps, there is some education.  Guys need to go over the call for fire.  Or land navigation.  Can be done during quiet time, quick class on the subject by a guy who&#8217;s good at it.</p>
<p>So, if the nation &#8220;deserves&#8221; it, I suppose it would be a matter of blaming the Trump folks for not defeating anti-Trumpism in the general electorate.  More discussion.  Show up at meetings.  Speak up.  Watch the voting locations.  While I wouldn&#8217;t like to think I &#8220;deserve&#8221; whatever happens, I might have contributed one more mite to the issue, to some profit.</p>
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		By: Jeff Cox		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om,

You miss the point like an imperial stormtrooper misses the target. Let me put this in terms even you can understand:

The people who voted for Trump in the general, regardless of their motivations (is that too many syllables for you to process?), are not to blame for his not being in the White House. Those people who did not vote for Trump, especially those Republicans who did not vote for him, are indeed to blame.

Now, is that sufficiently clear, or do I have to get the crayons out for you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om,</p>
<p>You miss the point like an imperial stormtrooper misses the target. Let me put this in terms even you can understand:</p>
<p>The people who voted for Trump in the general, regardless of their motivations (is that too many syllables for you to process?), are not to blame for his not being in the White House. Those people who did not vote for Trump, especially those Republicans who did not vote for him, are indeed to blame.</p>
<p>Now, is that sufficiently clear, or do I have to get the crayons out for you?</p>
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		By: that guy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[that guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 19:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Unfortunately, DeSantis comes across as too much of a cold fish to stir much passion in people. I still think he’d do a great job.&quot;  &quot;It is highly likely that Trump will be the nominee. Sure, I think that DeSantis would do a better job of governing. &quot;

• Manager and Executive are two different roles.

• DeSantis will not be the first or last example of that point.

• Others may not evaluate DeSantis the same way some of us do - Distraction, Doctrine, Plan, Command Presence, etc. - but many have come to the same conclusion (see support).

• That does not mean that DeSantis can not end up being the Republican nominee - we will regret how that outcome was achieved (see ballot &#038; lawfare efforts) - but even those of us who are willing to support the Republican nominee will not be enough for DeSantis to win the general election.

• DeSantis will go down in history as an example of a young politician that squandered his political future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, DeSantis comes across as too much of a cold fish to stir much passion in people. I still think he’d do a great job.&#8221;  &#8220;It is highly likely that Trump will be the nominee. Sure, I think that DeSantis would do a better job of governing. &#8221;</p>
<p>• Manager and Executive are two different roles.</p>
<p>• DeSantis will not be the first or last example of that point.</p>
<p>• Others may not evaluate DeSantis the same way some of us do &#8211; Distraction, Doctrine, Plan, Command Presence, etc. &#8211; but many have come to the same conclusion (see support).</p>
<p>• That does not mean that DeSantis can not end up being the Republican nominee &#8211; we will regret how that outcome was achieved (see ballot &amp; lawfare efforts) &#8211; but even those of us who are willing to support the Republican nominee will not be enough for DeSantis to win the general election.</p>
<p>• DeSantis will go down in history as an example of a young politician that squandered his political future.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whendy Brown:

Those &quot;people&quot; are in your mirror.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whendy Brown:</p>
<p>Those &#8220;people&#8221; are in your mirror.</p>
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		By: Jeff Cox		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ms. Neo,

And my point is, in this case, you can’t separate the two. Put another way, the idea of “group blame” in the case of Trump can’t be considered in isolation from the reasons Trump was elected in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Neo,</p>
<p>And my point is, in this case, you can’t separate the two. Put another way, the idea of “group blame” in the case of Trump can’t be considered in isolation from the reasons Trump was elected in the first place.</p>
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		By: Wendy Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 13:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Jeff Cox said at 8:10 pm and his following comments.  People just don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jeff Cox said at 8:10 pm and his following comments.  People just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		By: Bruce Hayden		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Hayden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 12:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“And if Trump is not the nominee, and a significant segment of his supporters in the GOP as well as some independents decide to not support the eventual GOP nominee, do they also “deserve Joe Biden and his open borders”?”

Silly hypothetical. It is highly likely that Trump will be the nominee. Sure, I think that DeSantis would do a better job of governing. My question is rather how much of the blame for FJB and his disastrous Administration should fall on the GOPe and Never Trumpers, who actively tried to sabotage his election and Administration? And even more, the damage that another Biden Administration would do to this country?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“And if Trump is not the nominee, and a significant segment of his supporters in the GOP as well as some independents decide to not support the eventual GOP nominee, do they also “deserve Joe Biden and his open borders”?”</p>
<p>Silly hypothetical. It is highly likely that Trump will be the nominee. Sure, I think that DeSantis would do a better job of governing. My question is rather how much of the blame for FJB and his disastrous Administration should fall on the GOPe and Never Trumpers, who actively tried to sabotage his election and Administration? And even more, the damage that another Biden Administration would do to this country?</p>
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		By: Jordan Rivers		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/22/who-deserves-it/#comment-2699714</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Rivers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2023 06:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And the blame for a Trump loss and its consequences falls on &lt;s&gt;them as well&lt;/s&gt; those who don&#039;t vote for him.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the blame for a Trump loss and its consequences falls on <s>them as well</s> those who don&#8217;t vote for him.&#8221;</p>
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